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[Ballerhogger]

I think Brown for Simmons should be explored more. Celtics team looks nice for Simmons IMO ad they've loaded up on a number of players at SG/SF.

What would make up the difference between Brown and Simmons? Is it a straight swap?

Does Marcus smart and others fit the 76ers ? I’ll look into it but Boston doesn’t need Ben as 2nd option. Marcus + Richardson by the dec 15 is close money add another player 2 first rounders from Boston? I mean it’s never going happen since they are rivals .

[zimpy27]

I think Brown for Simmons should be explored more. Celtics team looks nice for Simmons IMO ad they've loaded up on a number of players at SG/SF.

What would make up the difference between Brown and Simmons? Is it a straight swap?

Does Marcus smart and others fit the 76ers ? I’ll look into it but Boston doesn’t need Ben as 2nd option. Marcus + Richardson by the dec 15 is close money add another player 2 first rounders from Boston? I mean it’s never going happen since they are rivals .

Nah they wouldn't take a package like that from anyone in the East. If they are moving him in the East it's for a guy like Brown.

[Ballerhogger]

I think Brown for Simmons should be explored more. Celtics team looks nice for Simmons IMO ad they've loaded up on a number of players at SG/SF.

What would make up the difference between Brown and Simmons? Is it a straight swap?

Does Marcus smart and others fit the 76ers ? I’ll look into it but Boston doesn’t need Ben as 2nd option. Marcus + Richardson by the dec 15 is close money add another player 2 first rounders from Boston? I mean it’s never going happen since they are rivals .

Nah they wouldn't take a package like that from anyone in the East. If they are moving him in the East it's for a guy like Brown.

oh well … magic want him?

[Dat2U]

Bertans, KCP, Avdija for Simmons?

[babyjax13]

Bertans, KCP, Avdija for Simmons?

I don't think that's close.

[JimmyPlopper]

Formal warning issued. Neither of these are productive responses.

And that's a 2nd and a timeout. I mean I defended you already so there was no need for your responses and then doing this to a mod isn't the way.

Haha on this one we are going to disagree. Feel free to PM me for additional information.

[JimmyPlopper]

Fans have started to lower their value of him but teams haven't. The boards valuation has started to become unhinged. It would only be fair to Philly for mishandling a priceless asset, but given that Morey is at the helm, I don't see a major ripoff forthcoming.

[gambitx777]

Bertans, KCP, Avdija for Simmons?

I don't think that's close.

It's not close, as a wizards fan I wouldn't trade deni for Simmons.
The wizards shouldn't touch Simmons with a 10 foot. For many reasonsg one being the teams done a good job rebuilding culture and maturity. They have a lot of young players and I don't see Tommy Sheppard going to a fool's gold home run. Ben Simmons has too many issues imo, I've said it a thousand times. The wiz have to keep Beal happy I don't think bringing in an self important, immature, drama queen like Simmons helps the wiz do that.

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[zimpy27]

Bertans, KCP, Avdija for Simmons?

I don't think that's close.

It's not close, as a wizards fan I wouldn't trade deni for Simmons.
The wizards shouldn't touch Simmons with a 10 foot. For many reasonsg one being the teams done a good job rebuilding culture and maturity. They have a lot of young players and I don't see Tommy Sheppard going to a fool's gold home run. Ben Simmons has too many issues imo, I've said it a thousand times. The wiz have to keep Beal happy I don't think bringing in an self important, immature, drama queen like Simmons helps the wiz do that.

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I give Avdija a 0.1% chance of ever being as good as or better than Simmons.

[zimpy27]

Simmons+Thybulle for Brown+Schroeder+Juancho

Schroeder, Maxey, Brown, Harris, Embiid -- Curry, Green, Korkmaz, Niang, Drummond -- Springer, Joe, Milton, Juancho, Reed

Pritchard, Thybulle, Tatum, Simmons, Horford -- Smart, Romeo, J-Rich, Parker, RW3 -- Edwards, Nesmith, GWill, Bruno, Kanter

[gambitx777]

I don't think that's close.

It's not close, as a wizards fan I wouldn't trade deni for Simmons.
The wizards shouldn't touch Simmons with a 10 foot. For many reasonsg one being the teams done a good job rebuilding culture and maturity. They have a lot of young players and I don't see Tommy Sheppard going to a fool's gold home run. Ben Simmons has too many issues imo, I've said it a thousand times. The wiz have to keep Beal happy I don't think bringing in an self important, immature, drama queen like Simmons helps the wiz do that.

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I give Avdija a 0.1% chance of ever being as good as or better than Simmons.

I'll take that bet. Because I have a good feeling bens never gonna be as good as people want him to be. I'm not gonna argue he's the better player but he's definitely the same type of player as Ben and he's much much cheaper, he will shoot and he doesn't have the other issues. I'll keep deni


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[Darthlukey]

I think Brown for Simmons should be explored more. Celtics team looks nice for Simmons IMO ad they've loaded up on a number of players at SG/SF.

What would make up the difference between Brown and Simmons? Is it a straight swap?

I wouldn't want to break up the 2 Jays for a shot at Simmons. And we cant afford him without doing that, so I would pass personally

[JimmyPlopper]

I think Brown for Simmons should be explored more. Celtics team looks nice for Simmons IMO ad they've loaded up on a number of players at SG/SF.

What would make up the difference between Brown and Simmons? Is it a straight swap?

I wouldn't want to break up the 2 Jays for a shot at Simmons. And we cant afford him without doing that, so I would pass personally

The two Jays are very good in their own right, respectively, but there are a number of measures that would suggest they don't necessarily have great synergy between them. If you could find someone to further empower one of the Jays in a trade while not dropping off in talent too much I would be tempted to go for it.

[Darthlukey]

I think Brown for Simmons should be explored more. Celtics team looks nice for Simmons IMO ad they've loaded up on a number of players at SG/SF.

What would make up the difference between Brown and Simmons? Is it a straight swap?

I wouldn't want to break up the 2 Jays for a shot at Simmons. And we cant afford him without doing that, so I would pass personally

The two Jays are very good in their own right, respectively, but there are a number of measures that would suggest they don't necessarily have great synergy between them. If you could find someone to further empower one of the Jays in a trade while not dropping off in talent too much I would be tempted to go for it.

I know there is no way it happens, but what I would love to see is Simmons empowering both the Jays. That switching and versatility would be magic

[zimpy27]

I wouldn't want to break up the 2 Jays for a shot at Simmons. And we cant afford him without doing that, so I would pass personally

The two Jays are very good in their own right, respectively, but there are a number of measures that would suggest they don't necessarily have great synergy between them. If you could find someone to further empower one of the Jays in a trade while not dropping off in talent too much I would be tempted to go for it.

I know there is no way it happens, but what I would love to see is Simmons empowering both the Jays. That switching and versatility would be magic

I remember Simmons and Horford looked really great together. So I'd be keen to see that combination with Tatum.

Would be great to see Brown as well but I feel like Tatum-Simmons-Horford would be a great trio.

[jbk1234]

I think Brown for Simmons should be explored more. Celtics team looks nice for Simmons IMO ad they've loaded up on a number of players at SG/SF.

What would make up the difference between Brown and Simmons? Is it a straight swap?

I wouldn't want to break up the 2 Jays for a shot at Simmons. And we cant afford him without doing that, so I would pass personally

The two Jays are very good in their own right, respectively, but there are a number of measures that would suggest they don't necessarily have great synergy between them. If you could find someone to further empower one of the Jays in a trade while not dropping off in talent too much I would be tempted to go for it.

Brown is a much more dynamic player than Simmons and is on a better contract. I can't see the Celtics being remotely interested.

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[jbk1234]

Simmons wins a massive number of games

No reason for the Sixers to give him away for players who don’t win a thing

Yeah there is. He wants out. His agent says he's not reporting. Teams aren't offering much because they know the situation and how poorly he finished in the playoffs.

Philly can string this out as long as they like since Simmons is still under contract but it's silly to think the value gets any better.

You’re right on most of these beyond the last sentence. The basic obvious strategy isn’t to hope Simmons’ value increases but rather that the willingness/desire to trade for him increases. There will be teams that disappoint or aren’t coming out like they’re expecting to in a few months; maybe those teams need a talent upgrade then more than they think they do now, maybe someone sees that their plan isn’t working and they need playmaking and defense. Even if not and the Sixers don’t get any breaks, Simmons’ value couldn’t be lower than it is now, so nothing’s really lost. They can take whatever of these deals already exists that’s obviously selling low of BS.

For a number of reasons, I think Simmons value can get lower, and folks who say that it cannot suffer from a lack of imagination. That aside, the other teams get desperate gambit comes with some risk as well. If the goal is to get Fox from the Kings, or Dlo from the Wolves, it could work.

But a team like the Cavs could end up extending Sexton or trading him elsewhere which would essentially remove them as a potential trade partner. Teams can perform better than expected out of the gate and decide against breaking up their rosters.

Also, there's the reality that a team like the Warriors could outbid the Sixers for a player like Beal.

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[HotelVitale]

Yeah there is. He wants out. His agent says he's not reporting. Teams aren't offering much because they know the situation and how poorly he finished in the playoffs. Philly can string this out as long as they like since Simmons is still under contract but it's silly to think the value gets any better.

You’re right on most of these beyond the last sentence. The basic obvious strategy isn’t to hope Simmons’ value increases but rather that the willingness/desire to trade for him increases. There will be teams that disappoint or aren’t coming out like they’re expecting to in a few months; maybe those teams need a talent upgrade then more than they think they do now, maybe someone sees that their plan isn’t working and they need playmaking and defense. Even if not and the Sixers don’t get any breaks, Simmons’ value couldn’t be lower than it is now, so nothing’s really lost. They can take whatever of these deals already exists that’s obviously selling low of BS.

For a number of reasons, I think Simmons value can get lower, and folks who say that it cannot suffer from a lack of imagination. That aside, the other teams get desperate gambit comes with some risk as well. If the goal is to get Fox from the Kings, or Dlo from the Wolves, it could work.

But a team like the Cavs could end up extending Sexton or trading him elsewhere which would essentially remove them as a potential trade partner. Teams can perform better than expected out of the gate and decide against breaking up their rosters. Also, there's the reality that a team like the Warriors could outbid the Sixers for a player like Beal.

This is all true and future's always unknown etc but I'm not sure I get your practical suggestion. The Sixers (understandably) don't like any of the offers on the table now and none of them is way better than the others, so I don't see how it's a better gamble to make a trade you don't like now instead of one in the future. The conclusion that the best offer now will likely be the best offer EVER doesn't make sense--at best it's a sort of panicked guess--and I doubt you would do the same thing with any of your personal valued possessions. If you're taking 50 cents on the dollar for your car, it's because you either a) have to sell it now or b) know you can't do any better. You're not going to take that offer the 3rd day on its ebay just to get it over with. And if many people are offering that 50 cents now and you know it's valuable, it's a good bet the offers will still be there in a month or two.

[JRoy]

PHI won’t trade him to a team in their own division, they’ll send him west if possible.

[BoogieTime]

If Sac was willing to come up off of Fox, wouldn't a deal be done already???

It’s been reported by our beat reporter, Jason Anderson, that the Sixers were only focused on a deal featuring Fox or Haliburton from the Kings. since then I’ve taken it as a yes to some degree (don’t know if that leaves open that they want one of them in some type of package)

The starting point was Fox +

Tbh, I have no idea why the Kings would be interested in Simmons when their first priority should be a new coach

They should just roll with the same roster this season and if they miss the playoffs again they’ll at get another decent pick for a competent coach to develop

Personally I have Fox/Simmons about equal. I'd entertain the notion because I, and perhaps the organization is high on Mitchell. I think Hali/Mitchell can be a good backcourt now. If the positional quagmire didn't exist, I wouldn't care for the trade. But maybe one of them will be able to guard SFs down the line