Ben Simmons Containment Thread Take 3

[zimpy27]

Hasn't been spoken much on here but there are a couple interesting factors at work here:
- 76ers need defense and playmaking back for Ben
- Draymond just put his FO on blast

Simmons and Draymond have similar impact stats and play similar role except Green is cheaper, older and isn't afraid to shoot.

What do people think of this as a basis for trade?

Who has more value and by how much?

[SNPA]

Not good for Philly IMO. Green is to old.

[Wolveswin]

So Morey is going to trade Simmons to a team and not get any of the three best players or all the picks? Those picks will be late firsts.

Yes. Same as Nets did.

3x Wolves 1sts + 4x Wolves 1st Swaps > Nets Package for Harden

Simmons does NOT get that much.

I agree he doesn’t get that much. It’s what Minny would need, or close to it, minus the top three players.

Offer is 2x 1sts (2nd 1st may be protected) and 3x swaps. And that is still better than Nets offer.

[SNPA]

Yes. Same as Nets did.

3x Wolves 1sts + 4x Wolves 1st Swaps > Nets Package for Harden

Simmons does NOT get that much.

I agree he doesn’t get that much. It’s what Minny would need, or close to it, minus the top three players.

Offer is 2x 1sts (2nd 1st may be protected) and 3x swaps. And that is still better than Nets offer.

We aren’t that far off. I think it’d be all three first and a debate about number of swaps. I’m still not sure that’s a good move for Philly though, there is no headline piece. It’s pure quantity.

[HornetJail]

I'd much rather build a deal around Rozier. It seems he could bring the ball up the court in place of Simmons. He'd spread the floor just as much as Hayward. He's younger and has a track record of conditioning hard and staying healthy. He's a stronger lead piece.

It would also require PJ Washington, another spacer who fits alongside Embiid. And if I'm giving up Rozier and PJ as my main pieces, I cut out the Knicks and just offer the Pels pick on top of Rozier + PJ + McDaniels + Carey Jr. I like Bouknight at the 2 in 3 years after Hayward, Simmons shifting from 2 to the Hayward role.

Rozier and PJ are about to be paid and we have Bouknight and Miles/Kai to take their place long term. And Simmons would be an option after Hayward long term and we increase our length, athleticism and defense. We'd need Bouknight and LaMelo to really hit as spacers though. Miles seems like a hit. Kai Jones has potential as a stretch 5.

LaMelo
Bouknight
Simmons
Miles
Kai

Rozier is the guy you want next to Simmons not instead of him. He only works if you have ball handlers next to him. Sixers probably decline based on that

[delux55]

If it means the wolves not getting Simmons oh well. Edwards is 100 percent off the table in any deal bringing simmons to wolves.

Would love to get Simmons but Edward's right or wrong in anyone's eyes is not getting moved in a deal for ben.

[Wolveswin]

I agree he doesn’t get that much. It’s what Minny would need, or close to it, minus the top three players.

Offer is 2x 1sts (2nd 1st may be protected) and 3x swaps. And that is still better than Nets offer.

We aren’t that far off. I think it’d be all three first and a debate about number of swaps. I’m still not sure that’s a good move for Philly though, there is no headline piece. It’s pure quantity.

The 1sts aren’t going to Philly (not all of them). A third team is 100% involved.

And it won’t be 3x 1sts (unless the 3rd is highly protected).

Harden got 3x 1sts. And there is a huge difference between owed 1sts from KD/Harden/Irving Nets organization in East vs. Towns/Simmons/Russell/Edwards Wolves organization in West.

[babyjax13]

I've been thinking that Washington is an interesting place that can send out a ton of rebuilding pieces for Simmons.

Washington trades: Rui Hachimura, Deni Avdija, Corey Kispert, Isaiah Todd, filler, 2022 WAS 1st (1-4 protected)
Washington receives: Ben Simmons

Philadelphia trades: Ben Simmons
Philadelphia receives: XXX

Team X trades: XXX
Team X receives: Rui Hachimura, Deni Avdija, Corey Kispert, Isaiah Todd, filler, 2022 WAS 1st (1-4 protected)

The question, of course, becomes who wants Washington's pile of assets more than Simmons individually, and is trading a player Washington would not prefer to Simmons. I think they might value Simmons over Fox, so if Sacramento decides to move on there, maybe? Maybe Detroit would send Jerami Grant + ?. etc.

[Wolveswin]

Spurs out: Dejounte + Aminu + Lonnie Walker + Bulls 2025 1st + Spurs 2022 1st + Spurs 2024 1st
Spurs in: Ben Simmons + Deandre Jordan + Thybulle

Nets out: Kyrie + Deandre Jordan
Nets in: Dejounte Murray + Robert Covington + Aminu + Lonnie Walker

Blazers out: Dame + Covington
Blazers in: Kyrie Irving + Thad Young + Bulls 2025 1st + Spurs 2022 1st + Spurs 2024 1st

76ers out: Ben Simmons + ThyBulle
76ers in: Dame


Spurs get their man and get a pretty complete roster with AMAZING defense

White/Tre/Forbes
Vassell/Thybulle/Forbes
Keldon/Ben Simmons
Ben Simmons/Samanic/Collins
Poeltl/Deandre

Nets get better and more stable fits around KD/Harden. Dejounte would excel with all the spacing and Lonnie would be an amazing 6th man for that team.

Blazers stay competitive and get assets to improve further.

76ers get their man


Who says no?

You really can’t think Philly can get Dame with just Simmons + Thybulle? I mean, multiple 1sts needed minimum.

[Sportfan73]

Can Memphis assemble a decent offer?

I wonder whether JJJ must be included OR the following offer might draw 76s attention, too?

Anderson
Melton/Brooks
Bane
Clarke
1st 2022 via Lakers
1st 2022 via Utah
1st 2023
1st 2025
fillers-expirings (Rondo, Jones, or Juancho)

I am very high on Brooks, so I actually sorta like this. But at the end of the day the 76'ers should be moving Ben for a high caliber win-now player. I still think CJ is the best fit for that considering what is available.

What about this spin on a CJ for Ben swap:

PDX TRADES - CJ McCollum, Derrick Jones Jr, 2022 PDX FRP, 2024 PDX FRP
PDX RECEIVES - Ben Simmons

SAS TRADES - Dejounte Murray
SAS RECEIVES - Derrick Jones Jr, Shake Milton, 2022 PDX FRP, 2024 PDX FRP

PHI TRADES - Ben Simmons, Shake Milton
PHI RECEIVES - CJ McCollum, Dejounte Murray

PDX gets the big shakeup they have needed for ages.
SAS picks White and gets 2 FRP and a cheap rotation guy in Milton
PHI totally revamps their guard rotation and can run with:

G - Dejounte Murray / Tyrese Maxey / Jaden Springer
G - CJ McCollum / Seth Curry / Furkan Korkmaz / Isaiah Joe
F - Danny Green / Matisse Thybulle / Furkan Korkmaz
F - Tobias Harris / Paul Reed Jr / Georges Niang
C - Joel Embiid / Andre Drummond / Charles Bassey

This is honestly not bad for Philly. Bravo

[Nate the Great]

Not good for the Warriors, either. The Warriors care mostly about playoff success at this point, and Simmons is terrible in the postseason.

[Wolveswin]

Can Memphis assemble a decent offer?

I wonder whether JJJ must be included OR the following offer might draw 76s attention, too?

Anderson
Melton/Brooks
Bane
Clarke
1st 2022 via Lakers
1st 2022 via Utah
1st 2023
1st 2025
fillers-expirings (Rondo, Jones, or Juancho)

I am very high on Brooks, so I actually sorta like this. But at the end of the day the 76'ers should be moving Ben for a high caliber win-now player. I still think CJ is the best fit for that considering what is available.

What about this spin on a CJ for Ben swap:

PDX TRADES - CJ McCollum, Derrick Jones Jr, 2022 PDX FRP, 2024 PDX FRP
PDX RECEIVES - Ben Simmons

SAS TRADES - Dejounte Murray
SAS RECEIVES - Derrick Jones Jr, Shake Milton, 2022 PDX FRP, 2024 PDX FRP

PHI TRADES - Ben Simmons, Shake Milton
PHI RECEIVES - CJ McCollum, Dejounte Murray

PDX gets the big shakeup they have needed for ages.
SAS picks White and gets 2 FRP and a cheap rotation guy in Milton
PHI totally revamps their guard rotation and can run with:

G - Dejounte Murray / Tyrese Maxey / Jaden Springer
G - CJ McCollum / Seth Curry / Furkan Korkmaz / Isaiah Joe
F - Danny Green / Matisse Thybulle / Furkan Korkmaz
F - Tobias Harris / Paul Reed Jr / Georges Niang
C - Joel Embiid / Andre Drummond / Charles Bassey

This is honestly not bad for Philly. Bravo

Other than I was told by SAS fans, they are a terrible 3rd team. They too want Simmons. They will not help facilitate a Simmons trade.

[SNPA]

Offer is 2x 1sts (2nd 1st may be protected) and 3x swaps. And that is still better than Nets offer.

We aren’t that far off. I think it’d be all three first and a debate about number of swaps. I’m still not sure that’s a good move for Philly though, there is no headline piece. It’s pure quantity.

The 1sts aren’t going to Philly (not all of them). A third team is 100% involved.

And it won’t be 3x 1sts (unless the 3rd is highly protected).

Harden got 3x 1sts. And there is a huge difference between owed 1sts from KD/Harden/Irving Nets organization in East vs. Towns/Simmons/Russell/Edwards Wolves organization in West.

There were a lot of other moving parts in the Harden deal (LeVert/Allen/VO/4 swaps/etc).

And the Nets picks in later years have more value long term, that’s an old team. Minny meanwhile would be a young team primed to be good for many years to come.

[Topofthekey]

Philadelphia 76ers trade:
Ben Simmons, Tobias Harris

Philadelphia 76ers receive:
Malcolm Brogdon, Buddy Hield, Malik Beasley



Indiana Pacers trade:
Malcolm Brogdon, Myles Turner

Indiana Pacers receive:
Ben Simmons, Marvin Bagley



Sacramento Kings trade:
Buddy Hield, Marvin Bagley

Sacramento Kings receive:
Tobias Harris



Minnesota Timberwolves trade:
Malik Beasley

Minnesota Timberwolves receive:
Myles Turner

Pacers would have zero interest in this

Simmons feels like the type who would demand a trade to a bigger market at some point

No reason at all for Pacers to risk it, especially if the cost is Turner and Brogdon

Brogdon is the centrepiece that Sixers are receiving for Simmons here anyway, so it's strange that Pacer also somehow lose Turner in the process

Just seems like an odd trade

[Wolveswin]

We aren’t that far off. I think it’d be all three first and a debate about number of swaps. I’m still not sure that’s a good move for Philly though, there is no headline piece. It’s pure quantity.

The 1sts aren’t going to Philly (not all of them). A third team is 100% involved.

And it won’t be 3x 1sts (unless the 3rd is highly protected).

Harden got 3x 1sts. And there is a huge difference between owed 1sts from KD/Harden/Irving Nets organization in East vs. Towns/Simmons/Russell/Edwards Wolves organization in West.

There were a lot of other moving parts in the Harden deal (LeVert/Allen/VO/4 swaps/etc).

And the Nets picks in later years have more value long term, that’s an old team. Minny meanwhile would be a young team primed to be good for many years to come.

And there would be moving parts with Wolves deal too (McDaniels/Beasley/Beverley/Prince/3x Swaps).

Russell expires in 2 year. Towns 3. And if Towns was going to bolt, he would be traded in 2. You can say they are young and retained, but no one know that for sure.

Note: the first swap from Nets was not conveyed. Odds are like 99-1 that 2023 swap is meaningless (more so with KD re-signed). 89-1 that 2025 swap is meaningless. Those odds are cut in half (if not more) for lotto kings Wolves who don’t have KD/Harden/Irving. Plus the 76ers are like 1000 times better than tanking Rockets, very good chance 76ers are better than Wolves (even with Simmons) and swaps are actually conveyed. Swaps in this deal are MUCH more valuable than Nets/Rockets deal.

[Pipp33]

Not good for the Warriors, either. The Warriors care mostly about playoff success at this point, and Simmons is terrible in the postseason.

I agree that he hasn't been good at all inthe playoffs, BUT, if he's with the Warriors, with Steph and a healthy Klay, playing at the 4 spot, that's a whole different scenario.

IF the Warriors truly do want Ben, I can't see it working with him and Draymond on the same team.

Always thought if he goes to the Warriors, Draymond has to go out. Include the Blazers in the trade and send Green to them and CJ to Sixers with others added. Dray would give the Blazers that edge they sorely lack

[8on]

Simmons for Murray.

I think Nuggets relish the opportunity to have a top 10 defense and offense, despite the loss of chemistry.

Sixers get a proven playoff performer who has what they need.

who says no?

[RoyceDa59]

If Warriors can nab 23 year old Simmons for 31 year old Draymond they would do it in a heart beat. Play him as a play making PF in the high post to attack the rim or kick to shooters. Elite defender who can guard all 5 positions.

[8on]

so i didn't see this before i posted a thread, but.....

Simmons to Denver for Murray.

Nuggets get better defensively while Porter takes a step forward offensively, Sixers get a proven playoff performer.

[JimmyPlopper]

Problem is that we saw two years ago how bad Tobias is at SF. He needs to play PF. So he needs to be included in the deal (also with Wiggins for salary matching) in order for fit to work for Philly.