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[zimpy27]

Anyone tried this variation before?

Wolves out: Prince, Bolmaro, Beasley, Layman, 3 1sts
Wolves in Simmons, Osman

Cavs out: Osman, Sexton
Cavs in: Beasley, Bolmaro

Philly out: Simmons
Philly in: Prince, Sexton, Layman, 3 Minny 1sts

Why for Philly: get a replacement scoring guard, 3 1sts and expiring for next star
Why for Cavs: avoid the tax and improve shooting
Why for Wolves: get simmons without dlo/edwards/towns

If Minny still had Rubio this would work but Philly already have a lack of playmaking with Simmons, to lose Simmons and not bring back equal playmaking is the wrong direction for them.

I suspect that if Morey had ever expressed any interest in Rubio, Rosas wouldn’t have moved him in a lateral trade for Prince.

Yeah Morey has been chasing a selection of 8 all-stars for Simmons. I doubt Morey was keen back then. The move to take win now pieces and picks is going to be the last thing Morey does.

[jbk1234]

Your assumption is the Cavs won't do something dumb, but you also believe they've gone into the offseason with perhaps the worst SF play in the league last year, did nothing to make it better, and arguably made it worse with the Prince trade. I'm not taking anything that's somewhat reasonable off the table with the Cleveland front office. Garland's upside is potential all-star, Simmons is already there, it seems like the ballpark of a fair offer, discounting team fit. Maybe the Cavs also work a Curry-for-Okoro swap in the deal to resolve that.

Simmons and Sexton wouldn't work together. I am assuming the Cavs won't do something dumb. I don't think that the Cavs failed to upgraded the backup SG and SF position because they're dumb. I think they tried and failed.

Evan Dammerall reporting that Houston trying to get Simmons with Wall and picks.

He's a Cavs reporter. Any credibility?

He knows some agents.

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[jbk1234]

The two Jays are very good in their own right, respectively, but there are a number of measures that would suggest they don't necessarily have great synergy between them. If you could find someone to further empower one of the Jays in a trade while not dropping off in talent too much I would be tempted to go for it.

Brown is a much more dynamic player than Simmons and is on a better contract. I can't see the Celtics being remotely interested.

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I'm not sure how you are qualifying dynamic here - surely not regarding ability to be a multi-dimensional player. Also I can't imagine there are any teams out there that would value Brown as a player more than Simmons. Brown does have the added value of being a really popular person with teammates and within the community whereas Simmons personality is more aloof. I know that rubs fans the wrong way, in addition to his reluctance to shoot jumpers, but as I stated previously in this thread. The perception of Simmons value among fans (as represented by comments on this board) seem to be getting farther and farther away from how executives are likely to view him.

I'd trade a lot more for Brown than Simmons. I think if you polled the two in terms of trade value you wouldn't like the results. One is a two-way player who can shoot, get his own shot, and is on a value contract. The other guy is none of those things.

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[the_process]

Your assumption is the Cavs won't do something dumb, but you also believe they've gone into the offseason with perhaps the worst SF play in the league last year, did nothing to make it better, and arguably made it worse with the Prince trade. I'm not taking anything that's somewhat reasonable off the table with the Cleveland front office. Garland's upside is potential all-star, Simmons is already there, it seems like the ballpark of a fair offer, discounting team fit. Maybe the Cavs also work a Curry-for-Okoro swap in the deal to resolve that.

Simmons and Sexton wouldn't work together. I am assuming the Cavs won't do something dumb. I don't think that the Cavs failed to upgraded the backup SG and SF position because they're dumb. I think they tried and failed.

Evan Dammerall reporting that Houston trying to get Simmons with Wall and picks.

He's a Cavs reporter. Any credibility?

Houston has to add a Wood/Tobias swap to that IMO.

[zimpy27]

Simmons and Sexton wouldn't work together. I am assuming the Cavs won't do something dumb. I don't think that the Cavs failed to upgraded the backup SG and SF position because they're dumb. I think they tried and failed.

Evan Dammerall reporting that Houston trying to get Simmons with Wall and picks.

He's a Cavs reporter. Any credibility?

Houston has to add a Wood/Tobias swap to that IMO.

Would Philly start Wood? Why do they want to move Harris?

Harris stands to improve the most if Simmons goes, he will take over full-court wing playmaking and will play full time at PF. A number of his skills are attenuated with Simmons there. Seems like a mistake on value to move him before Simmons is moved.

[LarsV8]

Really just don't see how Simmons fits in Houston.

I am all about the tank.

[Tomjas]

Really just don't see how Simmons fits in Houston.

I am all about the tank.

Or Wall in Philly

Won’t happen

[Darthlukey]

The two Jays are very good in their own right, respectively, but there are a number of measures that would suggest they don't necessarily have great synergy between them. If you could find someone to further empower one of the Jays in a trade while not dropping off in talent too much I would be tempted to go for it.

Brown is a much more dynamic player than Simmons and is on a better contract. I can't see the Celtics being remotely interested.

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I'm not sure how you are qualifying dynamic here - surely not regarding ability to be a multi-dimensional player. Also I can't imagine there are any teams out there that would value Brown as a player more than Simmons. Brown does have the added value of being a really popular person with teammates and within the community whereas Simmons personality is more aloof. I know that rubs fans the wrong way, in addition to his reluctance to shoot jumpers, but as I stated previously in this thread. The perception of Simmons value among fans (as represented by comments on this board) seem to be getting farther and farther away from how executives are likely to view him.

Honestly, I dont value brown more than Simmons. What im saying is, a team with just Simmons and Tatum has a very low ceiling. However, if you had Simmons (not gonna happen) to Tatum and Brown, the sky is the limit

[Darthlukey]

Really just don't see how Simmons fits in Houston.

I am all about the tank.

Or Wall in Philly

Won’t happen

Wall kinda fits, I guess, if you are optimistic. But I guess the real haul is whether or not the 6ers can turn a butt load of picks into contributing players now

[Tomjas]

Really just don't see how Simmons fits in Houston.

I am all about the tank.

Or Wall in Philly

Won’t happen

Wall kinda fits, I guess, if you are optimistic. But I guess the real haul is whether or not the 6ers can turn a butt load of picks into contributing players now

And if they can’t, they are stuck with an injury prone lesser player owed $90 million

Might as well sit Joel too

[Darthlukey]

Or Wall in Philly

Won’t happen

Wall kinda fits, I guess, if you are optimistic. But I guess the real haul is whether or not the 6ers can turn a butt load of picks into contributing players now

And if they can’t, they are stuck with an injury prone lesser player owed $90 million

Might as well sit Joel too

Yup, the ticking clock on Embiid's knees doesnt help. Something will get done eventually, either a trade or Simmons manning up. Just annoying playing the waiting game.

[zimpy27]

Really just don't see how Simmons fits in Houston.

I am all about the tank.

- You have Green and KPJ. Two young SGs that deserve to start
- You have Wood and Theis as stretch 5s. Sengun/Garuba also have potential as stretch 5s.
- You have another starting wing in Tate

You really need another starting wing that can be a facilitator for KPJ, Green, Tate, Wood. This is why Simmons fits so well. Plus he's younger than Wood and Tate.

[NYG]

I know we're at a standstill waiting for the Simmons deal (or holding out hold Beal or Lillard request out), but once the Simmons trade does happen what avenues does that unfreeze elsewhere? Would Cleveland shop Sexton if he ends up elsewhere? Would the Spurs still want to trade Murray or White? Where would the Kings/T'Wolves turn if they don't get him? Does Portland try to find a McCollum deal?

For the teams that don't get him, will they make other trades shortly after?

[toooskies]

I know we're at a standstill waiting for the Simmons deal (or holding out hold Beal or Lillard request out), but once the Simmons trade does happen what avenues does that unfreeze elsewhere? Would Cleveland shop Sexton if he ends up elsewhere? Would the Spurs still want to trade Murray or White? Where would the Kings/T'Wolves turn if they don't get him? Does Portland try to find a McCollum deal?

For the teams that don't get him, will they make other trades shortly after?

Cleveland might make a move for a different SF (like Cam Reddish) but I don't see them moving Sexton to do it.

[SNPA]

Really just don't see how Simmons fits in Houston.

I am all about the tank.

Or Wall in Philly

Won’t happen

Keep Wall.

Rockets gets - Simmons/Buddy
Kings gets - Wood/Gordon/Tate
Philly gets - Porter Jr/Josh Christopher/Bags/Theis/3 Rockets firsts (22 included)/Kings 22 (top ten protected)

That’s a haul of four firsts and a rookie first rounder plus Porter and a Bags flyer (Theis is good salary), plus their existing young assets/picks, all set for a trade for a star that comes loose.

Rockets are good and have a nice core of Simmons/Green/Sengun.

Kings upgrade for a playoff push.

[LarsV8]

- You have Green and KPJ. Two young SGs that deserve to start
- You have Wood and This as stretch 5s. Sengun/Garuba also have potential as stretch 5s.
- You have another starting wing in Tate

You really need another starting wing that can be a facilitator for the KPJ, Green, Tate, Wood. This is why Simmons fits so well. Plus he's younger than Wood and Tate.

-There is nothing stopping Green and KPJ from starting. KPJ is ready to be the PG. We also have Christopher who can PG.
-Agree, I am firmly in the camp that Wood should be moved. I strongly advocate moving him to Sac for Mitchell.

Simmons doesn't fit anywhere, thats the problem.

[LarsV8]

Really just don't see how Simmons fits in Houston.

I am all about the tank.

Or Wall in Philly

Won’t happen

Keep Wall.

Rockets gets - Simmons/Buddy
Kings gets - Wood/Gordon/Tate
Philly gets - Porter Jr/Josh Christopher/Bags/Theis/3 Rockets firsts (22 included)/Kings 22 (top ten protected)

That’s a haul of four firsts and a rookie first rounder plus Porter and a Bags flyer (Theis is good salary), plus their existing young assets/picks, all set for a trade for a star that comes loose.

Rockets are good and have a nice core of Simmons/Green/Sengun.

Kings upgrade for a playoff push.

Good lord no.

[SNPA]

Or Wall in Philly

Won’t happen

Keep Wall.

Rockets gets - Simmons/Buddy
Kings gets - Wood/Gordon/Tate
Philly gets - Porter Jr/Josh Christopher/Bags/Theis/3 Rockets firsts (22 included)/Kings 22 (top ten protected)

That’s a haul of four firsts and a rookie first rounder plus Porter and a Bags flyer (Theis is good salary), plus their existing young assets/picks, all set for a trade for a star that comes loose.

Rockets are good and have a nice core of Simmons/Green/Sengun.

Kings upgrade for a playoff push.

Good lord no.

If sucking is Houston’s goal then trade Wood for a pick. Kings will happily make that happen.

[zimpy27]

- You have Green and KPJ. Two young SGs that deserve to start
- You have Wood and This as stretch 5s. Sengun/Garuba also have potential as stretch 5s.
- You have another starting wing in Tate

You really need another starting wing that can be a facilitator for the KPJ, Green, Tate, Wood. This is why Simmons fits so well. Plus he's younger than Wood and Tate.

-There is nothing stopping Green and KPJ from starting. KPJ is ready to be the PG. We also have Christopher who can PG.
-Agree, I am firmly in the camp that Wood should be moved. I strongly advocate moving him to Sac for Mitchell.

Simmons doesn't fit anywhere, thats the problem.

KPJ is not a good starting playmaker, his decision making is questionable and if anything he could be used as a secondary playmaker. Christopher is yet to play a professional game, I find it unlikely he's the answer.

[Tomjas]

- You have Green and KPJ. Two young SGs that deserve to start
- You have Wood and This as stretch 5s. Sengun/Garuba also have potential as stretch 5s.
- You have another starting wing in Tate

You really need another starting wing that can be a facilitator for the KPJ, Green, Tate, Wood. This is why Simmons fits so well. Plus he's younger than Wood and Tate.

-There is nothing stopping Green and KPJ from starting. KPJ is ready to be the PG. We also have Christopher who can PG.
-Agree, I am firmly in the camp that Wood should be moved. I strongly advocate moving him to Sac for Mitchell.

Simmons doesn't fit anywhere, thats the problem.

Simmons would be the best player on the team by a considerable distance

Building around Green & Ben is easy

HOWEVER, the Rockets should not do that IMO

They should “consolidate” (aka tank) for another season

Give the youngsters plenty of playing time, attempt to move Wall without giving up too much and aim for another top pick

Then you potentially have a core for the next decade