Random Rumors and Trade Board General Thoughts Thread

[OutsidetheNBA]

Portland would be crazy to not take a parts + 16 for Gordon deal.

Good posts. Or MIN at #17.

Combining rumors:

MIN GIVES: James Johnson, #17, Omari Spellman
MIN GETS: Aaron Gordon

ORL GIVES: Aaron Gordon, #15
ORL GETS: James Johnson, #6

ATL GIVES: #6
ATL GETS: #15, #17, Omari Spellman

I don't see how you get to #6 from #15 with only the #17 pick.
Last year getting to #4 from cost #8, #17 plus 2 2nds.

Agree. As I understand it, Atlanta is willing to trade #6 to get win-now pieces. Picks 15 & 17 aren't win-now. Seems like exactly the wrong direction.

[shrink]

Good posts. Or MIN at #17.

Combining rumors:

MIN GIVES: James Johnson, #17, Omari Spellman
MIN GETS: Aaron Gordon

ORL GIVES: Aaron Gordon, #15
ORL GETS: James Johnson, #6

ATL GIVES: #6
ATL GETS: #15, #17, Omari Spellman

I don't see how you get to #6 from #15 with only the #17 pick.
Last year getting to #4 from cost #8, #17 plus 2 2nds.

Agree. As I understand it, Atlanta is willing to trade #6 to get win-now pieces. Picks 15 & 17 aren't win-now. Seems like exactly the wrong direction.

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[Buzzard]

The thing is that other teams will see Gordon as a starting forward (Portland for one). So Orlando isn't going to sell him at backup prices just because that's how Atlanta sees him.

But even at that, I have him at say a pick at 14-17? Maybe that is a little low and it should be around 11-12? If not, it is a close call if the trade is fair imo of 6 for 15 and 16.

But yeah, it could be AG to Portland, 2 picks to Atlanta type deal instead then.

Portland would be crazy to not take a parts + 16 for Gordon deal.

I agree but Atlanta is not looking for picks.

I think Portland is crazy for having one of the best guard combos in the NBA and constantly whiffing when trying to tighten up their forward rotations. Ariza, seriously? Maybe back in 2015 to 2017 but come on, this was the 2019/20 season.

I am being sarcastic but the point still stands. As long as they can keep Lilliard and McCollum they should be hell bent on trying to get a forward like AG.

[Buzzard]

The thing is that other teams will see Gordon as a starting forward (Portland for one). So Orlando isn't going to sell him at backup prices just because that's how Atlanta sees him.

They will move him for the best value offered. If that is Atlanta then that is Atlanta. Not many teams can touch the cap savings or picks that the Hawks can offer.

The rumor is the Hawks like Okongwu, Haliburton, and Avdija. Stands to reason that any team that wants to take Haliburton may have to deal with Atlanta; or be picking ahead of them.

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[HartfordWhalers]

Sounds about right.

[Texas Chuck]

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LaVine seems like a terrible fit on the Mavs. Decent shooter, but ball dominate and a negative defender. If I'm the Mavs, I absolutely prefer THJ to Lavine. But maybe I'm missing something.

You are missing nothing.

[Scoot McGroot]

He's absolutely an All-NBA guy still, but man, that $40+m salary is just tough to make work. Add in this tightening cap world, and his raise every year will be more than the 2% cap raise each year if Covid sticks around.

[HartfordWhalers]

He's absolutely an All-NBA guy still, but man, that $40+m salary is just tough to make work. Add in this tightening cap world, and his raise every year will be more than the 2% cap raise each year if Covid sticks around.

3%

[Mr B]

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LaVine seems like a terrible fit on the Mavs. Decent shooter, but ball dominate and a negative defender. If I'm the Mavs, I absolutely prefer THJ to Lavine. But maybe I'm missing something.

I read an article that kind of said the same thing. He definitely doesn’t help defensively. The article I read said that it’s possible the Mavs are just going to go full tilt on offense. Carlisle wants another elite ball handler to help take some of the pressure off of Luka so LaVine being ball dominant won’t be an issue. If anyone can make that work Carlisle can.

If anything it would give the Mavs a young promising tradeable player to get the piece they really need.


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[Scoot McGroot]

He's absolutely an All-NBA guy still, but man, that $40+m salary is just tough to make work. Add in this tightening cap world, and his raise every year will be more than the 2% cap raise each year if Covid sticks around.

3%

Oh. I hadn't seen that that changed in the final agreement.

[Texas Chuck]

If anything it would give the Mavs a young promising tradeable player to get the piece they really need.

If Lavine returns what they really want and Chicago would accept the little Dallas can offer then just do that and skip the LaVine experience.

I just don't buy LaVine as a high value high in demand piece. He doesn't do the things you'd want a 3rd option to do and as a primary option he's not good enough and he caps your team's ceiling as Chicago has discovered.

And when you've already been the most efficient offense of all time and lapped the league(for those who think this is just about the modern game) I'm not sure there is a lot further you can push that.

But if they were going to try I'd much rather go with Gallo who elevates the offenses he's on instead of cannibalizing them like LaVine.

[babyjax13]

If anything it would give the Mavs a young promising tradeable player to get the piece they really need.

If Lavine returns what they really want and Chicago would accept the little Dallas can offer then just do that and skip the LaVine experience.

I just don't buy LaVine as a high value high in demand piece. He doesn't do the things you'd want a 3rd option to do and as a primary option he's not good enough and he caps your team's ceiling as Chicago has discovered.

And when you've already been the most efficient offense of all time and lapped the league(for those who think this is just about the modern game) I'm not sure there is a lot further you can push that.

But if they were going to try I'd much rather go with Gallo who elevates the offenses he's on instead of cannibalizing them like LaVine.

To be fair, Utah was better offensively after getting Clarkson, and Denver was also better during that time, so I wouldn't say Dallas has 'lapped the league.' I also don't see any reason LaVine can't revert to a less ball-dominant role. We're really making projections knowing very little of what he'd look like outside of a team that has cast him as their first option. I think he'd look pretty nice playing off of Luka. Don't think he is worth what some Chicago fans seem to think, but he's still a good player.

[Texas Chuck]

To be fair, Utah was better offensively after getting Clarkson, and Denver was also better during that time, so I wouldn't say Dallas has 'lapped the league.' .

I'm not trying to insult anyone. But the gap between Dallas at 1 and the Clippers at 2 is the same as the gap between the Clippers at 2 and Phoenix at 12. It's a pretty big gap.

I mean I don't know what else to say. I don't go around these boards hyping up Dallas, but offensively they were historically good last year. And while they might well lean into that further I sure hope they try and address defense first.

[Texas Chuck]

We're really making projections knowing very little of what he'd look like outside of a team that has cast him as their first option. I think he'd look pretty nice playing off of Luka. Don't think he is worth what some Chicago fans seem to think, but he's still a good player.

Yeah I'm making projections off what we've seen. If he accepted a catch and shoot role with a bit more creation responsibilities when Luka sits then yeah he could fit in fine offensively--tho THJ already does that role really well so I see no reason to both take the risk that LaVine accepts that and giving up the assets. I do feel confident that he's not going to magically start caring about defense. I get fans do that with new players, but I'm trusting track records more than what I hope happens.

[babyjax13]

To be fair, Utah was better offensively after getting Clarkson, and Denver was also better during that time, so I wouldn't say Dallas has 'lapped the league.' .

I'm not trying to insult anyone. But the gap between Dallas at 1 and the Clippers at 2 is the same as the gap between the Clippers at 2 and Phoenix at 12. It's a pretty big gap.

I mean I don't know what else to say. I don't go around these boards hyping up Dallas, but offensively they were historically good last year. And while they might well lean into that further I sure hope they try and address defense first.

It was historically great, I just don't think there is going to be a huge gap next year because Utah with one additional bench player was better offensively from the moment they added Clarkson (over half the season - although I give just as much credit to cutting Jeff Green), and Denver was also better during that span (not sure what changed for them). I don't think the 'lapped' anyone, which is totally just me disagree with a semantic point here, so I'll slink away, lol.

[Texas Chuck]

It was historically great, I just don't think there is going to be a huge gap next year because Utah with one additional bench player was better offensively from the moment they added Clarkson (over half the season - although I give just as much credit to cutting Jeff Green), and Denver was also better during that span (not sure what changed for them). I don't think the 'lapped' anyone, which is totally just me disagree with a semantic point here, so I'll slink away, lol.

Oh for next year absolutely. I think GSW is likely going to be really scary again, Denver has the potential to just explode. If the Suns add Paul and say Gallo they could be freakishly good. Utah will get arguably their best offensive player back....etc I think Dallas is still going to be one of the best offenses in the league with Luka, Rick, and their shooters, but I don't expect them to be that far in front of the pack or even in the front of the pack.

My point was mostly that the offense wasn't just good, but fantastic and thus adding a player like LaVine wouldn't be the direction I'd want to go. I'd trade some offensive efficiency for a roster more prepared to compete in the playoffs.

[Mr B]

If anything it would give the Mavs a young promising tradeable player to get the piece they really need.

If Lavine returns what they really want and Chicago would accept the little Dallas can offer then just do that and skip the LaVine experience.

I just don't buy LaVine as a high value high in demand piece. He doesn't do the things you'd want a 3rd option to do and as a primary option he's not good enough and he caps your team's ceiling as Chicago has discovered.

And when you've already been the most efficient offense of all time and lapped the league(for those who think this is just about the modern game) I'm not sure there is a lot further you can push that.

But if they were going to try I'd much rather go with Gallo who elevates the offenses he's on instead of cannibalizing them like LaVine.

LaVine’s value being low is really the only reason the Mavs would be able to get him (considering limited assets). That doesn’t mean Levine is a bad player though. He’s been on a bad team. His talent is the same as it was when came out of college and he’s still young enough to take advantage of that talent. Remember he’s 25 not 35. I think Carlisle could do wonders for LaVine’s career like he has with several other guards. Not to mention playing with Luka. I expect within a year or two LaVine’s stock would be much higher than it is now making him a better trade asset at that point.


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[babyjax13]

It was historically great, I just don't think there is going to be a huge gap next year because Utah with one additional bench player was better offensively from the moment they added Clarkson (over half the season - although I give just as much credit to cutting Jeff Green), and Denver was also better during that span (not sure what changed for them). I don't think the 'lapped' anyone, which is totally just me disagree with a semantic point here, so I'll slink away, lol.

Oh for next year absolutely. I think GSW is likely going to be really scary again, Denver has the potential to just explode. If the Suns add Paul and say Gallo they could be freakishly good. Utah will get arguably their best offensive player back....etc I think Dallas is still going to be one of the best offenses in the league with Luka, Rick, and their shooters, but I don't expect them to be that far in front of the pack or even in the front of the pack.

My point was mostly that the offense wasn't just good, but fantastic and thus adding a player like LaVine wouldn't be the direction I'd want to go. I'd trade some offensive efficiency for a roster more prepared to compete in the playoffs.

I kinda want to see Bledsoe on Dallas. I think he'd thrive under Carlisle and would be a terrific compliment to Luka/Kristaps. Maybe some kind of three way where Dallas sends Wright+Powell+???.