Kevin Love - Every team's best offer

mysticbb · Post #381 » by **mysticbb** » Wed May 21, 2014 9:05 pm

likashing wrote:True. But if the season doesn't go well, and they need to trade him by the deadline, his value will be much lower because 1) Love only wants to extend with a contender and 2) a contender, by that time, will be less willing to offer too much as they don't want to disrupt their team chemistry.

Understand your argument, I just looked from the Timberwolves perspective and I think it is worth taking the risk that his value could be clearly lower at the deadline. I think the possibility of having a better team next season with more wins is big enough. Obviously, it would depend on which moves they can make in the offseason ...

AQuintus · Post #382 » by **AQuintus** » Wed May 21, 2014 9:08 pm

likashing wrote:
Yes, they all say that. But Aigne won't offer top dollars if he doesn't get a commitment. It's just simple logic.

If Ainge's "non-top-dollar" offer is already the best offer the Wolves can get. It's kind of a sad outcome for the Wolves.

"Wah Wah Wah Wah! I'm not listening! I'm not Listening!"

MNRunLeft · Post #383 » by **MNRunLeft** » Wed May 21, 2014 9:11 pm

likashing wrote:Yes, they all say that. But Aigne won't offer top dollars if he doesn't get a commitment. It's just simple logic.

If Ainge's "non-top-dollar" offer is already the best offer the Wolves can get. It's kind of a sad outcome for the Wolves.

Wolves will get multipule teams involved and will have multipule offers to consider, its not as if Ainge's offer will be the only one they receive and they'll simply take the best one if they opt to make a move, Love's commitment will play a role in those offers but if team A is offering more than Team B despite the fact that Love's only given a commitment to B the Wolves will take A's offer and they can deal with it. No one is saying the Wolves will get full value back but there will be a market, with multipule teams and it only take one team to make an agressive offer to improve quickly this offseason.

likashing · Post #384 » by **likashing** » Wed May 21, 2014 9:32 pm

MNRunLeft wrote:
likashing wrote:Yes, they all say that. But Aigne won't offer top dollars if he doesn't get a commitment. It's just simple logic.

If Ainge's "non-top-dollar" offer is already the best offer the Wolves can get. It's kind of a sad outcome for the Wolves.

Wolves will get multipule teams involved and will have multipule offers to consider, its not as if Ainge's offer will be the only one they receive and they'll simply take the best one if they opt to make a move, Love's commitment will play a role in those offers but if team A is offering more than Team B despite the fact that Love's only given a commitment to B the Wolves will take A's offer and they can deal with it. No one is saying the Wolves will get full value back but there will be a market, with multipule teams and it only take one team to make an agressive offer to improve quickly this offseason.

I agree. This is how it will go down. I'm just not as optimistic about getting an "aggressive" offer. Just look at what happened with Howard, Melo, CP3, and Harden.

MNRunLeft · Post #385 » by **MNRunLeft** » Wed May 21, 2014 9:47 pm

likashing wrote:I agree. This is how it will go down. I'm just not as optimistic about getting an "aggressive" offer. Just look at what happened with Howard, Melo, CP3, and Harden.

Only the Harden deal stands out as terrible at the time, in retrospect they don't look as great though.

CP3 was traded for Gordon who at the time was viewed in similar regards to Klay Thompson, maybe even greater value considering the Suns were willing to offer the max to Gordon and I'm not sure any team would offer the max for Klay if he hits RFA. LAC also gave up the unprotected MN pick which was highly valued, and a recent top 10 pick in Aminu. At the time that was a big package despite Paul choosing where he was going.

LAL gave up Bynum to land Howard which at the time certainly was a lot as well, Orlando was routed Afflalo, Vuc, and multiple 1st round picks in the process. In retrospect they may have netted the best pieces of all these deals.

Melo trade also netted the Nuggets a proven up and comer on his rookie deal in Galo, plus nice pieces in Chandler, Felton (at the time atleast) Moz and multiple 1st round picks.

I don't think any of these deals are all that out of line with what many Wolves fans are expecting.

likashing · Post #386 » by **likashing** » Wed May 21, 2014 10:04 pm

MNRunLeft wrote:
likashing wrote:I agree. This is how it will go down. I'm just not as optimistic about getting an "aggressive" offer. Just look at what happened with Howard, Melo, CP3, and Harden.

CP3 was traded for Gordon who at the time was viewed in similar regards to Klay Thompson, maybe even greater value considering the Suns were willing to offer the max to Gordon and I'm not sure any team would offer the max for Klay if he hits RFA. LAC also gave up the unprotected MN pick which was highly valued, and a recent top 10 pick in Aminu. At the time that was a big package despite Paul choosing where he was going.

CP3 opted in so he wouldn't become a FA immediately, otherwise, the Clippers wouldn't have offered Gordon.

It will be interesting to see how things develop with Love.

MagicFan32 · Post #387 » by **MagicFan32** » Wed May 21, 2014 10:26 pm

anyone else tired of seeing the same garbage houston offers in every topic? asik/lin ain't worth ****, especially given how emo asik is

Post #388 » by **165bows** » Wed May 21, 2014 10:39 pm

likashing wrote:
MNRunLeft wrote:
likashing wrote:Love not committing to an extension to a Celtics trade is essentially a no trade clause. If Love doesn't commit, will Celtics still offer as much to the Wolves?

In Ainge's comments today he didn't seem too worried about a commitment. If a team feels confident they can build a winning team around Love they'll likely feel confident they can extend him, especially if they are a large market with a strong reputation like Boston.

Yes, they all say that. But Aigne won't offer top dollars if he doesn't get a commitment. It's just simple logic.

If Ainge's "non-top-dollar" offer is already the best offer the Wolves can get. It's kind of a sad outcome for the Wolves.

Eh, it was pretty well reported Ainge would have sent a package centered around Rondo and picks for CP3 without any extension. It was also reported that they nearly had a deal with David West that same summer.

I think if Boston's FO thinks they legitimately have no chance at keeping a guy, they wouldn't make an offer. I think this situation is similar to the CP3 attempt. They think that even if they aren't on a 'list,' they can get there in the time frame needed. Otherwise, why even get involved?

likashing · Post #389 » by **likashing** » Wed May 21, 2014 10:59 pm

165bows wrote:Eh, it was pretty well reported Ainge would have sent a package centered around Rondo and picks for CP3 without any extension. It was also reported that they nearly had a deal with David West that same summer.

I think if Boston's FO thinks they legitimately have no chance at keeping a guy, they wouldn't make an offer. I think this situation is similar to the CP3 attempt. They think that even if they aren't on a 'list,' they can get there in the time frame needed. Otherwise, why even get involved?

Rumors. Reports. Rondo was one of the top young PGs back in 2010-11 and NO chose to take Eric Gordon. Maybe it was just what it was, a rumor, and Rondo was not actually on the table for a non-committed CP3.

DowJones · Post #390 » by **DowJones** » Wed May 21, 2014 11:42 pm

Can someone explain to me why Love would re-sign with Boston? Boston certainly isn't a destination city and Love wants to win. Boston can't offer him that.

bs_and_cs · Post #391 » by **bs_and_cs** » Thu May 22, 2014 12:00 am

DowJones wrote:Can someone explain to me why Love would re-sign with Boston? Boston certainly isn't a destination city and Love wants to win. Boston can't offer him that.

Boston can certainly offer him a winning. They have the assets and cap space to go out and get anyone one sans LeBron James and Kevin Durant.

Oh and there is thing we call 17 titles. Yeah, people respect that. Hey, one day Cleveland may get that high. They may need 17 #1 overall picks, but they'll get there.

Post #392 » by **jbk1234** » Thu May 22, 2014 12:03 am

DowJones wrote:Can someone explain to me why Love would re-sign with Boston? Boston certainly isn't a destination city and Love wants to win. Boston can't offer him that.

Quite. I want Ainge to trade No. 6 for Love so that Griffin doesn't have the opportunity.

DowJones · Post #393 » by **DowJones** » Thu May 22, 2014 12:28 am

jbk1234 wrote:
DowJones wrote:Can someone explain to me why Love would re-sign with Boston? Boston certainly isn't a destination city and Love wants to win. Boston can't offer him that.

Quite. I want Ainge to trade No. 6 for Love so that Griffin doesn't have the opportunity.

I really don't see Cleveland trading for Love unless it is part of a bigger plan...a plan that Cleveland fans would love. No way would Cleveland rent Love for a year for the #1 pick. I would rather have Embiid than Love if Love signs for the next 6 years. Embiid has HUGE upside on both sides of the court, he is 6 years younger, and he will be on a rookie contract over the next 4 years.

Post #394 » by **jbk1234** » Thu May 22, 2014 12:31 am

DowJones wrote:
jbk1234 wrote:
DowJones wrote:Can someone explain to me why Love would re-sign with Boston? Boston certainly isn't a destination city and Love wants to win. Boston can't offer him that.

Quite. I want Ainge to trade No. 6 for Love so that Griffin doesn't have the opportunity.

I really don't see Cleveland trading for Love unless it is part of a bigger plan...a plan that Cleveland fans would love. No way would Cleveland rent Love for a year for the #1 pick. I would rather have Embiid than Love if Love signs for the next 6 years. Embiid has HUGE upside on both sides of the court, he is 6 years younger, and he will be on a rookie contract over the next 4 years.

I agree for the most part (although if Love was signed for the next six years you wouldn't have to worry about a possible trade). I also have grave concerns about Griffin's comments.

WolvesGuy14 · Post #395 » by **WolvesGuy14** » Thu May 22, 2014 1:54 am

Philly fans would you do #3, #10, Young, Richardson for Love and Martin?

Seems somewhat believable and would be a great trade for the Wolves while giving the Sixers a top 10 player that fits perfectly next to Noel.

Post #396 » by **HartfordWhalers** » Thu May 22, 2014 3:03 am

WolvesGuy14 wrote:Philly fans would you do #3, #10, Young, Richardson for Love and Martin?

Seems somewhat believable and would be a great trade for the Wolves while giving the Sixers a top 10 player that fits perfectly next to Noel.

No, Philly would stll be horrendous and Love would walk. But, I would be curiosu to see if someone can fill in these bare bones:

Cleveland: #10 and Love (and Martin?)
Philly: #1 and bad deals?
Minnesota: #3 Young (and ?)

Take that 3 and 10 for 1 offer, and even up it to include Young.
Take the 1 for Love which is an overpay, and downgrade it to 3 and Young (and ?)

Anyone make that basis work?

jayjaysee · Post #397 » by **jayjaysee** » Thu May 22, 2014 3:20 am

HartfordWhalers wrote:
WolvesGuy14 wrote:Philly fans would you do #3, #10, Young, Richardson for Love and Martin?

Seems somewhat believable and would be a great trade for the Wolves while giving the Sixers a top 10 player that fits perfectly next to Noel.

No, Philly would stll be horrendous and Love would walk. But, I would be curiosu to see if someone can fill in these bare bones:

Cleveland: #10 and Love (and Martin?)
Philly: #1 and bad deals?
Minnesota: #3 Young (and ?)

Take that 3 and 10 for 1 offer, and even up it to include Young.
Take the 1 for Love which is an overpay, and downgrade it to 3 and Young (and ?)

Anyone make that basis work?

I don't really see what else is needed there honestly.

If Cleveland is taking on Love and Martin and is happy with that with 10th, then Philly doesn't really have to take on bad deals, I guess they could take on Jack or Budinger - but I don't really think it is necessary.. If Minn wants to retool and stay talented - Thad fits the starting line up and Parker slides Brewer to the 2 spot.. If Cleveland were trying to compete and adding Martin - they might not want to dump Jack really.. And if Minnesota was trying to compete - they might not have interest in dumping anyone and might look to turn their expirings plus 13 into another talented wing player..

I think Philly could just draft Parker, then get involved in a Wallace/5 for Thad/10 complicated three teamer.. Have to find a team that wants Thad that has something Boston would want.. I can't place that team right now

I would say Orlando for Thad+a 2nd for 12 makes a lot of sense - but Orlando fans will hate that. Sac fans hate Thad next to Cousins.. Toronto feels good but 20th isn't enough value for Thad IMO.

Post #398 » by **jbk1234** » Thu May 22, 2014 4:09 am

jayjaysee wrote:
HartfordWhalers wrote:
WolvesGuy14 wrote:Philly fans would you do #3, #10, Young, Richardson for Love and Martin?

Seems somewhat believable and would be a great trade for the Wolves while giving the Sixers a top 10 player that fits perfectly next to Noel.

No, Philly would stll be horrendous and Love would walk. But, I would be curiosu to see if someone can fill in these bare bones:

Cleveland: #10 and Love (and Martin?)
Philly: #1 and bad deals?
Minnesota: #3 Young (and ?)

Take that 3 and 10 for 1 offer, and even up it to include Young.
Take the 1 for Love which is an overpay, and downgrade it to 3 and Young (and ?)

Anyone make that basis work?

I don't really see what else is needed there honestly.

If Cleveland is taking on Love and Martin and is happy with that with 10th, then Philly doesn't really have to take on bad deals, I guess they could take on Jack or Budinger - but I don't really think it is necessary.. If Minn wants to retool and stay talented - Thad fits the starting line up and Parker slides Brewer to the 2 spot.. If Cleveland were trying to compete and adding Martin - they might not want to dump Jack really.. And if Minnesota was trying to compete - they might not have interest in dumping anyone and might look to turn their expirings plus 13 into another talented wing player..

I think Philly could just draft Parker, then get involved in a Wallace/5 for Thad/10 complicated three teamer.. Have to find a team that wants Thad that has something Boston would want.. I can't place that team right now I would say Orlando for Thad+a 2nd for 12 makes a lot of sense - but Orlando fans will hate that. Sac fans hate Thad next to Cousins.. Toronto feels good but 20th isn't enough value for Thad IMO.

Cavs wouldn't take Martin. You can't play D on one team shame one the team...

JimmyTD3 · Post #399 » by **JimmyTD3** » Thu May 22, 2014 8:20 pm

Klay, Lee, 2015 1st rounder for Love. Easy

ILOVEIT · Post #400 » by **ILOVEIT** » Thu May 22, 2014 11:22 pm

DowJones wrote:Can someone explain to me why Love would re-sign with Boston? Boston certainly isn't a destination city and Love wants to win. Boston can't offer him that.

Apparently whether or not Love would resign with a depleted roster (deplete after they would have enough to make the deal...Rondo...Green?) is not relevant.