Kevin Love - Every team's best offer

LarsV8 · Post #41 » by **LarsV8** » Mon May 19, 2014 12:56 am

MoneyTalks41890 wrote:I would not make this offer, and Presti wouldn't either, but for the sake of trying to get the value down, OKC offers Ibaka, Lamb, 29 for Love.

If you don't think OKC will make the offer, I am not putting it down.

The purpose of this thread is to nail down actual legit offers, not theoretical ones that aren't reality.

TMac96 · Post #42 » by **TMac96** » Mon May 19, 2014 12:56 am

The Bulls could offer Taj, Snell, #16, #19, the Sacramento pick, and their 2016 first (or 2015 first if trade is made at the draft) for Love.

LarsV8 · Post #43 » by **LarsV8** » Mon May 19, 2014 12:57 am

Trader_Joe wrote:
LarsV8 wrote:
Sasaki wrote:There is no way the Rockets will get Kevin Love without including Chandler Parsons. None.

Thanks for not reading.

He is a rocket fan and his opinion is as valuable as yours.
Following your guidelines you should add Parsons to the Rockets offer as I'm sure he and other Rocket fans have made their case why they would include Parsons several times over the last year.

We aren't evaluating offers in this thread, merely compiling them.

Post #44 » by **jbk1234** » Mon May 19, 2014 12:58 am

TMac96 wrote:The Bulls could offer Taj, Snell, #16, #19, the Sacramento pick, and their 2016 first (or 2015 first if trade is made at the draft) for Love.

This is why I think Love will be a Bull.

Post #45 » by **MoneyTalks41890** » Mon May 19, 2014 12:58 am

LarsV8 wrote:
MoneyTalks41890 wrote:I would not make this offer, and Presti wouldn't either, but for the sake of trying to get the value down, OKC offers Ibaka, Lamb, 29 for Love.

If you don't think OKC will make the offer, I am not putting it down.

The purpose of this thread is to nail down actual legit offers, not theoretical ones that aren't reality.

Fine by me, just thought I would throw it out there that this is about what would be offered if OKC were interested, but without some major reshuffling losing Ibaka and replacing him with a scorer doesn't make a ton of sense.

Zion Wembanyama · Post #46 » by **Zion Wembanyama** » Mon May 19, 2014 1:01 am

GhostofJizzbird wrote:
Trader_Joe wrote:Nets

Unlimited supply of Vodka for all fans
Siberia
Mail-order brides for all fans
A new arena

could you throw in a couple of wolf pups as cute cuddly mascots?

Like the ones from "Game of Thrones" ?

CBA · Post #47 » by **CBA** » Mon May 19, 2014 1:01 am

Sasaki wrote:There is no way the Rockets will get Kevin Love without including Chandler Parsons. None.

I wouldn't be surprised much, if at all, if Flip Saunders is seduced by a Terrence Jones or a Harrison Barnes and the Wolves don't get much but a prospect of their talent (though obviously Jones is a good deal better than Barnes) and mediocre picks. Remember Orlando only got - or so we thought at the time - mediocre prospects, mediocre picks, and no salary relief for a player with a larger pedigree than Kevin Love. Any deal will be greatly limited by Love's "list" and the assets for sale from the teams on that list.

Devilzsidewalk · Post #48 » by **Devilzsidewalk** » Mon May 19, 2014 1:02 am

jbk1234 wrote:
TMac96 wrote:The Bulls could offer Taj, Snell, #16, #19, the Sacramento pick, and their 2016 first (or 2015 first if trade is made at the draft) for Love.

This is why I think Love will be a Bull.

You think Love will be a Bull because of Taj Gibson and a bevy of crappy draft picks? I don't get it.

Laimbeer · Post #49 » by **Laimbeer** » Mon May 19, 2014 1:08 am

I think most Piston fans would agree this is a pass.

LarsV8 · Post #50 » by **LarsV8** » Mon May 19, 2014 1:11 am

Still need a good LAL offer and maybe another GSW one as well.

RollingWave · Post #51 » by **RollingWave** » Mon May 19, 2014 1:15 am

I would personally trade Harden for Love.

I doubt Morey could do it though if only due to PR issues. But that seem to be the only trade Houston could realistically offer that make sense on paper and in terms of money.

Unless I'm mistaken, once the Rockets extend Parsons they can not trade him that soon, which makes a Parsons deal very very difficult since it would require probably both Lin and Asik involved as well.

RollingWave · Post #52 » by **RollingWave** » Mon May 19, 2014 1:17 am

Trader_Joe wrote:Nets

Unlimited supply of Vodka for all fans
Siberia
Mail-order brides for all fans
A new arena

The unlimited Vodka part seems to be intriguing..... (or rather, necessary )

sanitylaker · Post #53 » by **sanitylaker** » Mon May 19, 2014 1:25 am

Devilzsidewalk wrote:
jbk1234 wrote:
TMac96 wrote:The Bulls could offer Taj, Snell, #16, #19, the Sacramento pick, and their 2016 first (or 2015 first if trade is made at the draft) for Love.

This is why I think Love will be a Bull.

You think Love will be a Bull because of Taj Gibson and a bevy of crappy draft picks? I don't get it.

As a Minny fan, do you like any of those offers?

Houston's offer looks garbage to me. Not even including Parsons makes it laughable.

Chicago's offer is decent, but there isn't a great asset involved.

GS offer with Lee + Barnes + Klay + getting bad contracts back looks like the best offer so far IMO

Post #54 » by **Trader_Joe** » Mon May 19, 2014 1:26 am

LarsV8 wrote:
Trader_Joe wrote:
LarsV8 wrote:
Thanks for not reading.

He is a rocket fan and his opinion is as valuable as yours.
Following your guidelines you should add Parsons to the Rockets offer as I'm sure he and other Rocket fans have made their case why they would include Parsons several times over the last year.

We aren't evaluating offers in this thread, merely compiling them.

Yeah...and?
Don't see what that matters.
He is saying Parsons should be included and you said anyone could disagree. I'm sure you and he have had this discussion in the past and he's got multiple and 1s, so not sure why a case is needed. But if he did, as you said in the OP, a note would be made.

But..Basically you are saying that whoever speaks first for their team gets to have the say and they don't even have to make a case, while anyone answering later does. Not sure I get why.

Either way this fully supports my notion that Parsons IMO is easily one of the most overvalued pieces out here. A role player who doesn't play D and will probably get a major deal in one year as an unrestricted FA. He is the definition of worth more to us than you because of his familiarity with the team and recruitment of Howard. I have another theory about his value and why he is a fan favorite but will save that for a rainy day.

Sasaki · Post #55 » by **Sasaki** » Mon May 19, 2014 1:27 am

Trader_Joe wrote:
Sasaki wrote:There is no way the Rockets will get Kevin Love without including Chandler Parsons. None.

If you could explain why, the OP will gladly make note of it in the OP per his own instructions. I could even add him in as well if necessary.
Or perhaps a link to an old thread where you state why could work..or maybe even the multiple and 1s you've already received would be evidence enough.

I'm personally extremely pessimistic of Houston's chances of actually getting Love. As for a trade offer, to me the problem is given Love's caliber, as well as the fact that I think he would be an incredible fit for Howard/Harden, to me Love is a player who you throw the kitchen sink at and figure out the rest later. I'm absolutely confident that given the McHale connection as well as the chance to play with a new Big 3, Love would absolutely resign if he came to Houston.

tl;dr for Love: everything on the table but Howard/Harden. Everything. Picks, Parsons, Beverley, Jones, Asik, whatever. if you think that's too much for Love, my response is that the contract's literally the only reason you could get him for those pieces at all.

giberish · Post #56 » by **giberish** » Mon May 19, 2014 1:29 am

Warriorfan wrote:Multi part deal

David Lee for K Love

Mareese Speights nxt yr TO Barnes For Buddinger.

This is really the low-end GSW offer. I'd expect the team would at least be willing to add their 2015 1st (tradable after the draft). Probably also take back Brewer or Martin into the TPE if Minny wants them gone (though that does get expensive on the Warriors end).

The question is whether or not GS offers Klay Thompson in place of (or in addition to) Barnes. With Love a UFA in a year it's risky, so I'm not sure that the team would make that deal (though I expect they'd have to in order to have a chance at getting Love).

In summary, I'd say,

GS almost certainly offers: Lee/Barnes/Speights/2015 1st (unprotected) for Love/Buddinger (or Martin or Brewer - Minny's choice).

GS probably offers: Lee/Thompson/Speights for Love/Buddinger (or Martin or Brewer, Minny's choice).

GS might but probably doesn't offer: Lee/Thompson/Barnes for Love/Martin (and maybe Brewer).

LarsV8 · Post #57 » by **LarsV8** » Mon May 19, 2014 1:30 am

Trader_Joe wrote:Yeah...and?
Don't see what that matters.
He is saying Parsons should be included and you said anyone could disagree. I'm sure you and he have had this discussion in the past and he's got multiple and 1s, so not sure why a case is needed. But if he did, as you said in the OP, a note would be made.

But..Basically you are saying that whoever speaks first for their team gets to have the say and they don't even have to make a case, while anyone answering later does. Not sure I get why.

Either way this fully supports my notion that Parsons IMO is easily one of the most overvalued pieces out here. A role player who doesn't play D and will probably get a major deal in one year as an unrestricted FA. He is the definition of worth more to us than you because of his familiarity with the team and recruitment of Howard. I have another theory about his value and why he is a fan favorite but will save that for a rainy day.

And.....he made no offer. Merely spoke on the value of an existing offer, which is not the purpose of this thread.

If he puts down a legitimate offer, that works under the CBA, I will add it.

Basically what I am saying is what I already said in very clear terms in the original post.

42uptop · Post #58 » by **42uptop** » Mon May 19, 2014 1:31 am

Philly offers:
Thad, Noel + #10 for Love + #13

No way in hell we would do this trade

criteriado · Post #59 » by **criteriado** » Mon May 19, 2014 1:31 am

sanitylaker wrote:
Devilzsidewalk wrote:
jbk1234 wrote:

This is why I think Love will be a Bull.

You think Love will be a Bull because of Taj Gibson and a bevy of crappy draft picks? I don't get it.

As a Minny fan, do you like any of those offers?

Houston's offer looks garbage to me. Not even including Parsons makes it laughable.

Chicago's offer is decent, but there isn't a great asset involved.

GS offer with Lee + Barnes + Klay + getting bad contracts back looks like the best offer so far IMO

Klay wants to make 12 mil per year. Doesn' look great anymore. Celtics good offer (not that crap that someone posted before) could trump all of them pretty easily. Top 5 + 2 1st on next drafts would be easily the best one.

If Draymond Green is on that GSW offer instead of Barnes...Then I maybe have to think it again.

Dr Positivity · Post #60 » by **Dr Positivity** » Mon May 19, 2014 1:38 am

RollingWave wrote:I would personally trade Harden for Love.

I doubt Morey could do it though if only due to PR issues. But that seem to be the only trade Houston could realistically offer that make sense on paper and in terms of money.

Unless I'm mistaken, once the Rockets extend Parsons they can not trade him that soon, which makes a Parsons deal very very difficult since it would require probably both Lin and Asik involved as well.

That's not a crazy idea, but I wouldn't give up on HOU getting Love with non Harden and Dwight pieces

Say a trade like this:

Houston gets Kevin Love

Philadelphia gets Omer Asik, Jeremy Lin, Terrence Jones, 2016 HOU 1st

Minnesota gets Chandler Parsons, Thaddeus Young, Patrick Beverly, Donatas Motiejunas, 2014 HOU 1st, 2014 NY 2nd, 2015 NY 2nd, 2015 MIN 2nd

Obviously that may not look like a sexy trade to Wolves fans, but it depends what ownership wants. They may well see the team with 2 rounded starters in Parsons and Young and a 6th man in Beverly, as steps towards a 40 W+ team next year