Pistons Waive Josh Smith

[GopherIt!]

Sixers should sign him. It's literally the only way to make them worse.


Edit: just though of a mad genius possibility. Hinkie could claim him and then trade him to the Kings at the trade deadline for a second round pick. Just kidding about the pick.

[zapatasblood]

Do Pistons still looks to move Monroe or they keep him? Me I think this may increase his value since the Pistons are not in that big of a bind. Also think they still look to move him to start over with a blank slate.


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[HartfordWhalers]

This isn't an amnesty waiver, so there is no "bid" process as far as I know. The only way to "claim" him is to absorb his entire salary (and of course you need to have the capspace or exception space to do so).

Once he clears waivers, the Lakers can still use the DPE to offer him a contract as a free agent...or is that what you meant by "bid" in the first place? In that case, ignore this post

I guess I meant offer him a contract.

Lakers have a huge DPE and the Bucks have he most cap space.

ok now I need some clarification. as far I understood when a player gets waved other teams have the 48 hours to bid on him/claim him. with josh, if a team was to bid say 3.5 million and win then they pay that per year until the end of his contract while the pistons would still have to pay the remaining 10 mill/year. I guess I may need a wavers re-education

For amnesty, you can bid less than the entire contract. For a regular waiver, its all or nothing.

This wasn't an amnesty, so unless someone wants a 13m Josh Smth, he's a free agent.

[Texas Chuck]

I understand the rondo connection but basketball wise I am not sure this is a smart move for dallas at all. their starting forwards are locked in so you would be asking the dude to come in as a combo forward back-up off the bench. I can sort of see it working and I don't doubt Cuban would be open to the risk. just wouldn't want him at the 3 and a dirk/josh front court (as limited as it may be) concerns me.

Agree he doesn't seem like a great fit, but he's absolutely worth a min contract flier as it costs the team nothing(other than a little Cuban money and I promise he doesn't mind). I don't see Dallas ending up with him, but its very low risk considering how professional our core is.

[jbk1234]

SVG really dropped the ball in the off-season. He actually had the opportunity to trade smoove and turned it down! How mind boggling is that!

[tweet]https://twitter.com/wojyahoonba/status/547076735817494528[/tweet]

As for whichever team ends up with him, i feel bad for them. The dude is just a cancer and I don't see sny scenario where he actually brings something to the table for a contender. Anyways, my gmoney is on Houston or Dallas. Both are contenders and him and Rondo/Dwight go way back.

Utterly bungled.

So, Pistons for this years Bucks award, awarded annually to the team through no planning or intentional achievement, manage to be worse than the Sixers.

I'm not sure I agree with all of this. First, it was reported last week when Malone got fired that he weighed in against the trade for J. Smith. But even if you assume that Detroit turned it down, they already had a log jam in the front court and trading one PF for two more wasn't going to help. Particularly when one of them was Landry.

[tiderulz]

Do Pistons still looks to move Monroe or they keep him? Me I think this may increase his value since the Pistons are not in that big of a bind. Also think they still look to move him to start over with a blank slate.


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I agree, don't think Monroe really fits with drum. a stretch 4 seems like the best fit. stan had success getting to the finals once before with that type of front court (Dwight/lewis) could see stan trying it again given what he has. someone will likely start a trade thread soon in this regard.

he also had success with a Shaq/Haslem non-stretch 4 team also.

[HartfordWhalers]

SVG really dropped the ball in the off-season. He actually had the opportunity to trade smoove and turned it down! How mind boggling is that!

[tweet]https://twitter.com/wojyahoonba/status/547076735817494528[/tweet]

As for whichever team ends up with him, i feel bad for them. The dude is just a cancer and I don't see sny scenario where he actually brings something to the table for a contender. Anyways, my gmoney is on Houston or Dallas. Both are contenders and him and Rondo/Dwight go way back.

Utterly bungled.

So, Pistons for this years Bucks award, awarded annually to the team through no planning or intentional achievement, manage to be worse than the Sixers.

I'm not sure I agree with all of this. First, it was reported last week when Malone got fired that he weighed in against the trade for J. Smith. But even if you assume that Detroit turned it down, they already had a log jam in the front court and trading one PF for two more wasn't going to help. Particularly when one of them was Landry.

Eh, they could have cut both and had less deadweight salary cap for the next 5 years. So, its pretty easy to apples to apples and say it would have been better. Or kept Thompson and tried to move him. And if ESPN is right that at first it was one of them and Williams, well then we are talking about a massive difference in terms of salary.

I'm not sure how it can be disputed, it was bungled.

[cl2117]

Holy schnikes! Did not see that coming. Knew it was an option, but really didn't expect them to press the eject button on Smith (at least not just yet).

First team that comes to mind is Dallas. Rondo is a good buddy of Smith's and he just got down there. Still too surprised to really process it. Damn.

[Laimbeer]

Utterly bungled.

So, Pistons for this years Bucks award, awarded annually to the team through no planning or intentional achievement, manage to be worse than the Sixers.

I'm not sure I agree with all of this. First, it was reported last week when Malone got fired that he weighed in against the trade for J. Smith. But even if you assume that Detroit turned it down, they already had a log jam in the front court and trading one PF for two more wasn't going to help. Particularly when one of them was Landry.

Eh, they could have cut both and had less deadweight salary cap for the next 5 years. So, its pretty easy to apples to apples and say it would have been better. Or kept Thompson and tried to move him. And if ESPN is right that at first it was one of them and Williams, well then we are talking about a massive difference in terms of salary.

I'm not sure how it can be disputed, it was bungled.

I think after he realized how little he would get this past summer, SVG decided to see what he could do with Smith. I was interested to see that as well. Now it apparently has become obvious to him Smith won't ever work out, so he's cutting his losses.

[Scoot McGroot]

This isn't an amnesty waiver, so there is no "bid" process as far as I know. The only way to "claim" him is to absorb his entire salary (and of course you need to have the capspace or exception space to do so).

Once he clears waivers, the Lakers can still use the DPE to offer him a contract as a free agent...or is that what you meant by "bid" in the first place? In that case, ignore this post

I guess I meant offer him a contract.

Lakers have a huge DPE and the Bucks have he most cap space.

ok now I need some clarification. as far I understood when a player gets waved other teams have the 48 hours to bid on him/claim him. with josh, if a team was to bid say 3.5 million and win then they pay that per year until the end of his contract while the pistons would still have to pay the remaining 10 mill/year. I guess I may need a wavers re-education

Waivers are different than the amnesty. On waivers, you can only choose to claim the whole contract, not bid on part. Only during the amnesty week in the summer (which is now essentially permanently over as I'm not sure anyone is still eligible this next summer to be amnestied) are there "bids" on guys.


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[zapatasblood]

https://twitter.com/wojyahoonba/status/ ... 0207811584

With this tweet if true I have lost a lot of faith in Morey unless he wanted a first in return but still makes me sick to my stomach


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[midgman8421]

No team needs cap space for Smoove--he gets paid his full salary the next two years.

He'll sign with a contender for the minimum. I'd guess that Houston is the leader out of the gate.

[tiderulz]

I agree, don't think Monroe really fits with drum. a stretch 4 seems like the best fit. stan had success getting to the finals once before with that type of front court (Dwight/lewis) could see stan trying it again given what he has. someone will likely start a trade thread soon in this regard.

he also had success with a Shaq/Haslem non-stretch 4 team also.

yeah he did. so are you saying drum could have a similar impact on this league? and who would the wade version be on the pistons? don't see drum having a shaq type career, closer to a Dwight with a few DPOYs. my humble opinion though. for what the pistons/drum are right now i think a stretch 4 is best

Just saying he isnt married to 1 type of line up, of a stretch-4 only.

[blind prophet]

SVG really dropped the ball in the off-season. He actually had the opportunity to trade smoove and turned it down! How mind boggling is that!

[tweet]https://twitter.com/wojyahoonba/status/547076735817494528[/tweet]

As for whichever team ends up with him, i feel bad for them. The dude is just a cancer and I don't see sny scenario where he actually brings something to the table for a contender. Anyways, my gmoney is on Houston or Dallas. Both are contenders and him and Rondo/Dwight go way back.

"The team (5-23) has been actively shopping Smith the last few weeks, but the only interest came from the Sacramento Kings, who were asking for a first-round pick to take Smith. The Pistons countered with the possibility of a protected first-rounder in a few seasons or a second-round pick"

http://www.freep.com/story/sports/nba/p ... /20760861/

So the deal was

Jarl Thompandry for Smith and a first this whole time.

[loserX]

SVG really dropped the ball in the off-season. He actually had the opportunity to trade smoove and turned it down! How mind boggling is that!

[tweet]https://twitter.com/wojyahoonba/status/547076735817494528[/tweet]

As for whichever team ends up with him, i feel bad for them. The dude is just a cancer and I don't see sny scenario where he actually brings something to the table for a contender. Anyways, my gmoney is on Houston or Dallas. Both are contenders and him and Rondo/Dwight go way back.

"The team (5-23) has been actively shopping Smith the last few weeks, but the only interest came from the Sacramento Kings, who were asking for a first-round pick to take Smith. The Pistons countered with the possibility of a protected first-rounder in a few seasons or a second-round pick"

http://www.freep.com/story/sports/nba/p ... /20760861/

So the deal was

Jarl Thompandry for Smith and a first this whole time.

Stein's tweets basically tell this story:
- Kings approached SVG in June offering Thompson and Derrick Williams.
- SVG said "no, I want to try coaching Josh before I dump him."
- As time went on, Sacramento pulled Williams and put Landry in instead.

At what point the pick entered the conversation isn't clear...not sure if it was from the get-go or got inserted as Smith's value dropped.

[tidho]

It's true.

It's on ESPN now.

That combination of sentences just made me laugh.
In this case though, absolutely correct.

[blind prophet]

SVG really dropped the ball in the off-season. He actually had the opportunity to trade smoove and turned it down! How mind boggling is that!

[tweet]https://twitter.com/wojyahoonba/status/547076735817494528[/tweet]

As for whichever team ends up with him, i feel bad for them. The dude is just a cancer and I don't see sny scenario where he actually brings something to the table for a contender. Anyways, my gmoney is on Houston or Dallas. Both are contenders and him and Rondo/Dwight go way back.

"The team (5-23) has been actively shopping Smith the last few weeks, but the only interest came from the Sacramento Kings, who were asking for a first-round pick to take Smith. The Pistons countered with the possibility of a protected first-rounder in a few seasons or a second-round pick"

http://www.freep.com/story/sports/nba/p ... /20760861/

So the deal was

Jarl Thompandry for Smith and a first this whole time.

Stein's tweets basically tell this story:
- Kings approached SVG in June offering Thompson and Derrick Williams.
- SVG said "no, I want to try coaching Josh before I dump him."
- As time went on, Sacramento pulled Williams and put Landry in instead.

At what point the pick entered the conversation isn't clear...not sure if it was from the get-go or got inserted as Smith's value dropped.

"Kings original offers to Detroit in June featured Jason Thompson/Derrick Williams. Subsequent pitches involved Landry subbed in for Williams"

Ok I see the Stein tweet now.

Interesting, I think the Detroit fans should know of the first at least at the end of the deal, those who may have a problem using the stretch may not after seeing that. Also the Kings fans may have more respect for their FO seeing the Kings option, and refusing for anything less.

[sportscrazy]

I assume when the Knicks realize the only way to dump J.R. Smith is by attaching a young asset (Hardaway Jr. most likely) that he will be stretch provisioned as well.

[DowNY]

I assume when the Knicks realize the only way to dump J.R. Smith is by attaching a young asset (Hardaway Jr. most likely) that he will be stretch provisioned as well.

No.
Less years & way cheaper than Josh Smith.

[rpa]

At what point the pick entered the conversation isn't clear...not sure if it was from the get-go or got inserted as Smith's value dropped.

I wonder if the Kings saw how bad Smith had been and how few teams wanted him and just smelled blood in the water. It's hard to think that the Pistons wouldn't come back to the Kings before releasing him. Kings probably said "oh, that deals off the table--now you need to add a 1st and take garbage". Sadly it looks like they may have overplayed their hand and will almost certainly "lose" out to Smith to another team.