Raptors/Celtics/Rockets ... Nba's elite GM's strike a deal!

[Dukenukem23]

Elite GM's???

And so: Ujiri got value for Melo and later Bargnani when he had little to no leverage in either deal.
"He took two tough situations where he was perhaps at a disadvantageno I and actually turned them in his favor," said Spurs GM R.C. Buford. "He handled the Denver situation better than anyone could've imagined. Masai is in an elite group. His ability to read people is probably unmatched."

I think I'll take the opinion of one of the greatest basketball minds ever over your own, tyvm.

You just got owned, troll

[HartfordWhalers]

I think I'll take the opinion of one of the greatest basketball minds ever over your own, tyvm.

You just got owned, troll

Lets not call people trolls. Thanks.

[Dukenukem23]

You just got owned, troll

Lets not call people trolls. Thanks.

How should we refer to these people that act like trolls?

[HartfordWhalers]

You just got owned, troll

Lets not call people trolls. Thanks.

How should we refer to these people that act like trolls?

If you think someone is trolling and not just disagreeing with you, feel free to use the report post function. Thanks.

[Patsfan1081]

No for Houston, they don't have enough room for Sullinger.







This is a fat joke.

Sully is actually skinny again, I'm not holding my breath that he'll keep it off. Sullingers value is really low, he was a top ten rebounder at pf his second year in the league. I would hold on to him and see if he can stay healthy for at last half the season and see if he can raise his value. He's still only 24. I also wouldn't move that Brooklyn pick with how desperate Boston is for a star and the draft seems likely their best bet to find one.

[Patsfan1081]

Sullinger is terrible, no interest whatsoever.

Both Val and Sullinger are the same age and play the same minutes. I like Val more because he is a big center without the injuries(though his defense pus me off), but to say Sullinger sucks is just a dumb statement. Val put up 11.3/8.8 his soph season and Sullinger put up 13.3/8.1. I would rather take my chance on Sullinger being healthy then give up the Brooklyn pick.

[LarsV8]

Both Val and Sullinger are the same age and play the same minutes. I like Val more because he is a big center without the injuries(though his defense pus me off), but to say Sullinger sucks is just a dumb statement. Val put up 11.3/8.8 his soph season and Sullinger put up 13.3/8.1. I would rather take my chance on Sullinger being healthy then give up the Brooklyn pick.

No, its not a dumb statement.

Jared Sullinger is not a good basketball player, period. I realize Boston fan's want him to be good, as a prized trade asset, but he just isn't. It doesn't matter where he was drafted, or how highly touted he was as a college basketball player. As an NBA player, he just sucks.

To compare him to Jonas is dishonest. Jonas is actually a decent player with upside. Sullinger is out of shape, undersized, and has a questionable injury history. If you really want to go into comparing numbers, you have to look at more than raw numbers, especially if you are going to call people's statements dumb.



Jonas destroys Sullinger across the board. Absurdly more efficient, gets to the line more, better offensive and defensive rebounder, blocks more shots, etc. etc. The only positives about Sullinger is he turns the ball over slightly less, and facilitates a bit more. Across 100 possessions, he needs more than 6 additional shots to outscore Jonas. That is absolutely ridiculous. Why is he taking 3 3pters per game at 28% efficiency. Is he stupid?

Jared Sullinger is this generations Big Baby Davis, with far more injury concerns. He has no value and is on his way to being a vet minimum player. No competent team is going to trade anything of value for him.

[Dukenukem23]

Sullinger is terrible, no interest whatsoever.

Both Val and Sullinger are the same age and play the same minutes. I like Val more because he is a big center without the injuries(though his defense pus me off), but to say Sullinger sucks is just a dumb statement. Val put up 11.3/8.8 his soph season and Sullinger put up 13.3/8.1. I would rather take my chance on Sullinger being healthy then give up the Brooklyn pick.

Ya sully definitely doesn't suck. I think it's fair to say he's obese and has a bad back though which greatly diminish his value. Never the less I still think he is a very solid bench big that is capable of making a sizable impact on the game. I've seen him go God mode on the raps a few times snatching up every loose ball and even nailing threes.

Value wise Valanciunas has the edge by a considerable margin. No injury history,great teammate and no weight issues. Plays at a position of weakness in the nba and he has incredible length. He's only 23 so his defense wipl get better and when it does he will breakout. Of course I don't see it happening under casey since he doesn't like bigs that so anything but defend.

That Brooklyn pick could easily be late lottery, so if a trade like this with such an unknown pick weren't to happen I'd be fine with it. The prize for me here is Terrence jones. I think he's going to be very special and he fits our team like a glove.

[Trader_Joe]

Most pundits and fans, including Net fans, see this team is a 30 win team, bottom 7 or so overall with little chance at the PO. Losing D.Will was big as he is replaced by Jack who has had one of the worst +/- 3 years running. I think there is a better chance the pick ends up top 3 then I do the Nets make the PO. With Lopez we see ourselves a 30 win team...without him OR JJ OR maybe even Thad things could get devastatingly uglier.

If I'm Boston, I don't touch this.

[basketballwacko2]

double post.

[basketballwacko2]

Lets not call people trolls. Thanks.

How should we refer to these people that act like trolls?

If you think someone is trolling and not just disagreeing with you, feel free to use the report post function. Thanks.

Does it make me a troll to think that the thread title is funny. The 3 GM's in the deal are ok but not elite. Duke things the Toronto GM is elite because he fleeced the Knicks? Hell I could do that. And that trade with the Bucks for Greivis Vasquez only shows that the Bucks must be crazy. Elite GM's win titles, their teams don't belly flop in the playoffs. I granted that Ainge did win one a few years back but the other 2 have nothing.

Elite GM's are Bob Myers at Golden State and "R. C." Buford of the Spurs, those guys win titles and will likely win some in the future.

That's all I'm gonna say about this because I don't want to Jack this thread.

[brackdan70]

Both Val and Sullinger are the same age and play the same minutes. I like Val more because he is a big center without the injuries(though his defense pus me off), but to say Sullinger sucks is just a dumb statement. Val put up 11.3/8.8 his soph season and Sullinger put up 13.3/8.1. I would rather take my chance on Sullinger being healthy then give up the Brooklyn pick.

No, its not a dumb statement.

Jared Sullinger is not a good basketball player, period. I realize Boston fan's want him to be good, as a prized trade asset, but he just isn't. It doesn't matter where he was drafted, or how highly touted he was as a college basketball player. As an NBA player, he just sucks.

To compare him to Jonas is dishonest. Jonas is actually a decent player with upside. Sullinger is out of shape, undersized, and has a questionable injury history. If you really want to go into comparing numbers, you have to look at more than raw numbers, especially if you are going to call people's statements dumb.



Jonas destroys Sullinger across the board. Absurdly more efficient, gets to the line more, better offensive and defensive rebounder, blocks more shots, etc. etc. The only positives about Sullinger is he turns the ball over slightly less, and facilitates a bit more. Across 100 possessions, he needs more than 6 additional shots to outscore Jonas. That is absolutely ridiculous. Why is he taking 3 3pters per game at 28% efficiency. Is he stupid?

Jared Sullinger is this generations Big Baby Davis, with far more injury concerns. He has no value and is on his way to being a vet minimum player. No competent team is going to trade anything of value for him.

Not saying Sully is better than Val but the most important stats in there IMO are BPM and VORP. Saying he is a future minimum guy is a little harsh and uninformed.

[Dukenukem23]

How should we refer to these people that act like trolls?

If you think someone is trolling and not just disagreeing with you, feel free to use the report post function. Thanks.

Does it make me a troll to think that the thread title is funny. The 3 GM's in the deal are ok but not elite. Duke things the Toronto GM is elite because he fleeced the Knicks? Hell I could do that. And that trade with the Bucks for Greivis Vasquez only shows that the Bucks must be crazy. Elite GM's win titles, their teams don't belly flop in the playoffs. I granted that Ainge did win one a few years back but the other 2 have nothing.

Elite GM's are Bob Myers at Golden State and "R. C." Buford of the Spurs, those guys win titles and will likely win some in the future.

That's all I'm gonna say about this because I don't want to Jack this thread.

My point was that your opinion has no bearing. One of the gm 's you mentioned, rc Buford agree with me and has gone on record as saying Masai is an elite gm. I thunk he knows more about basketball than you do wacko.

You clearly know little of Masais past history if you can only name two moves he's made. Alot more goes into putting together a championship team than just the gm duties, which is why I think your argument is silly. It's similar to some of the all time nba greats like Steve Nash,Karl Malone and Charles Barkley who never won a championship. That doesn't mean they weren't elite now does it? Barkley was an MVP of the entire league as was Nash,twice!

Anyways keep laughing your only making yourself look silly.

[LarsV8]

Not saying Sully is better than Val but the most important stats in there IMO are BPM and VORP. Saying he is a future minimum guy is a little harsh and uninformed.

Not really.

He may con a desperate team into a MLE deal, but he is no more than the 8th or 9th best player on a championship team. Like a said, he is probably another Big Baby Davis.

Can you name me anything he is good at?

[Dukenukem23]

Not saying Sully is better than Val but the most important stats in there IMO are BPM and VORP. Saying he is a future minimum guy is a little harsh and uninformed.

Not really.

He may con a desperate team into a MLE deal, but he is no more than the 8th or 9th best player on a championship team. Like a said, he is probably another Big Baby Davis.

Can you name me anything he is good at?

Good at boxing out and rebounding. Good mid range game.

[Dukenukem23]

Most pundits and fans, including Net fans, see this team is a 30 win team, bottom 7 or so overall with little chance at the PO. Losing D.Will was big as he is replaced by Jack who has had one of the worst +/- 3 years running. I think there is a better chance the pick ends up top 3 then I do the Nets make the PO. With Lopez we see ourselves a 30 win team...without him OR JJ OR maybe even Thad things could get devastatingly uglier.

If I'm Boston, I don't touch this.

If the nets are actually going to be as bad as you say then there are vert few players Ainge would deal the pick for, but I have a hard time believing you will be that bad. I see them as top 10 bad but noworse

[brackdan70]

Not saying Sully is better than Val but the most important stats in there IMO are BPM and VORP. Saying he is a future minimum guy is a little harsh and uninformed.

Not really.

He may con a desperate team into a MLE deal, but he is no more than the 8th or 9th best player on a championship team. Like a said, he is probably another Big Baby Davis.

Can you name me anything he is good at?

good rebounder, scorer, foot work, nice mid range and post up game, better than average D, plays hard. if you don't realize the guy can play you haven't been watching.

[Trader_Joe]

Most pundits and fans, including Net fans, see this team is a 30 win team, bottom 7 or so overall with little chance at the PO. Losing D.Will was big as he is replaced by Jack who has had one of the worst +/- 3 years running. I think there is a better chance the pick ends up top 3 then I do the Nets make the PO. With Lopez we see ourselves a 30 win team...without him OR JJ OR maybe even Thad things could get devastatingly uglier.

If I'm Boston, I don't touch this.

If the nets are actually going to be as bad as you say then there are vert few players Ainge would deal the pick for, but I have a hard time believing you will be that bad. I see them as top 10 bad but noworse

Like I said most experts, fans on here and Net fans everywhere expect roughly 30 wins and a bottom 7 record. The only that people that don't, seem to be those trying to pry the Brooklyn pick away from Boston. Deron Williams to Jack/Larkin is a MAJOR downgrade. D.Will's +/- was rather extreme. Not the PG he used to be but he became underrated. Losing Anderson, Mirza and Plumlee could be tough losses as well considering their replacements are all young and unproven....or terrible like Bargnani.

If I'm Boston I take the real chance on getting into the top 3 over Jonas V. any day of the week.

[Dukenukem23]

Most pundits and fans, including Net fans, see this team is a 30 win team, bottom 7 or so overall with little chance at the PO. Losing D.Will was big as he is replaced by Jack who has had one of the worst +/- 3 years running. I think there is a better chance the pick ends up top 3 then I do the Nets make the PO. With Lopez we see ourselves a 30 win team...without him OR JJ OR maybe even Thad things could get devastatingly uglier.

If I'm Boston, I don't touch this.

If the nets are actually going to be as bad as you say then there are vert few players Ainge would deal the pick for, but I have a hard time believing you will be that bad. I see them as top 10 bad but noworse

Like I said most experts, fans on here and Net fans everywhere expect roughly 30 wins and a bottom 7 record. The only that people that don't, seem to be those trying to pry the Brooklyn pick away from Boston. Deron Williams to Jack/Larkin is a MAJOR downgrade. D.Will's +/- was rather extreme. Not the PG he used to be but he became underrated. Losing Anderson, Mirza and Plumlee could be tough losses as well considering their replacements are all young and unproven....or terrible like Bargnani.

If I'm Boston I take the real chance on getting into the top 3 over Jonas V. any day of the week.

Yeah, just took a look at your updated depth chart and it's not pretty. I think I understated how terrible your team is. I could only find 3 teams I know for certain your better than. The one thing you do have is Lionel Hollins. He is a very good coach, capable of getting a team to over achieve. So while this looks like a **** tank team they may in fact win more than they should since.they don't own a pick to even.bother tanking for. I'm going to stick with my top ten prediction but wouldn't be surprised if you were right also.

Can't say I'd blame Boston fans for not wanting to give that pick up for Val. like any draft pick however there is a lot of risk in drafting a bust and Jv is at least proven to be a solid player and he fits in very well with bostons core group of players.

[LarsV8]

Good at boxing out and rebounding. Good mid range game.

good rebounder, scorer, foot work, nice mid range and post up game, better than average D, plays hard. if you don't realize the guy can play you haven't been watching.

Sullinger
ORB% - 10.1 (41st in the league)
DRB% - 20.9 (47th in the league)
TFB% - 15.4 (47th in the league)

Ortg - 106 (~140th in the league)

Of players who played more than 1000 minutes.

I have been watching. Stats confirm the eye test. Not a good rebounder, abysmal scorer.

Just not a good player.