Trade ideas for Derrick Rose

[Xman]

If CHI moves Rose (21.3) and taj (8.95) - their cap space is huge next year.

2016/17
Butler 17.5
Pau 7.8 player option
Mirotic 5.8
Dunleavy 4.8
McD 2.5
Snell 2.4
Portis 1.4
total - about $42.5

Cap is going to about $87 mil next year then $108 mil - I think that is the numbers.

$45 mil could get a couple of guys on big contracts for one year (Then they can sign larger deals the next year).

[sportscrazy]

Any one see this yet?

http://nba.nbcsports.com/2015/11/04/brian-windhorst-derrick-rose-breakup-with-the-bulls-has-begun/

Once this report gets out and there's an overreaction on this board, can we keep it to this thread?

[jbk1234]

Bulls trade: Rose, Gibson, SAC 1st, CHI 1st
Bulls receive: Collison, McLemore, Landry, Canaan

Sixers trade: Landry, Canaan, Wroten
Sixers receive: Rose, SAC 1st, CHI 1st

Kings trade: Collison, McLemore
Kings receive: Gibson, Wroten

Awful for the Kings.

[jbk1234]

There is no way Philly is swapping Landry for Rose without incentives.

Agreed.

And to a much lessor degree Dallas isn't turning the very useful Harris and a bargain big man into Landry for just a couple late distant 2nds either. One can argue if they should or not, but the FO definitely wouldn't do this.

Yeah that's bad for Dallas. All these Philly trades with a third team are short changing the third team.

[jbk1234]

It's going to be really difficult to do during the season. A team like Utah might take him once they have the cap space next summer but they don't really have bad or mediocre contracts to send back. Brooklyn has Lopez's contract and I tried to put together one where he would go to Portland for Kaman and Jack would go to Chicago for Rose but I don't see how the Nets are better after that trade. I think the Nets are considerable worse if they swap Johnson for Rose and they just paid D. Will a bunch of money to go play for another team. The Knicks would have to add the other Lopez to Calderon to make the salaries work and they'd be worse off for doing so.

It's going to be difficult and it might cost the Bulls more than they should part with.

[sportscrazy]

I see the best fit being Brooklyn. They have a desperate need to get better (in order to avoid those picks going to the Celtics being a total disaster), add replacement draft picks and have the expiring contract to match Derrick Rose's in Joe Johnson.

[jbk1234]

I see the best fit being Brooklyn. They have a desperate need to get better (in order to avoid those picks going to the Celtics being a total disaster), add replacement draft picks and have the expiring contract to match Derrick Rose's in Joe Johnson.

If the Nets trade Joe Johnson for Derrick Rose than the Celtics really should throw something in because that Nets pick will be a lock to be top 5.

[Kings2013]

Yeah I saw that as a good fit, too, but I wonder if the Bulls would prefer more cap space in 2016. Especially in the deals where they get Joe Johnson that keeps them competitive this season and gives them cap space.

Well, they'd still have plenty of cap space. And it would give them one less hole to fill. I don't disagree that they might not rather just have more cap space. Just thought Charlotte made sense as a partner, but they would have to deal Kemba to make it work for them.

Yeah it's really a matter of Chicago's preference in this hypothetical situation because the value is there in the Charlotte deal.

The more I do think about it, though, I could really see things leading up to this being one of those "out of nowhere" deals where the Bulls trade Derrick Rose at the trade deadline. I definitely would see the favorites if such a situation were to develop being Brooklyn, Charlotte, Philadelphia or Sacramento.

Rose's situation is 100% redundant with Rondo's IMO. The Kings are trying to rejuvenate the career of a 2010 top 5 PG now, one who they have specifically chosen as a fit and who is in top shape

[sportscrazy]

I see the best fit being Brooklyn. They have a desperate need to get better (in order to avoid those picks going to the Celtics being a total disaster), add replacement draft picks and have the expiring contract to match Derrick Rose's in Joe Johnson.

If the Nets trade Joe Johnson for Derrick Rose than the Celtics really should throw something in because that Nets pick will be a lock to be top 5.

It clearly wouldn't be a straight up deal, but still as a base of the deal it works.

[jbk1234]

I see the best fit being Brooklyn. They have a desperate need to get better (in order to avoid those picks going to the Celtics being a total disaster), add replacement draft picks and have the expiring contract to match Derrick Rose's in Joe Johnson.

If the Nets trade Joe Johnson for Derrick Rose than the Celtics really should throw something in because that Nets pick will be a lock to be top 5.

It clearly wouldn't be a straight up deal, but still as a base of the deal it works.

I mean the inclusion of B. Portis would the start of the discussion from the Nets perspective. Phantom (Kings pick) or late first round picks isn't enough of an incentive.

[sportscrazy]

If the Nets trade Joe Johnson for Derrick Rose than the Celtics really should throw something in because that Nets pick will be a lock to be top 5.

It clearly wouldn't be a straight up deal, but still as a base of the deal it works.

I mean the inclusion of B. Portis would the start of the discussion from the Nets perspective. Phantom (Kings pick) or late first round picks isn't enough of an incentive.

Is the median performance for Joe Johnson that much better than Derrick Rose that Bobby Portis would need to be included? The upside performance of both clearly favors Derrick Rose. I'm genuinely asking because I haven't really watched much of Joe Johnson and Derrick Rose to rate how their average performance compares.

[jbk1234]

It clearly wouldn't be a straight up deal, but still as a base of the deal it works.

I mean the inclusion of B. Portis would the start of the discussion from the Nets perspective. Phantom (Kings pick) or late first round picks isn't enough of an incentive.

Is the median performance for Joe Johnson that much better than Derrick Rose that Bobby Portis would need to be included? The upside performance of both clearly favors Derrick Rose. I'm genuinely asking because I haven't really watched much of Joe Johnson and Derrick Rose to rate how their average performance compares.

I would say in terms of getting points on the board yes. The Nets have two guys who can create their own shot and they'd be trading one of them. When you go from two scorers in your starting unit to just one, that impacts the entire team. The Bulls can overcome bad shooting performances from Rose but the Nets would have no prayer of overcoming his tendency to revert to chucking outside shots. Plus, Rose would be unhappy getting traded to the Nets and Rose hasn't been known for keeping his thoughts to himself when he's unhappy. Finally, Rose has an extra year on his contract so a buyout would be costly considering the fact that the Nets are paying D. Will to play for Dallas right now.

[Village Idiot]

Chicago trades:

Derrick Rose
2016 1st from Sacramento

Chicago receives:

Jarrett Jack

The Bulls start a fresh and get well below the luxury tax.

Brooklyn trades:

Jarrett Jack
Joe Johnson

Brooklyn receives:

Derrick Rose
Gerald Henderson

Brooklyn takes a chance on Derrick Rose regaining superstar form.

Portland trades:

Gerald Henderson

Portland receives:

Joe Johnson
2016 1st from Sacramento via Chicago
protected for selections 1-10 in 2016 and 1-10 in 2017; if Sacramento has not conveyed a 1st round pick to Chicago by 2017, then Sacramento will instead convey its 2017 2nd round pick to Chicago protected for selections 56-60 (if this pick falls within its protected range and is therefore not conveyed, then Sacramento's obligation to Chicago will be extinguished)

Portland takes on $19 million in salary in return for the Kings pick. Being well under the minimum salary threshold it has little effect on cash flow. Johnson is bought out so he can go to a contender.

[sportscrazy]

I think the best bet is to keep it simple and not include teams that don't necessarily need to be. If taking on Taj Gibson and letting Detroit outright get rid of the final $8 Million of Brandon Jennings contract landed the Nets an extra draft pick then I see...

Brooklyn gets: Derrick Rose, Taj Gibson, 2016 Sacramento Kings Conditional First Round Draft Pick, 2016 Top Three Protected Chicago Bulls First Round Draft Pick and 2018 Chicago Bulls Lottery Protected First Round Draft Pick

Chicago gets: Joe Johnson and Brandon Jennings

Detroit gets: Traded Player Exception

[Draz3n]

Nice and simple...

Bulls trade : Derrick Rose + Taj Gibson + 1st rd SAC pick
Nets trade: Joe Johnson + Jarrett Jack

Coming from a Nets fan this is an easy yes. Yes we do lose around $30m of the $40m cap space we have next year, but the FA class isn't that strong, and we do get better this season. Jack is 'sneaky' bad, and Joe has been awful this season so i could care less if they get traded. The 1st rd pick is the cherry on top, wonderful.

Derrick Rose in Brooklyn could help with the lack of fan support, and Taj Gibson was born in Brooklyn so he'd help too. Goood move for the Nets on, and off the court.

[bucksfansince88]

Bucks offer MCW, Mayo, Plumlee or Mayo,Vasquez, Top 10 Protected pick in 17' draft for Rose and Mcdermott/portis

[jbk1234]

Bucks offer MCW, Mayo, Plumlee or Mayo,Vasquez, Top 10 Protected pick in 17' draft for Rose and Mcdermott/portis

Yeah that's too much for the Bulls to give up. I could see them adding McDermott or Portis but not both. Frankly, if the Nets would really take Rose/Gibson/Sack pick for Johnson/Jack, that's a trade that makes some sense.

[bucksfansince88]

Bucks offer MCW, Mayo, Plumlee or Mayo,Vasquez, Top 10 Protected pick in 17' draft for Rose and Mcdermott/portis

Yeah that's too much for the Bulls to give up. I could see them adding McDermott or Portis but not both. Frankly, if the Nets would really take Rose/Gibson/Sack pick for Johnson/Jack, that's a trade that makes some sense.

I meant either Portis or Mcdermott whoever they wanted to include

[basketballwacko2]

Jazz offer you cap and maybe Trey Burke for the favor of taking his contract off your hands.

I don't see a way to make that work under the cap Rose's contract is $20 million Burke's is $2.6. Even if you add Booker at $4.8 it still doesn't work. The Jazz would have to start putting in more people like Alec Burks to make it work.

[basketballwacko2]

It's a stretch on the Nets end but

Chicago trades:
Derrick Rose
Higher of SAC, CHI 2016 1sts

Brooklyn trades:
Joe Johnson

Brooklyn gets into the draft and takers a prayer on Rose's health since somehow getting an all-star version of Rose is probably the only way to escape the death spiral they're otherwise headed on the rest of this decade. The plan becomes 2017 free agency instead of 2016 free agency

That's one possibility when you start talking about big contracts like Rose's $20 million. I don't think the Bulls will want to part with that Kings pick.