BOS-NYK-CLE-LAC (you guessed it)

[brackdan70]

The value for Carmelo is absolutely atrocious. The #23 pick? I mean come on thats just terrible. Everyone keeps saying how bad his contract is but he is about to make the same amount of money as NIc Batum and possibly only $5M more than Bismack Biyombo.... It would start with the Bkn pick

Batum is better and younger than Melo at this point. I will agree he has more Value than a late first though....but not much more.

[Reign23]

The value for Carmelo is absolutely atrocious. The #23 pick? I mean come on thats just terrible. Everyone keeps saying how bad his contract is but he is about to make the same amount of money as NIc Batum and possibly only $5M more than Bismack Biyombo.... It would start with the Bkn pick

Batum is better and younger than Melo at this point. I will agree he has more Value than a late first though....but not much more.

batum is absolutely not better than carmelo anthony, are you kidding me?

[Knickfan1982]

The question isn't about whether Carmelo is a good player or not. The trade proposed assumes that he is good enough to build a championship team upon, so there is no argument.

The question you should be asking yourself is whether Carmelo on the Knicks locking down 26M of your cap is a good idea or not, and if it's not, where can he be sent. Just as there is a dearth of players like Anthony, there aren't many teams that are in win-now mode. With Bosh out and Miami almost entirely bereft of assets, Cleveland, OKC, Spurs, Clippers, Golden State, Boston, and Chicago would be your best choices to dump his contract. That's not a big market for a 26M player.

Suppose you could choose between:

#16
Terry Rozier
James Young
Amir Johnson

or

#16
Marcus Smart
Amir Johnson

Would that entice you?

First of all, the argument isn't whether or not Carmelo is good enough to build a championship around its whether or not the Knicks should trade him for chump change. The answer is clearly no. Its a better off than the original proposal since Evan Turner couldn't be included.

As for your offers, no. Neither are particularly enticing. If we had to pick one or risk being saddled with an unhappy Melo then I'd pick the second deal. Smart has more upside than Rozier, has been more productive and they are the same age.

[brackdan70]

The value for Carmelo is absolutely atrocious. The #23 pick? I mean come on thats just terrible. Everyone keeps saying how bad his contract is but he is about to make the same amount of money as NIc Batum and possibly only $5M more than Bismack Biyombo.... It would start with the Bkn pick

Batum is better and younger than Melo at this point. I will agree he has more Value than a late first though....but not much more.

batum is absolutely not better than carmelo anthony, are you kidding me?

Not talking about the past here.

just ask anybody who you want on your team for the next 2-3 years. Batum vs Carmelo.

[Reign23]

Batum is better and younger than Melo at this point. I will agree he has more Value than a late first though....but not much more.

batum is absolutely not better than carmelo anthony, are you kidding me?

Not talking about the past here.

just ask anybody who you want on your team for the next 2-3 years. Batum vs Carmelo.

carmelo, every day and twice on sundays.

[Jwduff]

Batum is better and younger than Melo at this point. I will agree he has more Value than a late first though....but not much more.

batum is absolutely not better than carmelo anthony, are you kidding me?

Not talking about the past here.

just ask anybody who you want on your team for the next 2-3 years. Batum vs Carmelo.

How is Batum better than Carmelo exactly? Also, Batum will likely be making the same money as Melo this offseason so the cheaper argument cant be made

[brackdan70]

batum is absolutely not better than carmelo anthony, are you kidding me?

Not talking about the past here.

just ask anybody who you want on your team for the next 2-3 years. Batum vs Carmelo.

How is Batum better than Carmelo exactly? Also, Batum will likely be making the same money as Melo this offseason so the cheaper argument cant be made

Like I said, we are talking about value right? Batum is in his prime, Melo is in his decline.

Career stats here. TS% for Melo 0.545, BPM for Melo 1.5, Ortg 108, Drtg 107
Batum Career TS% is 0.565, BPM 2.9, Ortg 111, Drtg 107

Most likely, Batum can put together 3 or 4 more seasons around his career averages, I would be surprised if Melo could match his career averages ever again.

[Knickfan1982]

Not talking about the past here.

just ask anybody who you want on your team for the next 2-3 years. Batum vs Carmelo.

How is Batum better than Carmelo exactly? Also, Batum will likely be making the same money as Melo this offseason so the cheaper argument cant be made

Like I said, we are talking about value right? Batum is in his prime, Melo is in his decline.

Career stats here. TS% for Melo 0.545, BPM for Melo 1.5, Ortg 108, Drtg 107
Batum Career TS% is 0.565, BPM 2.9, Ortg 111, Drtg 107

Most likely, Batum can put together 3 or 4 more seasons around his career averages, I would be surprised if Melo could match his career averages ever again.

I don't think Batum would have much difficulty putting together 3 or 4 more seasons of his career averages. Its just a shame that those career averages are decidedly average and not worth the max money he's going to earn.

[brackdan70]

How is Batum better than Carmelo exactly? Also, Batum will likely be making the same money as Melo this offseason so the cheaper argument cant be made

Like I said, we are talking about value right? Batum is in his prime, Melo is in his decline.

Career stats here. TS% for Melo 0.545, BPM for Melo 1.5, Ortg 108, Drtg 107
Batum Career TS% is 0.565, BPM 2.9, Ortg 111, Drtg 107

Most likely, Batum can put together 3 or 4 more seasons around his career averages, I would be surprised if Melo could match his career averages ever again.

I don't think Batum would have much difficulty putting together 3 or 4 more seasons of his career averages. Its just a shame that those career averages are decidedly average and not worth the max money he's going to earn.

I don't disagree with that, but i am just comparing his value to Melo's

[FrontPageNews]

I like how you just throw in Wade signing with the cavs for the MLE

[Knickfan1982]

Like I said, we are talking about value right? Batum is in his prime, Melo is in his decline.

Career stats here. TS% for Melo 0.545, BPM for Melo 1.5, Ortg 108, Drtg 107
Batum Career TS% is 0.565, BPM 2.9, Ortg 111, Drtg 107

Most likely, Batum can put together 3 or 4 more seasons around his career averages, I would be surprised if Melo could match his career averages ever again.

I don't think Batum would have much difficulty putting together 3 or 4 more seasons of his career averages. Its just a shame that those career averages are decidedly average and not worth the max money he's going to earn.

I don't disagree with that, but i am just comparing his value to Melo's

There is no real comparison. Is Batum a more attractive player now? Yes. He's younger, better defensively and cheaper. He's the ideal piece to place around your star because solid, well rounded guys like him help keep you in the game. However, he's going to get a max offer this summer and max level players are the guys you lean on to win the game. Max level players demand double teams whenever they get the ball especially when the game is on the line. There is only one guy in that comparison who fits that criteria and

Spoiler:

its not Batum