Assets Battle: Nuggets vs Suns

[bwgood77]

Devin Booker's stats after ASG: 19.2 points / 3.0 rebounds / 4.1 assists.

wasn't that on awful efficiency? terrible advanced stats? one of the worst teams in NBA?
he could improve on all fronts, but right now he's as much fool's gold as anyone in the league

Not according to Jimmy Butler, Dwayne Wade, Kobe Bryant, LeBron James, and Popovich.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

I mean, I'm totally impressed with booker, but to call him a one-dimensional player would be very accurate.

One-dimensional guys don't usually have double digit assist games as rookies. And even if we were just talking about scoring, this is totally inaccurate. He can drive, hit set shots, hit jumpers off the dribble, go mid range, and post up. This post is just another indication that people are relying too much on stats in making these comparisons.

[NTB]

Devin Booker's stats after ASG: 19.2 points / 3.0 rebounds / 4.1 assists.

wasn't that on awful efficiency? terrible advanced stats? one of the worst teams in NBA?
he could improve on all fronts, but right now he's as much fool's gold as anyone in the league

Not according to Jimmy Butler, Dwayne Wade, Kobe Bryant, LeBron James, and Popovich.

and Klay and Thibodeau and Cousins...

[dremill24]

Cant Jokic and Booker both be very good without tearing one down?

[Mystical Apples]

This really isn't that close. Jokic's contract-to-production ratio alone gives Denver the edge (he's the NBA's best value). Actually Jokic, Harris, and Nurkic had a combined VORP of 4.9 for < $5M and 3 years still remaining on their deals.

I'd also prefer Murray-Hernangomez-Beasely + the extra 2017 over Bender-Chriss-Ulis + Miami's 2018. I'm not high on Mudiay but I'd also take his prospects over the potential price required to replace Len and Chandler.

Phx also has Miami's 2021 pick unprotected which could be huge.

Yeah I agree. 5 years is a long time though for GM's on 1-3 year windows. Based strictly upon trade value it's worth far less compared to 2017 and 2018 firsts......particularly because it's Miami's, a FA destination with no State income tax.

I like Bender, however. He's The Suns best asset.

[Texas Chuck]

Cant Jokic and Booker both be very good without tearing one down?

+1

I was thinking the same thing that their respective goodness was independent of the other guy....

[NuggetsWY]

I think at least one Suns fan (Sideswipe) and myself came to that conclusion earlier in this thread.

[damecurry]

Cant Jokic and Booker both be very good without tearing one down?

+1

I was thinking the same thing that their respective goodness was independent of the other guy....

Yeah I'm starting to get on board here. I admit I'm not overly familiar with booker's game and was mostly looking at stats so I'm open to the idea he's very promising and so is Jokic in different ways and for different reasons. So if we just call that close enough to a wash and set it aside to look at the rest of the asset comparisons, Denver easily wins this imo, no disrespect to Phx fans, that may well change in 2 or 3 years but as of now the nuggets have assembled maybe the best collection of young talent this side of Minny and that should be recognized in a discussion like this imo.

[bwgood77]

Cant Jokic and Booker both be very good without tearing one down?

+1

I was thinking the same thing that their respective goodness was independent of the other guy....

Yeah I'm starting to get on board here. I admit I'm not overly familiar with booker's game and was mostly looking at stats so I'm open to the idea he's very promising and so is Jokic in different ways and for different reasons. So if we just call that close enough to a wash and set it aside to look at the rest of the asset comparisons, Denver easily wins this imo, no disrespect to Phx fans, that may well change in 2 or 3 years but as of now the nuggets have assembled maybe the best collection of young talent this side of Minny and that should be recognized in a discussion like this imo.

Ultimately it doesn't matter what we all think..it will play out. All opinions are welcome and that's what the forums are for. I picked Denver as my sleeper team that might be WAY better than people expect. I do think that those who haven't give Booker a considerable eye test might be misjudging him though. The way he carries himself, gets others involved, etc as the youngest player in the league can not be overlooked.

[NuggetsWY]

Ultimately it doesn't matter what we all think..it will play out. All opinions are welcome and that's what the forums are for. I picked Denver as my sleeper team that might be WAY better than people expect. I do think that those who haven't give Booker a considerable eye test might be misjudging him though. The way he carries himself, gets others involved, etc as the youngest player in the league can not be overlooked.

Need that super+1 but then it would get overused anyway and we'd want more. LOL
But I love hearing the "all opinions are welcome" again.
Sometimes it feels like some of the forums exist to bash the opinions of others.

[torotoe]

I mean, I'm totally impressed with booker, but to call him a one-dimensional player would be very accurate.

One-dimensional guys don't usually have double digit assist games as rookies. And even if we were just talking about scoring, this is totally inaccurate. He can drive, hit set shots, hit jumpers off the dribble, go mid range, and post up. This post is just another indication that people are relying too much on stats in making these comparisons.

Right. He's a scorer. That's his thing. I suppose I should change my phrasing. His ability to get buckets with variety makes him a diverse scorer rather than a one dimensional player. He's not a defender and he's not an exceptional passer (though he can grow). He's not an all-around player and doesn't project to be one, but that's not necessarily a bad thing.

[dremill24]

I mean, I'm totally impressed with booker, but to call him a one-dimensional player would be very accurate.

One-dimensional guys don't usually have double digit assist games as rookies. And even if we were just talking about scoring, this is totally inaccurate. He can drive, hit set shots, hit jumpers off the dribble, go mid range, and post up. This post is just another indication that people are relying too much on stats in making these comparisons.

Right. He's a scorer. That's his thing. I suppose I should change my phrasing. His ability to get buckets with variety makes him a diverse scorer rather than a one dimensional player. He's not a defender and he's not an exceptional passer (though he can grow). He's not an all-around player and doesn't project to be one, but that's not necessarily a bad thing.

He's actually a very good passer as a 2, to be fair.

[NTB]

Booker even played at PG and was very good at playmaking. Offensively, he is a total package. His flaws are defense and rebounding that's all. But he is a smart player so I think he will eventually be an OK defender.