lakers move into top 5 in draft if doncic falls

[Lost Angel]

So:
Ingram and Ball are each better than the 1st pick.
Hart is better than a top 5 pick.
And I'm guessing Kuzma is better than Hart?

Surprised the Lakers aren't still playing.

Yes
No
Yes

[jpengland]

No way the Lakers sell Ingram for Luka

And no way Dallas sells Doncic for Ingram.

I don't see the Lakers getting Doncic without giving up much more than they would be willing to give.

[jpengland]

lakers: JJ Barea and 5th pick

Mavs: Lonzo Ball , Josh Hart, and 25 pick

lakers sign Paul George and DeMarcus cousins, I dont think they will get lebron

PG Luka Donicic or Trey Young or Colin Sexton
SG Paul George
SF Brandon Ingram
PF Kyle Kuzma
C DeMarcus Cousins

Why would Dallas want to put Ball next to DSJ?

We'd just take Doncic...

[Texas Chuck]

So:
Ingram and Ball are each better than the 1st pick.
Hart is better than a top 5 pick.
And I'm guessing Kuzma is better than Hart?

Surprised the Lakers aren't still playing.

Yes
No
Yes

I can't imagine that Ingram or Ball is seen as more valuable than the 1st pick overall. In fact I don't know that either could return a top 7-8 pick?

[Texas Chuck]

lakers: JJ Barea and 5th pick

Mavs: Lonzo Ball , Josh Hart, and 25 pick

lakers sign Paul George and DeMarcus cousins, I dont think they will get lebron

PG Luka Donicic or Trey Young or Colin Sexton
SG Paul George
SF Brandon Ingram
PF Kyle Kuzma
C DeMarcus Cousins

Why would Dallas want to put Ball next to DSJ?

We'd just take Doncic...

you are burying the lead. Why would the Mavs want to trade Barea for anything?

[JB2]

Is this enough for Lakers to trade into top 3 from ATL? Think both Washington and Denver do these trades but is ATL willing to take 3 first rounders in exchange for #3?

Trade #1-- LA absorbs Gortat
LA: Gortat, #15
WAS: 2019 Chicago 2nd

Trade #2-- LA absorbs Faried + #14 which is then sent to ATL to move up in draft
LA: Faried, #3
DEN: Future 2nd
ATL: #14, #15, #25, #47, 2020 Lakers First (no protection)

[jerryred]

I think that is good trade for the lakers if the they strike out on free agents, but the only thing that sucks is that the draft happens before free agents so they would not know till after the draft

[Texas Chuck]

Is this enough for Lakers to trade into top 3 from ATL? Think both Washington and Denver do these trades but is ATL willing to take 3 first rounders in exchange for #3?

Trade #1-- LA absorbs Gortat
LA: Gortat, #15
WAS: 2019 Chicago 2nd

Trade #2-- LA absorbs Faried + #14 which is then sent to ATL to move up in draft
LA: Faried, #3
DEN: Future 2nd
ATL: #14, #15, #25, #47, 2020 Lakers First (no protection)

Washington isn't giving 15 just to move Gortat.

But set that aside because Atlanta isn't giving up #3 for a pile of meh picks. That's brutal for them.

Amazing for LA who trades essentially nothing and gets a starting center and the #3 overall pick in the draft.

[jayu70]

Is this enough for Lakers to trade into top 3 from ATL? Think both Washington and Denver do these trades but is ATL willing to take 3 first rounders in exchange for #3?

Trade #1-- LA absorbs Gortat
LA: Gortat, #15
WAS: 2019 Chicago 2nd

Trade #2-- LA absorbs Faried + #14 which is then sent to ATL to move up in draft
LA: Faried, #3
DEN: Future 2nd
ATL: #14, #15, #25, #47, 2020 Lakers First (no protection)

No Atlanta wouldn't. That's brutal.
Flip it around - Would the Lakers be willing to trade Ball or Ingram for that kind of package ?

[Patsfan1081]

I understand Ingram looked better his soph season and is still a project but what player in the past century ever had a negative rpm their second season and still became a star? If I'm a lottery team I'm taking a chance on Ayton, Doncic, Bagley, and Bamba. Porter jr is where I have to think because of his injury/lack of evaluation tape. So I think Ingram and a late first for the fifth pick feels like fair value.

[NoZoLakers]

Is this enough for Lakers to trade into top 3 from ATL? Think both Washington and Denver do these trades but is ATL willing to take 3 first rounders in exchange for #3?

Trade #1-- LA absorbs Gortat
LA: Gortat, #15
WAS: 2019 Chicago 2nd

Trade #2-- LA absorbs Faried + #14 which is then sent to ATL to move up in draft
LA: Faried, #3
DEN: Future 2nd
ATL: #14, #15, #25, #47, 2020 Lakers First (no protection)

i dont think la is going to destroy their 18 cap space for a draft pick

[Resistance]

Is this enough for Lakers to trade into top 3 from ATL? Think both Washington and Denver do these trades but is ATL willing to take 3 first rounders in exchange for #3?

Trade #1-- LA absorbs Gortat
LA: Gortat, #15
WAS: 2019 Chicago 2nd

Trade #2-- LA absorbs Faried + #14 which is then sent to ATL to move up in draft
LA: Faried, #3
DEN: Future 2nd
ATL: #14, #15, #25, #47, 2020 Lakers First (no protection)

No Atlanta wouldn't. That's brutal.
Flip it around - Would the Lakers be willing to trade Ball or Ingram for that kind of package ?

What I posted earlier in this thread.

Grizzlies Get

Josh Hart
Ivica Zubac
Luol Deng
Cavaliers 2018 First Round Pick
Lakers 2019 First-Round Pick (Unprotected), Lakers 2020 First-Round Pick (Top 3 Protected)
2021 Pick Swap

The not valid part of the trade proposal is underlined.



The Lakers have drafted #2 in the last three drafts. Would you be happy if they would have traded away one of the #2 picks for a package similar to the proposal listed above? If not, then why would the fanbase of Memphis or a similar team be happy with that type of offer?

2014 Draft
#7 - Randle (Lakers)

2015 Draft
#2 - Russell (Lakers)

2016 Draft
#2 - Ingram (Lakers
#3 - Brown (Boston)

2017 Draft
#2 - Ball (Lakers)
#3 - Tatum (Boston)

2018 Draft
#25 - Lakers
#27 - Boston


The Celtics and the Lakers never traded outside of the high lottery in recent years, but the expectations appear to be that other teams are supposed to do it for them.

The pro Lakers section isn't interested in that type of discussion and avoided responding.

[Resistance]

Is this enough for Lakers to trade into top 3 from ATL? Think both Washington and Denver do these trades but is ATL willing to take 3 first rounders in exchange for #3?

Trade #1-- LA absorbs Gortat
LA: Gortat, #15
WAS: 2019 Chicago 2nd

Trade #2-- LA absorbs Faried + #14 which is then sent to ATL to move up in draft
LA: Faried, #3
DEN: Future 2nd
ATL: #14, #15, #25, #47, 2020 Lakers First (no protection)

i dont think la is going to destroy their 18 cap space for a draft pick

If Deng went out with no salary coming back, they could work towards having enough cap space for Paul George and Randle's cap hold this summer.

Then they would do an assessment during the 2018 - 19 season of who they wanted to keep from the group of Doncic, Ball, Ingram, Randle, Hart, Kuzma, Hart and the #25 pick. If they wanted to carve out cap space for another max next summer, Randle might be the player to be traded.

[NoZoLakers]

Is this enough for Lakers to trade into top 3 from ATL? Think both Washington and Denver do these trades but is ATL willing to take 3 first rounders in exchange for #3?

Trade #1-- LA absorbs Gortat
LA: Gortat, #15
WAS: 2019 Chicago 2nd

Trade #2-- LA absorbs Faried + #14 which is then sent to ATL to move up in draft
LA: Faried, #3
DEN: Future 2nd
ATL: #14, #15, #25, #47, 2020 Lakers First (no protection)

i dont think la is going to destroy their 18 cap space for a draft pick

If Deng went out with no salary coming back, they could work towards having enough cap space for Paul George and Randle's cap hold this summer.

Then they would do an assessment during the 2018 - 19 season of who they wanted to keep from the group of Doncic, Ball, Ingram, Randle, Hart, Kuzma, Hart and the #25 pick. If they wanted to carve out cap space for another max next summer, Randle might the player to be traded.

whats the likely hood LA can move Deng without having to attach any of those youth for no salary back? Thats as likely as that proposed trade to happen, maybe even much much less.

[JB2]

Is this enough for Lakers to trade into top 3 from ATL? Think both Washington and Denver do these trades but is ATL willing to take 3 first rounders in exchange for #3?

Trade #1-- LA absorbs Gortat
LA: Gortat, #15
WAS: 2019 Chicago 2nd

Trade #2-- LA absorbs Faried + #14 which is then sent to ATL to move up in draft
LA: Faried, #3
DEN: Future 2nd
ATL: #14, #15, #25, #47, 2020 Lakers First (no protection)

No Atlanta wouldn't. That's brutal.
Flip it around - Would the Lakers be willing to trade Ball or Ingram for that kind of package ?

Depends on how much they like their options at #3 versus the guys available from #10 - 30... there is something to be said for more opportunities to hit. And would I trade Ball or Ingram for those picks... honestly, maybe.

Again, it's just a different approach to building. More picks = more opportunities. In recent drafts: Mitchell = 13, Booker = 13, Myles Turner = 11 , OG = 23, Kuzma = 27, Lavine = 13, Harris = 19, Giannis = 15, Klay = 11, Kawhi = 15, Butler = 30

[Resistance]

i dont think la is going to destroy their 18 cap space for a draft pick

If Deng went out with no salary coming back, they could work towards having enough cap space for Paul George and Randle's cap hold this summer.

Then they would do an assessment during the 2018 - 19 season of who they wanted to keep from the group of Doncic, Ball, Ingram, Randle, Hart, Kuzma, Hart and the #25 pick. If they wanted to carve out cap space for another max next summer, Randle might the player to be traded.

whats the likely hood LA can move Deng without having to attach any of those youth for no salary back? Thats as likely as that proposed trade to happen, maybe even much much less.

If they are forced to surrender some things of value, then

* Hart
* #25
* future first

should be enough to get some interest. If need be, sub Kuzma for Hart in the package. That would still leave them with Doncic, Ball, Ingram, Randle and Kuzma or Hart.


Of course all of the above is more theory than anything realistic because I can't imagine the Gortat and Faried trades going as was suggested earlier.

[jayu70]

Is this enough for Lakers to trade into top 3 from ATL? Think both Washington and Denver do these trades but is ATL willing to take 3 first rounders in exchange for #3?

Trade #1-- LA absorbs Gortat
LA: Gortat, #15
WAS: 2019 Chicago 2nd

Trade #2-- LA absorbs Faried + #14 which is then sent to ATL to move up in draft
LA: Faried, #3
DEN: Future 2nd
ATL: #14, #15, #25, #47, 2020 Lakers First (no protection)

No Atlanta wouldn't. That's brutal.
Flip it around - Would the Lakers be willing to trade Ball or Ingram for that kind of package ?

Depends on how much they like their options at #3 versus the guys available from #10 - 30... there is something to be said for more opportunities to hit. And would I trade Ball or Ingram for those picks... honestly, maybe.

Again, it's just a different approach to building. More picks = more opportunities. In recent drafts: Mitchell = 13, Booker = 13, Myles Turner = 11 , OG = 23, Kuzma = 27, Lavine = 13, Harris = 19, Giannis = 15, Klay = 11, Kawhi = 15, Butler = 30

None of those teams traded a higher pick to move down to select any of those guys though. They either stayed put or traded UP. Plus most of those teams already had building blocks. Hawks don't.
There's trading down a few spots from #3. What you're proposing is out of the top #10 entirely.
If the guys at #14 and #15 were valued higher they'd actually be rated higher.

[Archx]

If the Lakers wanted Doncic they would have to trade with SAC which holds nr2 spot. Divac and Kings owner came over to Spain just to watch him play today and he put on a show for them. That's like 3rd or 4th time at least Divac came to watch him play. And like i said, from what they have seen so far from him, there is no chance they will let go their nr 2 spot so easily. He is basically bigger and stronger Steve Nash and that is something many people agree on.

[Biased_Fan6425]

If the lakers really want Doncic

Ingram and #25 for that #2 Pick.

[Darren]

Parsons, 4 for Deng, Ingram

5 for Deng, Ingram

3 for Ingram, Kuzma

only see a remote chance at 1st one, no way would dall eat deng n give up #5 for ingram, definetly not doing the last opt

Not nearly enough for the Mavs. Ingram and Deng for TPE, yes. But with #5 as well? No. I don't like the contract status of Ingram as well. He's RFA playing the same position as Barnes. Barnes + #5 for Ingram + Kuzma + future 1st might make a little more sense for the Mavs. However, I am not sure the Mavs do it.