Jazz offseason as I see it. (Jazz fans ain't gonna like)

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Re: Jazz offseason as I see it. (Jazz fans ain't gonna like) 

Post#41 » by No-Man » Thu May 9, 2019 2:45 pm

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Fischella wrote:Randle is a Center, stretch PF? what?


He's 6'9 and shot 34% from 3 on 2.7 attempts. The Jazz would certainly use him as a stretch 4 (and some backup 5).


HIs average shot distance last year was 8.3 feet and his career average shot distance is less than 7 feet from the basketball. He’s an old school classic kind of PF who can hit the 3 on occasion. Almost 75% of his FGA were inside of 10’ last year. I think his long range shot is more of a complement on occasion to keep teams honest. Kind of strikes me as like he’s an offensive yin to The yang of a Thad Young. The 3 isn’t a key tool, but it’s just enough to keep defenses honest?

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Re: Jazz offseason as I see it. (Jazz fans ain't gonna like) 

Post#42 » by Scoot McGroot » Thu May 9, 2019 2:49 pm

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He's 6'9 and shot 34% from 3 on 2.7 attempts. The Jazz would certainly use him as a stretch 4 (and some backup 5).


HIs average shot distance last year was 8.3 feet and his career average shot distance is less than 7 feet from the basketball. He’s an old school classic kind of PF who can hit the 3 on occasion. Almost 75% of his FGA were inside of 10’ last year. I think his long range shot is more of a complement on occasion to keep teams honest. Kind of strikes me as like he’s an offensive yin to The yang of a Thad Young. The 3 isn’t a key tool, but it’s just enough to keep defenses honest?

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1 of 3 is probably just enough to keep his defender from staying at 8 feet when he has the ball on the perimeter. Not enough to chase him down fast on the perimeter, yet, for sure, but enough to pull them out of the lane to clear it up a bit.
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Re: Jazz offseason as I see it. (Jazz fans ain't gonna like) 

Post#43 » by No-Man » Thu May 9, 2019 2:53 pm

Nah man, people will float him and sag off him in the Playoffs, they do so in the Regular Season, and he is also reluctant to let it fly
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Post#44 » by Scoot McGroot » Thu May 9, 2019 3:00 pm

Fischella wrote:Nah man, people will float him and sag off him in the Playoffs, they do so in the Regular Season, and he is also reluctant to let it fly



Yeah. I’m not saying they’ll body him up. I’m saying that they’ll hang around 12-14 feet instead of jamming the lane at 6-8 feet and that’s a world of difference to an offensive system. And they’re definitely not going to just leave him alone as he’s quick enough to get to the hoop. He’s not a Roy Hibbert is what I’m saying.
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Re: Jazz offseason as I see it. (Jazz fans ain't gonna like) 

Post#45 » by dakomish23 » Thu May 9, 2019 3:09 pm

My hope for UTA is that they somehow find a way to trade for pair Booker with Mitchell & Gobert. I think that 3 man core could be amazing.

They don't have the assets, yeah I know. I'm just stating what I would like to see happen.
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Post#46 » by Ron Swanson » Thu May 9, 2019 3:36 pm

If I'm them my offseason plan is pretty simple and attainable.

-Draft Ty Jerome at #23
-Sign Nikola Mirotic (4-yrs $60 mil?)
-Sign Pat Beverly with the full MLE

Harris is a better player but a guy like Mirotic fills a huge need for them. They need a 3PT gunner next to Gobert. Beverly replaces Rubio's defense and also gives you better 3PT shooting, while letting Jerome develop.
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Post#47 » by jazzfan1971 » Thu May 9, 2019 4:07 pm

Ron Swanson wrote:If I'm them my offseason plan is pretty simple and attainable.

-Draft Ty Jerome at #23
-Sign Nikola Mirotic (4-yrs $60 mil?)
-Sign Pat Beverly with the full MLE

Harris is a better player but a guy like Mirotic fills a huge need for them. They need a 3PT gunner next to Gobert. Beverly replaces Rubio's defense and also gives you better 3PT shooting, while letting Jerome develop.


I'm 85% sure you can't both use cap space and get the MLE. I think it's an either/or situation by design.
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Post#48 » by stitches » Thu May 9, 2019 4:27 pm

Here's a wild one... you know how the Jazz were rumored to be trying hard to trade for Kyrie in 2017? I know, I know... you don't think he would ever come to Utah... but... there's one thing to remember about Kyrie... he's very impressionable and easily impressed by the wildest **** out there - just send missionaries to Kyrie's home and convince him to join Mormonism. Then Bang! Max offer from the Jazz and a place on some LDS church council. What do you say, guys? Can we do it?
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Post#49 » by giberish » Thu May 9, 2019 4:36 pm

jazzfan1971 wrote:
Ron Swanson wrote:If I'm them my offseason plan is pretty simple and attainable.

-Draft Ty Jerome at #23
-Sign Nikola Mirotic (4-yrs $60 mil?)
-Sign Pat Beverly with the full MLE

Harris is a better player but a guy like Mirotic fills a huge need for them. They need a 3PT gunner next to Gobert. Beverly replaces Rubio's defense and also gives you better 3PT shooting, while letting Jerome develop.


I'm 85% sure you can't both use cap space and get the MLE. I think it's an either/or situation by design.


That's true. But if Utah has over $30M/yr free to sign Harris, they could split that between Mirotic and Beverly. Then use the room MLE on a backup C. IMO the difference in quality between Harris and Mirotic isn't worth the PG hole maxing Harris creates.
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Post#50 » by Magic_Johnny12 » Thu May 9, 2019 5:11 pm

I really like Utah and Orlando as trade partners this off season.

Not sure of their cap situation, but if they could somehow sign Mirotic and facilitate a trade as such I think they will be in a better place than what OP proposed.

Something like Fournier/Augustine/#46 for Exum/Crowder/#23

PG - Augustine, Neto, vet min
SG - Mitchell, Fournier, Allen
SF - Ingles, O'Neal, Niang
PF - Mirotic, vet min, Sefolosha
C - Gobert, Bradley, 2nd round pick
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Post#51 » by babyjax13 » Thu May 9, 2019 5:28 pm

Magic_Johnny12 wrote:I really like Utah and Orlando as trade partners this off season.

Not sure of their cap situation, but if they could somehow sign Mirotic and facilitate a trade as such I think they will be in a better place than what OP proposed.

Something like Fournier/Augustine/#46 for Exum/Crowder/#23

PG - Augustine, Neto, vet min
SG - Mitchell, Fournier, Allen
SF - Ingles, O'Neal, Niang
PF - Mirotic, vet min, Sefolosha
C - Gobert, Bradley, 2nd round pick


I'd rather just keep Rubio. Maybe we'd do Dante + something for Fournier + something if we strike out in FA, but we'd be better off just dumping Dante into someone's cap space with our pick. Not excited about starting Augustine, and I don't see a huge difference for us between Jae and Fournier, because we already have decent backups at the 2/3.
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Re: Jazz offseason as I see it. (Jazz fans ain't gonna like) 

Post#52 » by Texas Chuck » Thu May 9, 2019 5:44 pm

Magic_Johnny12 wrote:I really like Utah and Orlando as trade partners this off season.

Not sure of their cap situation, but if they could somehow sign Mirotic and facilitate a trade as such I think they will be in a better place than what OP proposed.

Something like Fournier/Augustine/#46 for Exum/Crowder/#23

PG - Augustine, Neto, vet min
SG - Mitchell, Fournier, Allen
SF - Ingles, O'Neal, Niang
PF - Mirotic, vet min, Sefolosha
C - Gobert, Bradley, 2nd round pick


Augustine feels like a fall back option you add for cheap if everything else fails. Crowder/Exum for Fournier feels lateral with the downside of having less defensive versatility.

Also not sure why Orlando would want to continue to downgrade a position they have been looking to solve since Jameer. Fultz/Exum is by far the worst offensive PG rotation in the league and if Vuc is gone, Orlando is going to get offense where exactly?

I'm just not getting this for either side really.
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Re: Jazz offseason as I see it. (Jazz fans ain't gonna like) 

Post#53 » by CAE15 » Thu May 9, 2019 6:47 pm

stitches wrote:Here's a wild one... you know how the Jazz were rumored to be trying hard to trade for Kyrie in 2017? I know, I know... you don't think he would ever come to Utah... but... there's one thing to remember about Kyrie... he's very impressionable and easily impressed by the wildest **** out there - just send missionaries to Kyrie's home and convince him to join Mormonism. Then Bang! Max offer from the Jazz and a place on some LDS church council. What do you say, guys? Can we do it?
Kinda on this train, however I worry about Kyrie's ideas getting into some of our young guys.

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Post#54 » by Catchall » Fri May 10, 2019 1:24 am

stitches wrote:Here's a wild one... you know how the Jazz were rumored to be trying hard to trade for Kyrie in 2017? I know, I know... you don't think he would ever come to Utah... but... there's one thing to remember about Kyrie... he's very impressionable and easily impressed by the wildest **** out there - just send missionaries to Kyrie's home and convince him to join Mormonism. Then Bang! Max offer from the Jazz and a place on some LDS church council. What do you say, guys? Can we do it?


Kyrie seems like as much of a Brooklyn hipster type as any in the league. Plus he doesn't fit in Utah. I see him going to one of the NY teams.

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