I Still Know What They Should Do This Summer: Detroit Pistons

[giberish]

Spoiler:

Tear it down and start again. Use Griffin to get a low end lotto pick and go for a P.G like Cole Anthony or whoever is BPA (9 + Mahimi and whatever other bad contract for Blake maybe). The Wizards have to go now, getting a big man to finally complement Wall + Beal surely puts them in the hunt for the east if all goes well, its now or never for them and they get out of some bad contracts.

If they get a top 2 pick, just pick whoever is left out of Edwards or Wiseman (most likely Wiseman) and use that as a basis to build from.

If they get a pick between the 3-7 range, then i'd pick out of the following (if the top 2 players afformentioned don't fall) in this order: Obi Trippin, Killian Hayes, Devi Avdija, Tyrese Haliburton.

Then look at as someone mentioned, trading Kennard for a mid first and pick up someone like Josh Green (someone mentioned 14 for Kennard, that's good). Kennard on the Blazers sounds absolutely perfect honestly.

Then Rose for 26. The celtics have a tonne of picks and they aren't going to use them all, plain and simple. They could use a P.G like Rose to backup Kemba honestly, then again any team in the league could use a backup like Rose to be honest.

So ideally after you have traded both Blake and Kennard out, you'll have 9 + 14 + 26 along with the 5th

So for the draft:
5th - Obi Trippin (Ideally)
9th - Killain Hayes (this basically is just on the hope that the knicks either go up to #1, trade out or somehow like Cole Anthony more, Haliburton is a good consolation prize here as well)
14th - Josh Green (athletic 3&D prospect
26th - Vernon Carey Jr (2nd best centre in his class and he's really good)

I'd then try and pay good money to pick up an early 2nd and pick up Precious Achiuwa if at all possible.

This is probably very optimistic and would require teams agreeing and having that general win now direction (especially the Wizards).

I wouldn't worry too much about having to take back cap cause right now the Pistons aren't a F.A destination (Detroit ain't exactly the most desirable place in America right now and i'd imagine that would also transcend into desirability for free agents, its a cold market too which doesn't help). Detroit is much better building through the draft and doing it with a culture in mind. I'd let Casey go, not because he's neccesarily bad (he's not, its just that like other coaches like Marc Jackson and even D'Antoni, their is a ceiling and you don't want them coaching youth, its counter intuitive and they'll only get frustrated).

Bring back Christian Wood on a team friendly deal so you can see if he can continue the form and perhaps get good value in a trade down the line (picks mainly for 2021). I like the idea of building around Obi Trippin and Killain Hayes/ Haliburton with Green and Carey also helping there.

No one is paying a late lotto pick for Griffin, not even the Wiz...

Hayes will be drafted long before Toppin...

I did take into account that the wizards are also giving up their bad contracts in that as well.

Washington's only bad contract is Wall - the rest (such as Mahinmi) have all ended. Even then it's a massive reach to expect Washington to deal a lottery pick to swap Wall for Blake. Though unlike most Blake deals a Wall for Blake deal could be possible without Detroit giving up a lottery pick.

[psman2]

Spoiler:

Tear it down and start again. Use Griffin to get a low end lotto pick and go for a P.G like Cole Anthony or whoever is BPA (9 + Mahimi and whatever other bad contract for Blake maybe). The Wizards have to go now, getting a big man to finally complement Wall + Beal surely puts them in the hunt for the east if all goes well, its now or never for them and they get out of some bad contracts.

If they get a top 2 pick, just pick whoever is left out of Edwards or Wiseman (most likely Wiseman) and use that as a basis to build from.

If they get a pick between the 3-7 range, then i'd pick out of the following (if the top 2 players afformentioned don't fall) in this order: Obi Trippin, Killian Hayes, Devi Avdija, Tyrese Haliburton.

Then look at as someone mentioned, trading Kennard for a mid first and pick up someone like Josh Green (someone mentioned 14 for Kennard, that's good). Kennard on the Blazers sounds absolutely perfect honestly.

Then Rose for 26. The celtics have a tonne of picks and they aren't going to use them all, plain and simple. They could use a P.G like Rose to backup Kemba honestly, then again any team in the league could use a backup like Rose to be honest.

So ideally after you have traded both Blake and Kennard out, you'll have 9 + 14 + 26 along with the 5th

So for the draft:
5th - Obi Trippin (Ideally)
9th - Killain Hayes (this basically is just on the hope that the knicks either go up to #1, trade out or somehow like Cole Anthony more, Haliburton is a good consolation prize here as well)
14th - Josh Green (athletic 3&D prospect
26th - Vernon Carey Jr (2nd best centre in his class and he's really good)

I'd then try and pay good money to pick up an early 2nd and pick up Precious Achiuwa if at all possible.

This is probably very optimistic and would require teams agreeing and having that general win now direction (especially the Wizards).

I wouldn't worry too much about having to take back cap cause right now the Pistons aren't a F.A destination (Detroit ain't exactly the most desirable place in America right now and i'd imagine that would also transcend into desirability for free agents, its a cold market too which doesn't help). Detroit is much better building through the draft and doing it with a culture in mind. I'd let Casey go, not because he's neccesarily bad (he's not, its just that like other coaches like Marc Jackson and even D'Antoni, their is a ceiling and you don't want them coaching youth, its counter intuitive and they'll only get frustrated).

Bring back Christian Wood on a team friendly deal so you can see if he can continue the form and perhaps get good value in a trade down the line (picks mainly for 2021). I like the idea of building around Obi Trippin and Killain Hayes/ Haliburton with Green and Carey also helping there.

No one is paying a late lotto pick for Griffin, not even the Wiz...

Hayes will be drafted long before Toppin...

I did take into account that the wizards are also giving up their bad contracts in that as well.

Mahimni is going to be a FA and they don't really haven't any bad salary outside of Wall going forward.

I think you are on an island regarding how you value Blake, I cannot think of a single team that would take Blake for expirings and especially not giving up a lottery pick.

[NYG]

Blake Griffin and Tony Snell for Terry Rozier and Nicolas Batum

Derrick Rose for Avery Bradley and Kyle Kuzma

Re-sign Christian Wood

Sign Derrick Jones Jr. and best possible pure shooter at SF

[Prospect Dong]

Additionally, I'd take a swing on Josh Jackson if I were Detroit. 4/45 with a club option.

That's a lot of money, and especially a lot of years for a guy with one pretty ok stretch of play in nearly three years with teams in need of help on the wing. That definitely gets you him, and you've got to take smart risks in a rebuild, but that's a big bet on Jackson.

[Prospect Dong]

I'm of the mindset that no one is untradeable, including Blake Griffin.

Offseason plan:


Trade #1:

Detroit in: Gorgui Dieng, Kyle Anderson and a Sign & Traded Josh Jackson (1+1 Team Option at $15MM per season)

Memphis in: Blake Griffin and Luke Kennard

Barring an insane jump in production Detroit gets two expiring contracts in Dieng and the S&T Jackson while move out Blake's long-term money.

For Memphis, none of the core young players on rookie deals need an extension prior to Griffin expiring and none of their key veterans (Valancunias, Winslow, Jones) expire and need new deals prior to Griffin either. Giving them the unique ability to be unaffected by Griffin's contract (Memphis isn't really a big free-agent destination), while gaining Kennard who fits nicely with their young players.


Trade #2

Detroit in: Trevor Ariza, Rodney Hood and POR 2020 1st round pick (top-10 protected)

Portland in: Derrick Rose and Tony Snell

Rose provides high-level depth at both guard spots while Snell brings health, durability and shooting to the small forward spot. Detroit is getting an additional pick. Hood is likely out for the year or at least a majority of it.


Free Agency and the Draft

The Pistons should re-sign Wood and move forward with a core of Wood, Doumbaya, and their 2 2020 first round picks. Gieng, Hood, Ariza, and Jackson can all come off the books in the summer of 2021 at which point the Pistons will have added another pick to their young core and are hopefully looking attractive to free agents.

That Memphis trade is interesting, at least, though I probably say no as a Grizzlies fan. It raises the team's short term ceiling by a lot, at the cost of 10th and 11th men (I'm not including Jackson in the valuation, since he's a UFA for whom we're unlikely to get and value).

It probably ends up with Blake being sent away, Waiters style, and us eating a huge amount of cap space for a guy who probably ends up around Anderson's level. But stranger things have happened than getting a load managed full season out of a healthy Blake Griffin. And this roster with Blake suddenly looks very nasty...

[getrichordie]

Additionally, I'd take a swing on Josh Jackson if I were Detroit. 4/45 with a club option.

That's a lot of money, and especially a lot of years for a guy with one pretty ok stretch of play in nearly three years with teams in need of help on the wing. That definitely gets you him, and you've got to take smart risks in a rebuild, but that's a big bet on Jackson.

Scared money don't make none.

[nevetsov]

Trade 3:
POR trades: 14, Gary Trent
DET trades: Luke Kennard
Portland moves their pick for a guaranteed contributor, Detroit gets a late lotto pick and a rotational wing.

Apparently PHX offered their pick with some protection (currently sitting #10 I believe) and 2 young backup PGs (Jevon Carter and Elie Okobo) for Kennard at the deadline. If they can agree that the pick works then I can see this being revisited in the off season.

[getrichordie]

Trade 3:
POR trades: 14, Gary Trent
DET trades: Luke Kennard
Portland moves their pick for a guaranteed contributor, Detroit gets a late lotto pick and a rotational wing.

Apparently PHX offered their pick with some protection (currently sitting #10 I believe) and 2 young backup PGs (Jevon Carter and Elie Okobo) for Kennard at the deadline. If they can agree that the pick works then I can see this being revisited in the off season.

If that is true and Detroit didn't take that deal, they are fools.

[Spens1]

Spoiler:

No one is paying a late lotto pick for Griffin, not even the Wiz...

Hayes will be drafted long before Toppin...

I did take into account that the wizards are also giving up their bad contracts in that as well.

Washington's only bad contract is Wall - the rest (such as Mahinmi) have all ended. Even then it's a massive reach to expect Washington to deal a lottery pick to swap Wall for Blake. Though unlike most Blake deals a Wall for Blake deal could be possible without Detroit giving up a lottery pick.

Wall for Blake may actually not be that bad either.

[nevetsov]

Trade 3:
POR trades: 14, Gary Trent
DET trades: Luke Kennard
Portland moves their pick for a guaranteed contributor, Detroit gets a late lotto pick and a rotational wing.

Apparently PHX offered their pick with some protection (currently sitting #10 I believe) and 2 young backup PGs (Jevon Carter and Elie Okobo) for Kennard at the deadline. If they can agree that the pick works then I can see this being revisited in the off season.

If that is true and Detroit didn't take that deal, they are fools.

Rumour was they couldn't agree on the protections. Perhaps Suns wanted top 10 protection, Pistons wanted only top 4. Who knows? After the lottery has been drawn, if the Suns don't move up and the protections are moot, it might open the door to revisit the trade then.

[Village Idiot]

Trade 3:
POR trades: 14, Gary Trent
DET trades: Luke Kennard
Portland moves their pick for a guaranteed contributor, Detroit gets a late lotto pick and a rotational wing.

Gary Trent Jr. was actually a surprisingly good contributor for Portland. He only started 8 games for us when Lillard was out but his performance was shockingly good. He's a really good shooter and a solid defender.

I'd say Kennard has much better passing skills but otherwise are pretty similar players with limited upside. Trent developed well this year, is 2 years younger than Kennard and might have more untapped potential. For the Blazers I don't think that a spurious minor upgrade is worth the 14th pick.

[HartfordWhalers]

I did take into account that the wizards are also giving up their bad contracts in that as well.

Washington's only bad contract is Wall - the rest (such as Mahinmi) have all ended. Even then it's a massive reach to expect Washington to deal a lottery pick to swap Wall for Blake. Though unlike most Blake deals a Wall for Blake deal could be possible without Detroit giving up a lottery pick.

Wall for Blake may actually not be that bad either.

I have a straight swap as absolutely brutal to Detroit. The money remaining is very different.

[Monky15]

Give Brooklyn a call after Snell opts in and do Snell, Kennard for LeVert.
Brooklyn sheds long term salary while adding a more flexible trade chip in Kennard.
Detroit figures if they are going to commit money they might as well go for the higher ceiling guy.

[E S V L]

Would Detroit consider Valancuinas straight S&T for Christian Woods?

PS Memphis has no interest in Griffin

[Resistance]

Would Detroit consider Valancuinas straight S&T for Christian Woods?

PS Memphis has no interest in Griffin

I see no reason for a rebuilding Detroit to prefer the older JV over Wood.

[Buzzard]

The Hawks need a quality BU PG but I am not sure how much Schlenk would give up for him on a one year rental. I think Rose may chase a ring in 2021/22 if he is still healthy.

[E S V L]

Would Detroit consider Valancuinas straight S&T for Christian Woods?

PS Memphis has no interest in Griffin

I see no reason for a rebuilding Detroit to prefer the older JV over Wood.

Only if Woods decides to leave Detroit?

[Resistance]

Would Detroit consider Valancuinas straight S&T for Christian Woods?

PS Memphis has no interest in Griffin

I see no reason for a rebuilding Detroit to prefer the older JV over Wood.

Only if Woods decides to leave Detroit?

I don't see how Memphis has much leverage to force Detroit to do this since they (Memphis) will have very little if any cap space to pursue Wood as a free agent.

Since Detroit has some work to do on their rebuild, I don't see how JV fits with their timeline.

An example to get assets for Detroit:

Detroit
In: Bad salary + pick compensation
Out:

Memphis
In: Wood as a FA signing
Out: JV

Third Team
In: JV
Out: Bad salary + pick compensation



If Memphis can find another team to take JV for free, then that could open enough cap space to sign Wood.

Example:

Charlotte:
In: JV
Out: Nothing

Memphis
In: Wood as a FA signing
Out: JV

Of course Charlotte could decide to pursue Wood in free agency for themselves and let Memphis keep JV.



Last summer, Memphis used cap space and received a first for taking the Iguodala contract. It wouldn't surprise me if a team squeezed Memphis for compensation this summer if the Grizzlies want to do a roster move or two that requires cap space.

[babyjax13]

Would Detroit consider Valancuinas straight S&T for Christian Woods?

PS Memphis has no interest in Griffin

I see no reason for a rebuilding Detroit to prefer the older JV over Wood.

Only if Woods decides to leave Detroit?

Seems like they'd be better off letting him leave for nothing. Val wouldn't be a part of their future, and has very little trade value.

[E S V L]

All makes sense to me. Thank you both. So, to pursue Woods, Memphis should clear up its cap space. And this would cost it a FRP.