Trade Challenge: Get The Lakers Another Star

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Re: Trade Challenge: Get The Lakers Another Star 

Post#41 » by Resistance » Sun Jul 12, 2020 6:13 am

nzahir wrote:
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nzahir wrote:I think I agree with you, but it depends on the deal. LAL can't give up DG, their pick, Kuzma, and valuable role guys like Mcgee, Avery, etc, take on that huge deal, and get 0 comp back somehow.

Lebron's window, which is basically the Laker's window, is closing. If they can't win it all this year, they may need a big splash like that

But, if they win it all or get really close in the finals, then they may just need a couple of smaller moves in the offseason (good FA and maybe a small trade)


Dont know the financials, but i think you can just do a S@T where you send one of the guys who are FA this year on a big 1 year contract to facilitate the deal alongside a 1st. OKC can even use that expiring contract to take in bad contracts for more future assets from other teams.

Like a 1 year contract for KCP for 29 mill (or whatever the number is that gets it close enough to do the trade)

Anyone know what is allowed with sign and trades?

We have KCP bird rights, but are we allowed to use him to opt out and then sign a 1 year deal worth his max and send him to OKC?

If we could use him for a max of around 30mil and send out something like Rondo and Avery for filler in a CP3 deal, that would be nice

Just not sure what is allowed



Why would KCP opt out of his contract ($8,493,746) for next season?
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Re: Trade Challenge: Get The Lakers Another Star 

Post#42 » by nzahir » Sun Jul 12, 2020 6:21 am

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nzahir wrote:
mademan wrote:
Dont know the financials, but i think you can just do a S@T where you send one of the guys who are FA this year on a big 1 year contract to facilitate the deal alongside a 1st. OKC can even use that expiring contract to take in bad contracts for more future assets from other teams.

Like a 1 year contract for KCP for 29 mill (or whatever the number is that gets it close enough to do the trade)

Anyone know what is allowed with sign and trades?

We have KCP bird rights, but are we allowed to use him to opt out and then sign a 1 year deal worth his max and send him to OKC?

If we could use him for a max of around 30mil and send out something like Rondo and Avery for filler in a CP3 deal, that would be nice

Just not sure what is allowed



Why would KCP opt out of his contract ($8,493,746) for next season?

1) If he would be part of a sign and trade to inflate his contract value, like 1 yr 20-30M to use for cp3 (if allowed)
2) Most players like to have a 2nd year or a PO in case they got a big injury

His value is around that number tbh, especially with the cap coming down and most teams having limited space this summer
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Re: Trade Challenge: Get The Lakers Another Star 

Post#43 » by nzahir » Sun Jul 12, 2020 6:28 am

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Tough to see how that happens as LAL have no attractive players or draft picks assets.

The real question would seem to be “how can LAL acquire the perfect complementary player without sending out anything approaching equivalent value?”

It would seem to require a star player demanding a trade to LAL and his team caving to that demand because reasons.

You are likely right, but trying to explore options

Do you or anyone know how sign and trades would work for KCP? LA has his bird rights if he opts out. Could we sign him for a high 1 yr deal and use him?

Would really help in a deal for cp3, who is the most plausible option, albeit a tough one

Crossing off Lowry and DD. I should probably do the same for Conley and Dipo.

I don’t love going for LA, but not crossing him off yet.

No discussion on Dinwiddie really, not a great fit (can’t shoot or defend well), but he is still a positive player on cheaper contract for a year

Hayward is interesting tbh now that someone brought it up, but not very easy to pull off


No team is going to take 4-6 scrubs and a late pick for a star.

LAL might be better served watching the waiver wire very carefully. There’s a chance that some team might negotiate a buy out for some overpaid, underperforming high profile player.

This won’t be your dream player. It’ll be someone like Kevin Love, Blake Griffin or Mike Conley. Fine players with age, injury and fit issues to consider.

Scrubs?

So half the rotation of the Lakers are scrubs? Ya, ok

DG is still a very good player, his advanced numbers are very high
A late 1st is still something
Kuzma has been up and down for us, but also game off a foot injury this year, lets see how he finishes the yr. He may be useful for a team he can start on, like OKC.
Avery is a neutral player, negative on O, plus on D
Mcgee has been a plus this year, underrated C who is a great lob and dunk threat, can block shots. Boston can use a bigger and longer C or they can use all the pieces, besides DG, to obtain a better C

LAL has a lot of depth at guard spots, but not many shot creators (lets see what dion can do though), which is why they would want a guy like Hayward

If OKC were to accept Kuzma, 1st, Mcgee, salary filler for Adams (which is a nice haul for an overpaid big), then Boston could get Danny and Adams for Hayward
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Re: Trade Challenge: Get The Lakers Another Star 

Post#44 » by iye6ry4e7r3 » Sun Jul 12, 2020 6:33 am

nzahir wrote:
JRoy wrote:
nzahir wrote:You are likely right, but trying to explore options

Do you or anyone know how sign and trades would work for KCP? LA has his bird rights if he opts out. Could we sign him for a high 1 yr deal and use him?

Would really help in a deal for cp3, who is the most plausible option, albeit a tough one

Crossing off Lowry and DD. I should probably do the same for Conley and Dipo.

I don’t love going for LA, but not crossing him off yet.

No discussion on Dinwiddie really, not a great fit (can’t shoot or defend well), but he is still a positive player on cheaper contract for a year

Hayward is interesting tbh now that someone brought it up, but not very easy to pull off


No team is going to take 4-6 scrubs and a late pick for a star.

LAL might be better served watching the waiver wire very carefully. There’s a chance that some team might negotiate a buy out for some overpaid, underperforming high profile player.

This won’t be your dream player. It’ll be someone like Kevin Love, Blake Griffin or Mike Conley. Fine players with age, injury and fit issues to consider.

Scrubs?

So half the rotation of the Lakers are scrubs? Ya, ok

DG is still a very good player, his advanced numbers are very high
A late 1st is still something
Kuzma has been up and down for us, but also game off a foot injury this year, lets see how he finishes the yr. He may be useful for a team he can start on, like OKC.
Avery is a neutral player, negative on O, plus on D
Mcgee has been a plus this year, underrated C who is a great lob and dunk threat, can block shots. Boston can use a bigger and longer C or they can use all the pieces, besides DG, to obtain a better C

LAL has a lot of depth at guard spots, but not many shot creators (lets see what dion can do though), which is why they would want a guy like Hayward

If OKC were to accept Kuzma, 1st, Mcgee, salary filler for Adams (which is a nice haul for an overpaid big), then Boston could get Danny and Adams for Hayward


Kuzma might get a late FRP. I think it would be a mistake but opinions vary.

No one is giving up a FRP for any of those other guys.

Who would rather have any or all of those guys as rotation players than a high caliber player?
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Re: Trade Challenge: Get The Lakers Another Star 

Post#45 » by armpit617 » Sun Jul 12, 2020 6:36 am

nzahir wrote:
JRoy wrote:
nzahir wrote:You are likely right, but trying to explore options

Do you or anyone know how sign and trades would work for KCP? LA has his bird rights if he opts out. Could we sign him for a high 1 yr deal and use him?

Would really help in a deal for cp3, who is the most plausible option, albeit a tough one

Crossing off Lowry and DD. I should probably do the same for Conley and Dipo.

I don’t love going for LA, but not crossing him off yet.

No discussion on Dinwiddie really, not a great fit (can’t shoot or defend well), but he is still a positive player on cheaper contract for a year

Hayward is interesting tbh now that someone brought it up, but not very easy to pull off


No team is going to take 4-6 scrubs and a late pick for a star.

LAL might be better served watching the waiver wire very carefully. There’s a chance that some team might negotiate a buy out for some overpaid, underperforming high profile player.

This won’t be your dream player. It’ll be someone like Kevin Love, Blake Griffin or Mike Conley. Fine players with age, injury and fit issues to consider.

Scrubs?

So half the rotation of the Lakers are scrubs? Ya, ok

DG is still a very good player, his advanced numbers are very high
A late 1st is still something
Kuzma has been up and down for us, but also game off a foot injury this year, lets see how he finishes the yr. He may be useful for a team he can start on, like OKC.
Avery is a neutral player, negative on O, plus on D
Mcgee has been a plus this year, underrated C who is a great lob and dunk threat, can block shots. Boston can use a bigger and longer C or they can use all the pieces, besides DG, to obtain a better C

LAL has a lot of depth at guard spots, but not many shot creators (lets see what dion can do though), which is why they would want a guy like Hayward

If OKC were to accept Kuzma, 1st, Mcgee, salary filler for Adams (which is a nice haul for an overpaid big), then Boston could get Danny and Adams for Hayward



Keep dreaming on Hayward. Mcgee isn't needed in Boston and both Theis and Williams have more value to Boston than he would. No matter how much you wish something won't make your delusions turn into reality.
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Re: Trade Challenge: Get The Lakers Another Star 

Post#46 » by bondom34 » Sun Jul 12, 2020 6:58 am

Wouldn't really be interested in Kuz and a late pick for Adams for OKC either honestly.

I don't see the Lakers having value for anyone at a star level on a plus value contract, which leaves guys like Paul who are stars but overpaid.
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Re: Trade Challenge: Get The Lakers Another Star 

Post#47 » by Resistance » Sun Jul 12, 2020 7:12 am

nzahir wrote:
Resistance wrote:
nzahir wrote:Anyone know what is allowed with sign and trades?

We have KCP bird rights, but are we allowed to use him to opt out and then sign a 1 year deal worth his max and send him to OKC?

If we could use him for a max of around 30mil and send out something like Rondo and Avery for filler in a CP3 deal, that would be nice

Just not sure what is allowed



Why would KCP opt out of his contract ($8,493,746) for next season?

1) If he would be part of a sign and trade to inflate his contract value, like 1 yr 20-30M to use for cp3 (if allowed)
2) Most players like to have a 2nd year or a PO in case they got a big injury

His value is around that number tbh, especially with the cap coming down and most teams having limited space this summer




If the sequence of things stays the same as it has been in the past, then the deadline for KCP to opt out would be before free agency starts. For KCP to know that he needs to opt out for a large Sign & Trade contract that would have him go to OKC (or similar), then he would need to know that the large jackpot is waiting for him at the time of his opt out deadline. How would he know that the large jackpot is there unless his agent was negotiating the deal with LAL and OKC prior to the start of free agency?

The league has said they are going to monitor/police contacts between teams, agents and players more than they have in the past.


NBA increases fines for tampering, unauthorized agreements

The NBA’s heightened vigilance against tampering announced Friday will only be as successful as the team owners’ commitment to stopping it or, at least, having the league enforce their rules against them.

An increase in fines for tampering, for entering into unauthorized agreements with players and even for talking about players under contract elsewhere passed unanimously, commissioner Adam Silver said, in a vote of the Board of Governors. Final figures still were to be determined, though reports have suggested the maximum fines could rise to $10 million for tampering, $6 million for improper deals and $5 million for comments enticing other teams’ players.

Tougher penalties, however, only matter if the league’s 30 franchises have the will to do what it takes to impose them. And the discipline not to do what triggers them. The meetings this week and Friday’s vote didn’t only give Silver a bigger stick to wield against such violations, they encouraged him to use it.

The message of the Board? “You need to do a better job enforcing the rules that are already on your books,” Silver said, “and do a better job ensuring that there is a culture around the league where people believe there are absolute consequences if you don't play by the rules.”

The frenzied free agent market this offseason, for instance, raised red flags about teams’ compliance with rules dictating when front-office executives and players’ representatives could begin negotiations. The number and enormity of deals that leaked out within minutes of the June 30 tipoff suggested that contract talks in many cases surely began before the designated period.



KCP opting out of his contract so he can get the huge Sign & Trade deal seems like something the league would be interested in hearing more about from LAL, OKC, KCP and his agent.
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Re: Trade Challenge: Get The Lakers Another Star 

Post#48 » by JB2 » Sun Jul 12, 2020 7:18 am

LeBron's texting Silver right now asking about that amnesty
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Re: Trade Challenge: Get The Lakers Another Star 

Post#49 » by FutureKnicksGM » Sun Jul 12, 2020 7:34 am

Agree on draft night (assuming options picked up), executed in offseason:

SAC Out: Cojo, #35
SAC In: Green

Get a solid vet for their playoff push (playing mostly backup 3).

OKC Out: CP3
OKC In: Cojo, KCP, Bradley, Cook, Rondo.

Move CP3 and start their rebuild. Save just under $7million in 20-21 money, and almost $42 million in 21-22 money.

LAL Out: Green, KCP, Bradley, Cook, Rondo
LAL In: CP3, #35

Get CP3 and an early second for Danny to help replace some of the depth they lost.

McGee/Dwight/?
AD/Kuzma/Melo?
LeBron/?/Horton
MLE/JR/#29
CP3/Caruso/#35

Hope for Justin Holiday with the MLE.


Could probably be MIN instead of SAC (JJ & 33).
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Re: Trade Challenge: Get The Lakers Another Star 

Post#50 » by nzahir » Sun Jul 12, 2020 8:15 am

armpit617 wrote:
nzahir wrote:
JRoy wrote:
No team is going to take 4-6 scrubs and a late pick for a star.

LAL might be better served watching the waiver wire very carefully. There’s a chance that some team might negotiate a buy out for some overpaid, underperforming high profile player.

This won’t be your dream player. It’ll be someone like Kevin Love, Blake Griffin or Mike Conley. Fine players with age, injury and fit issues to consider.

Scrubs?

So half the rotation of the Lakers are scrubs? Ya, ok

DG is still a very good player, his advanced numbers are very high
A late 1st is still something
Kuzma has been up and down for us, but also game off a foot injury this year, lets see how he finishes the yr. He may be useful for a team he can start on, like OKC.
Avery is a neutral player, negative on O, plus on D
Mcgee has been a plus this year, underrated C who is a great lob and dunk threat, can block shots. Boston can use a bigger and longer C or they can use all the pieces, besides DG, to obtain a better C

LAL has a lot of depth at guard spots, but not many shot creators (lets see what dion can do though), which is why they would want a guy like Hayward

If OKC were to accept Kuzma, 1st, Mcgee, salary filler for Adams (which is a nice haul for an overpaid big), then Boston could get Danny and Adams for Hayward



Keep dreaming on Hayward. Mcgee isn't needed in Boston and both Theis and Williams have more value to Boston than he would. No matter how much you wish something won't make your delusions turn into reality.

What about the Adams deal?

Adams and DG for Hayward basically?
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Re: Trade Challenge: Get The Lakers Another Star 

Post#51 » by nzahir » Sun Jul 12, 2020 8:16 am

Resistance wrote:
nzahir wrote:
Resistance wrote:

Why would KCP opt out of his contract ($8,493,746) for next season?

1) If he would be part of a sign and trade to inflate his contract value, like 1 yr 20-30M to use for cp3 (if allowed)
2) Most players like to have a 2nd year or a PO in case they got a big injury

His value is around that number tbh, especially with the cap coming down and most teams having limited space this summer




If the sequence of things stays the same as it has been in the past, then the deadline for KCP to opt out would be before free agency starts. For KCP to know that he needs to opt out for a large Sign & Trade contract that would have him go to OKC (or similar), then he would need to know that the large jackpot is waiting for him at the time of his opt out deadline. How would he know that the large jackpot is there unless his agent was negotiating the deal with LAL and OKC prior to the start of free agency?

The league has said they are going to monitor/police contacts between teams, agents and players more than they have in the past.


NBA increases fines for tampering, unauthorized agreements

The NBA’s heightened vigilance against tampering announced Friday will only be as successful as the team owners’ commitment to stopping it or, at least, having the league enforce their rules against them.

An increase in fines for tampering, for entering into unauthorized agreements with players and even for talking about players under contract elsewhere passed unanimously, commissioner Adam Silver said, in a vote of the Board of Governors. Final figures still were to be determined, though reports have suggested the maximum fines could rise to $10 million for tampering, $6 million for improper deals and $5 million for comments enticing other teams’ players.

Tougher penalties, however, only matter if the league’s 30 franchises have the will to do what it takes to impose them. And the discipline not to do what triggers them. The meetings this week and Friday’s vote didn’t only give Silver a bigger stick to wield against such violations, they encouraged him to use it.

The message of the Board? “You need to do a better job enforcing the rules that are already on your books,” Silver said, “and do a better job ensuring that there is a culture around the league where people believe there are absolute consequences if you don't play by the rules.”

The frenzied free agent market this offseason, for instance, raised red flags about teams’ compliance with rules dictating when front-office executives and players’ representatives could begin negotiations. The number and enormity of deals that leaked out within minutes of the June 30 tipoff suggested that contract talks in many cases surely began before the designated period.



KCP opting out of his contract so he can get the huge Sign & Trade deal seems like something the league would be interested in hearing more about from LAL, OKC, KCP and his agent.

But KCP could first opt out and say it was b/c he wanted more than 1 yr, very reasonable

And then LAL would look into sign and trade to up that number, all legal and actually plausible, no?
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Re: Trade Challenge: Get The Lakers Another Star 

Post#52 » by nzahir » Sun Jul 12, 2020 8:17 am

bondom34 wrote:Wouldn't really be interested in Kuz and a late pick for Adams for OKC either honestly.

I don't see the Lakers having value for anyone at a star level on a plus value contract, which leaves guys like Paul who are stars but overpaid.

Fair point, but is a 1st and Kuzma somewhat reasonable for Adams? Seems very fair
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Re: Trade Challenge: Get The Lakers Another Star 

Post#53 » by Resistance » Sun Jul 12, 2020 8:33 am

nzahir wrote:
Resistance wrote:
nzahir wrote:1) If he would be part of a sign and trade to inflate his contract value, like 1 yr 20-30M to use for cp3 (if allowed)
2) Most players like to have a 2nd year or a PO in case they got a big injury

His value is around that number tbh, especially with the cap coming down and most teams having limited space this summer




If the sequence of things stays the same as it has been in the past, then the deadline for KCP to opt out would be before free agency starts. For KCP to know that he needs to opt out for a large Sign & Trade contract that would have him go to OKC (or similar), then he would need to know that the large jackpot is waiting for him at the time of his opt out deadline. How would he know that the large jackpot is there unless his agent was negotiating the deal with LAL and OKC prior to the start of free agency?

The league has said they are going to monitor/police contacts between teams, agents and players more than they have in the past.


NBA increases fines for tampering, unauthorized agreements

The NBA’s heightened vigilance against tampering announced Friday will only be as successful as the team owners’ commitment to stopping it or, at least, having the league enforce their rules against them.

An increase in fines for tampering, for entering into unauthorized agreements with players and even for talking about players under contract elsewhere passed unanimously, commissioner Adam Silver said, in a vote of the Board of Governors. Final figures still were to be determined, though reports have suggested the maximum fines could rise to $10 million for tampering, $6 million for improper deals and $5 million for comments enticing other teams’ players.

Tougher penalties, however, only matter if the league’s 30 franchises have the will to do what it takes to impose them. And the discipline not to do what triggers them. The meetings this week and Friday’s vote didn’t only give Silver a bigger stick to wield against such violations, they encouraged him to use it.

The message of the Board? “You need to do a better job enforcing the rules that are already on your books,” Silver said, “and do a better job ensuring that there is a culture around the league where people believe there are absolute consequences if you don't play by the rules.”

The frenzied free agent market this offseason, for instance, raised red flags about teams’ compliance with rules dictating when front-office executives and players’ representatives could begin negotiations. The number and enormity of deals that leaked out within minutes of the June 30 tipoff suggested that contract talks in many cases surely began before the designated period.



KCP opting out of his contract so he can get the huge Sign & Trade deal seems like something the league would be interested in hearing more about from LAL, OKC, KCP and his agent.

But KCP could first opt out and say it was b/c he wanted more than 1 yr, very reasonable

And then LAL would look into sign and trade to up that number, all legal and actually plausible, no?


There is more about this topic at the link:

Enforcing the rules, beyond just imposing penalties after the fact, will require some serious policing by the NBA. Owners and top basketball executives will be required to certify that they will not engage in improper negotiations with players or their reps, giving the league more clout if they subsequently violate the rules. Five teams reportedly will be audited annually, with a framework on the extent of the league’s reach still in the works.

Silver confirmed that he has the power to take people’s cell phones, tablets and other devices, if necessary. While he’s sensitive to privacy concerns, the commissioner added: “It's my job to create an appropriate amount of tension in that area. Obviously, if people felt that they were absolutely free and clear to communicate in certain ways, you wouldn't be addressing the consequences notion of improper activity.”




If OKC was getting a huge return in your CP3 trade proposals, then maybe Presti would take a chance with early negotiations with KCP and his agent. Since you are offering mostly a grab bag of things, then the risk - reward consideration for OKC seems off.

If LAL is sending a 2020 first to OKC, then all involved would need to have the deal fairly firm at the time of the draft so LAL will pick the player that OKC wants. If the deal is fairly firmed up at the time of the draft with the huge contract to KCP generally agreed to, then it would indicate early (illegal) negotiations so KCP would know to opt out by his deadline and get his Sign & Trade deal.
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Re: Trade Challenge: Get The Lakers Another Star 

Post#54 » by nzahir » Sun Jul 12, 2020 10:51 am

FutureKnicksGM wrote:Agree on draft night (assuming options picked up), executed in offseason:

SAC Out: Cojo, #35
SAC In: Green

Get a solid vet for their playoff push (playing mostly backup 3).

OKC Out: CP3
OKC In: Cojo, KCP, Bradley, Cook, Rondo.

Move CP3 and start their rebuild. Save just under $7million in 20-21 money, and almost $42 million in 21-22 money.

LAL Out: Green, KCP, Bradley, Cook, Rondo
LAL In: CP3, #35

Get CP3 and an early second for Danny to help replace some of the depth they lost.

McGee/Dwight/?
AD/Kuzma/Melo?
LeBron/?/Horton
MLE/JR/#29
CP3/Caruso/#35

Hope for Justin Holiday with the MLE.


Could probably be MIN instead of SAC (JJ & 33).

I wonder if we could do something like this:

Mavs In: DG and Mcgee
Mavs out: Kleber or Delon, Justin Jackson, Boban, 2020 GS 2nd, own future 2nd

LAL In: CP3, 2022 LAC 1st, Mavs future 2nd
LAL Out: DG, Mcgee, Avery, Cook, Rondo, Kuzma, 2020 1st (I believe this works, could add THT if need be)

OKC In: LAL 2020 1st, GS 2nd, Kuzma, Cook, Rondo, Kleber/Delon, Justin Jackson, Boban
OKC Out: Cp3, 2022 LAC 1st

Thoughts?

Mavs get a solid 3 and d guy for the best 2nd rd pick and a future 2nd. Also get Mcgee, who will be useful for them.

Lakers get Cp3 and get to keep KCP in their backcourt. They get a future 1st for giving up their current one (salary reasons)

OKC gets to dump that cp3 contract and start over and they get Kuzma and a top 2nd to do it. They give up a clippers 1st, but gets the lakers first. They are forced to take on Rondo, Jackson, Boban and Cook expirings, which they will later cut or move at deadline. Also take on Kleber or Delon (both positive role guys)

I feel like Dallas gets a great deal, probably too good of a deal.
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Re: Trade Challenge: Get The Lakers Another Star 

Post#55 » by bondom34 » Sun Jul 12, 2020 11:19 am

nzahir wrote:
bondom34 wrote:Wouldn't really be interested in Kuz and a late pick for Adams for OKC either honestly.

I don't see the Lakers having value for anyone at a star level on a plus value contract, which leaves guys like Paul who are stars but overpaid.

Fair point, but is a 1st and Kuzma somewhat reasonable for Adams? Seems very fair

Not particularly to me. Adams is good and anly two years older. They're free agents the same year I believe and don't see Adams getting another deal nearly as big. There's another thread up currently where in general consensus seems Adams has positive value, and Kuz and the last pick in the first round does too....it's just very little value. And I don't see OKC being interested in him, basically it requires a player who the other team just wants to offload.

CP3 fits the bill better, but OKC also isn't going to consider adding in picks to move him.
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Re: Trade Challenge: Get The Lakers Another Star 

Post#56 » by Buzzard » Sun Jul 12, 2020 12:40 pm

nzahir wrote:
Buzzard wrote:
nzahir wrote:Salary in the summer: DG is at like 15M
Kuzma is about 3.5M
KCP and Mcgee can't block trades if they opt in

We don't have a ton, but trying to make a miracle out of Kuzma, 1st, and salaries (KCP, Avery, and Mcgee are all avg or above avg players according to adv numbers and eye test, so they aren't useless negative players)

I think CP3 deal is doable, but LAL needs future compensation for taking on that deal and giving up DG, Kuzma 1st, THT

Good luck trying to get Presti to give up a pick. He wants a pick back or CP3 will probably continue to help the young Thunder team grow. I think Conley is your best bet as far as someone just wanting to dump his contract; but that deal becomes valuable the closer it gets to the end of the 2021 season.

I bet OKC is going to love paying that salary and maybe even luxury tax to not contend

Cp3 has 2 more huge years after this one

OKC doesn't have to be the ones giving up anything, but they need to take on the salary. I bet a 3rd team would give up a not so great 2 year deal(s) and a late 1st for DG or even an expiring and late 1st

Maybe you have not noticed, but OKC is the 5th seed right now. The season before they were the 6th seed at season end. They also have multiple first round picks for the next 7 years.

Reality: If Presti was worried, Adams would have been gone already. Teams like Atlanta, Boston, and the Kings were/are interested in Adams.

I don't think he is worried. He has two veteran assets and one of them, Adams, clears his books in 2021 to the tune of 27.5 Million.
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Re: Trade Challenge: Get The Lakers Another Star 

Post#57 » by CoachD » Sun Jul 12, 2020 1:56 pm

nzahir wrote:
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nzahir wrote:Why is Aldridge a terrible fit?

He spreads the floor more than any of our other bigs and can be on the other side of AD or play High low
He can be a source of shot creation with his post up and mid range game

Conley is not a great option b/c of his high salary

I would think Lowry stays if I had to bet on it



Aldridge is not really a floor spreader. His 3 pt shooting this season has been forced with no decent shooters on the team.

His strength is mid post.

LeBron and AD dont want anybody else in the midpost because it clogs things up for them.

Plus LMA still envisions himself as #1 option.

Truthfully, Demar would be a bad fit for the exact same reason

I don't love LA either, but just throwing out options, he provides more spacing than someone like Mcgee

He did shoot the 3 well this season on low volume, but still shot it well

I may agree on DD, his poor defense and bad shooting is worrisome



People tend to use the term spacing interchangeably with 3pointers.

McGee / Dwight provide better spacing on the floor than LaMarcus would on a team with AD and Bron because they dont clog and space. They stand off the dunker spot, waiting for a drop off or a rebound.

They the keep the lane, the elbows and the wings clear
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Re: Trade Challenge: Get The Lakers Another Star 

Post#58 » by rugbyrugger23 » Sun Jul 12, 2020 2:11 pm

To Bulls: JJ (expiring) + KCP (expiring) + Spellman + 2020 Nets FRP via Wolves (#16) + 2020 Lakers FRP (#29)

To Wolves: Kuzma + Green

To Lakers: LaVine + Thad



Bulls get two FRPs for LaVine.

Wolves try Kuzma at forward and get Green some minutes at SF.

Lakers get shooting and scoring for James and Davis on LaVine’s value contract.
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Re: Trade Challenge: Get The Lakers Another Star 

Post#59 » by Buzzard » Sun Jul 12, 2020 2:42 pm

rugbyrugger23 wrote:To Bulls: JJ (expiring) + KCP (expiring) + Spellman + 2020 Nets FRP via Wolves (#16) + 2020 Lakers FRP (#29)

To Wolves: Kuzma + Green

To Lakers: LaVine + Thad



Bulls get two FRPs for LaVine.

Wolves try Kuzma at forward and get Green some minutes at SF.

Lakers get shooting and scoring for James and Davis on LaVine’s value contract.

I doubt the Bulls do this for 16 and 29. I love it for the Lakers. Timberwolves is not bad because they are not getting this type of value anywhere else for #16
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Re: Trade Challenge: Get The Lakers Another Star 

Post#60 » by Buzzard » Sun Jul 12, 2020 2:53 pm

rugbyrugger23 wrote:To Bulls: JJ (expiring) + KCP (expiring) + Spellman + 2020 Nets FRP via Wolves (#16) + 2020 Lakers FRP (#29)

To Wolves: Kuzma + Green

To Lakers: LaVine + Thad



Bulls get two FRPs for LaVine.

Wolves try Kuzma at forward and get Green some minutes at SF.

Lakers get shooting and scoring for James and Davis on LaVine’s value contract.

Something like this might get Markkanen from the Bulls.
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