Hawks/Kings

[Texas Chuck]

Its like you guys are taking it personal to influence the forum to your guys' thoughts.

I mean obviously we hope other people read our posts and that it influences their views somewhat. I realize lots of people don't post to interchange ideas so I have no hopes with those posters, but there are plenty here who enjoy give and take, sure. And make no mistake Hartford Whalers is one of the smartest posters on this board and he definitely has an influence and anyone who disregards him misses out.

But this idea that Hartford Whalers and I are on this board posting with an anti-Kings agenda is one of the stupidest things I've ever seen posted. And its way out of line.

[azuresou1]

This is god awful for the Hawks. Hield is empty calories who also has a massively inflated sense of his own value. Hard pass.

[BoogieTime]

Its like you guys are taking it personal to influence the forum to your guys' thoughts.

I mean obviously we hope other people read our posts and that it influences their views somewhat. I realize lots of people don't post to interchange ideas so I have no hopes with those posters, but there are plenty here who enjoy give and take, sure. And make no mistake Hartford Whalers is one of the smartest posters on this board and he definitely has an influence and anyone who disregards him misses out.

But this idea that Hartford Whalers and I are on this board posting with an anti-Kings agenda is one of the stupidest things I've ever seen posted. And its way out of line.

I didnt say you had a Kings bias, but maybe a tendency to go all or nothing with certain players. Can you see that Hield was just thought of as a good contract last year, so certain postivies may exist and things that hurt his play this year?

Your views on Hield though come across to some as ardent, and combative. They are far removed from the mainstream

[Texas Chuck]

I didnt say you had a Kings bias, but maybe a tendency to go all or nothing with certain players.

This doesn't really jibe with your call to arms to Kings' fans though right? If my problem is too strident an approach why should Kings fans specifically care?

No, this is I'm not high on Buddy Hield or Marvin Bagley and it emotionally upsets you and you reacted poorly. That's fine. I react poorly at times too. Of course I've never called on a fanbase to go at another poster, but you know...

I'm also much higher than the board on Harrison Barnes and Bjelica. But see you like those opinions because they are positive on the Kings so you don't call me out on those even though my opinion is further from the norm on both of them than it is on Hield or Bagley. So you are fine with it.


Relax dude. If I'm really a moron on these players the board will let me know. You don't have to summon Sactown Royalty to battle stations.

[Threezus]

This is a swing and a miss for the hawks my friend. I can't get on board with this one good sir.

[kalenclayton]

Just another Kings fan perspective. I like this trade for both teams if the following things are true:
-Hawks aren’t in love with a player at 6 but think they can get their guy at 12.
-Hawks are ready to run fast, fast, fast and shoot for the playoffs
-Kings have eyes on a guy who just won’t be there at 12, but will be at 6.
-The Buddy relationship is beyond repair
-McNair just doesn’t like Buddy’s fit with Fox and/or thinks Huerter will be just fine.

If all of those things are true, the trade gets done. If one is not true, then it gets declined. I personally really enjoy Hield, but the 19-20 ball handler version of him has to go. Before this year, he was fantastic at navigating, running off screens, and playing hard. As soon as the weird extension debacle happened, things changed. Walton misused the hell out of him and Buddy stopped playing with the fire that he gained so much fandom with. If McNair wants to wash his hands of this situation before even trying, I guess I can live with it. I just really think that Buddy will blow back up with whatever team he lands with. He is an incredible shooter.

[LightTheBeam]

I like it. Saves Sac some money, and we move up. Buddy and Trae would be the new splash bros. Up tempo team with a lead playmaker who can shoot is exactly what Buddy needs.

Huerter probably doesnt solve much for Sac, but at least he can shoot. Get a free look at him.

Capela, Collins, Hield, and Trae could at least make some 6th thru 8th seed noise. Either Reddish or Hunter make a splash in the coming years and things could get interesting.

This trade would for sure let Trae know the Hawks are putting forth the effort and the dollars.

Totally. Hield has a bad rep around here, he deserves some of it. But as with life, people tend to forget yesterday because of today. Teams drool over guys who shoot like him. There really aren't many replacements for that type of player. While yes its easy to acknowledge his flaws, he also presents one of the best skills in the current NBA.

Buddy is probably my favorite player, when he's on fire its incredible to watch. I know he's not happy in sac and hasn't been. Because of that, and Monte preaching flexibility its easy to see a trade between Sac and Atlanta.

Yall would have a really good starting lineup that could score with anyone.

We open up some space, and then draft Haliburton or Deni to pair with Fox and Bagley long term.

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[Buzzard]

Just another Kings fan perspective. I like this trade for both teams if the following things are true:
-Hawks aren’t in love with a player at 6 but think they can get their guy at 12.

I am not sure the Hawks think they can get their top guy at 12 but think they can get one of their guys at 12. I also think the Hawks could want to trade for a player similar to GSW or the Timberwolves. In order for them to trade down or even out of this draft that player has to be a starting caliber player they like. This trade proposes that Hield could be that type of player.

Its not necessarily because the Hawks view the draft as bad. Its because they want a proven player vs a rookie and waiting three years for him to hit his stride. Two years ago a trade like this would not have been a consideration in my opinion. But with Trae, Collins, and Capela they have high level NBA talent and maybe they just need to fill in the holes.

I am not saying this is a fact, its just an option. I honestly think its more likely that someone like Okongwu, Okoro, Haliburton, Killian, or Vassell is their choice and they are not moving off of 6.

[raleigh]

If the Hawks offered Bogdan Bogdanovic 24m / 23m / 22m /21m (4/90) type deal versus Hield 4/88:

Would Sac match and take their payroll over 120m?
Wouldn't Atlanta prefer the better player?

I cracked up at this. Should've put a "/thread" in there, too.

There's a few FA wings out there who would be at least as good value if not better than Hield.

[LightTheBeam]

If the Hawks offered Bogdan Bogdanovic 24m / 23m / 22m /21m (4/90) type deal versus Hield 4/88:

Would Sac match and take their payroll over 120m?
Wouldn't Atlanta prefer the better player?

I cracked up at this. Should've put a "/thread" in there, too.

There's a few FA wings out there who would be at least as good value if not better than Hield.

The only problem here is that it seems like Buddy/Sacramento relationship is over. So of course Sacramento would match and then find a home for Hield? It's not like 120 million payroll is set in stone. We have the ability to make moves and dumps.

Joseph to a team with a few seconds for cap space?
Bjelica for a pick?
Barnes to a contender for a lesser salary?
Once we match Atlanta is back to looking for an option, which leads us to this trade..

[Texas Chuck]

If the Hawks offered Bogdan Bogdanovic 24m / 23m / 22m /21m (4/90) type deal versus Hield 4/88:

Would Sac match and take their payroll over 120m?
Wouldn't Atlanta prefer the better player?

I cracked up at this. Should've put a "/thread" in there, too.

There's a few FA wings out there who would be at least as good value if not better than Hield.

The only problem here is that it seems like Buddy/Sacramento relationship is over. So of course Sacramento would match and then find a home for Hield? It's not like 120 million payroll is set in stone. We have the ability to make moves and dumps.

Joseph to a team with a few seconds for cap space?
Bjelica for a pick?
Barnes to a contender for a lesser salary?
Once we match Atlanta is back to looking for an option, which leads us to this trade..

I don't think 2nds dumps Joseph though maybe? Helps that the Kings have a couple good ones this year and all their own future plus 3 extras I guess.

Bjelica I believe can be moved for minor value while clearing his whole contract, but at absolute worst they just don't gte his contract.

Holmes could likely be moved readily.

Barnes is trickier. Not sure how much money could be saved here. His market is limited to teams wanting forward depth and not wanting to play in 21 FA.

This one will anger some so I hesitate to mention it, but Bagley's money could be moved too.

So I agree with you that they could move other money if they wanted to match Bogs, just not sure they should. Again, it angers posters but I would rather pay Atlanta something to take Buddy, and keep Bogs and my players that are assets. Then I could trade them will taking back salary and get better return if I wasn't trying to compete now.

[LightTheBeam]

I cracked up at this. Should've put a "/thread" in there, too.

There's a few FA wings out there who would be at least as good value if not better than Hield.

The only problem here is that it seems like Buddy/Sacramento relationship is over. So of course Sacramento would match and then find a home for Hield? It's not like 120 million payroll is set in stone. We have the ability to make moves and dumps.

Joseph to a team with a few seconds for cap space?
Bjelica for a pick?
Barnes to a contender for a lesser salary?
Once we match Atlanta is back to looking for an option, which leads us to this trade..

I don't think 2nds dumps Joseph though maybe? Helps that the Kings have a couple good ones this year and all their own future plus 3 extras I guess.

Bjelica I believe can be moved for minor value while clearing his whole contract, but at absolute worst they just don't gte his contract.

Holmes could likely be moved readily.

Barnes is trickier. Not sure how much money could be saved here. His market is limited to teams wanting forward depth and not wanting to play in 21 FA.

This one will anger some so I hesitate to mention it, but Bagley's money could be moved too.

So I agree with you that they could move other money if they wanted to match Bogs, just not sure they should. Again, it angers posters but I would rather pay Atlanta something to take Buddy, and keep Bogs and my players that are assets. Then I could trade them will taking back salary and get better return if I wasn't trying to compete now.

Well its going to be an exciting "summer" (Fall-Winter) when we start seeing the pieces drop. Some of us will be eating crow, just depends what side the ball lands!

[Buzzard]

If the Hawks offered Bogdan Bogdanovic 24m / 23m / 22m /21m (4/90) type deal versus Hield 4/88:

Would Sac match and take their payroll over 120m?
Wouldn't Atlanta prefer the better player?

I cracked up at this. Should've put a "/thread" in there, too.

There's a few FA wings out there who would be at least as good value if not better than Hield.

The only problem here is that it seems like Buddy/Sacramento relationship is over.
Joseph to a team with a few seconds for cap space?
Bjelica for a pick?
Barnes to a contender for a lesser salary?
Once we match Atlanta is back to looking for an option, which leads us to this trade..

Maybe the Hawks take in Buddy for Huerter and a lottery protected future first or a 2nd then. I am sure if the relationship is over, they want to move off of his contract and save face. That just might do it.

I know Schlenk said for any players he is looking to add, he is not wanting older players. I think 27 - 28 is his limit. Last season the locker room was a mess because they had players like Turner and Crabbe wanting starts to increase their next contract. He is not going to let that happen again.