[Woj] Rockets trade Ariza, #16 for DET future 1st

[R-DAWG]

Does Ariza hold any value to another team? Can’t imagine Detroit has him in their plans

Only $6.4 of his deal is guaranteed, but his contract is for $12.1MM. DET likely to release him and i'm sure he has value to a team like the Lakers on a minimum contract.

[VCfor3]

Does Ariza hold any value to another team? Can’t imagine Detroit has him in their plans

Only $6.4 of his deal is guaranteed, but his contract is for $12.1MM. DET likely to release him and i'm sure he has value to a team like the Lakers on a minimum contract.

Don't they have to guarantee that deal in order to complete the trade?

[psman2]

Does Ariza hold any value to another team? Can’t imagine Detroit has him in their plans

Only $6.4 of his deal is guaranteed, but his contract is for $12.1MM. DET likely to release him and i'm sure he has value to a team like the Lakers on a minimum contract.

This 6.4 million number? Is that what it changed to make the Covington trade? His previous guaranteed amount was 1.8m.

[Resistance]

Something CBA related to the Ariza trades.


64. What happens when a player is released? What are waivers? What is the Stretch provision?

Other rules related to waivers:

* Once a team puts a player on waivers, the waivers cannot be withdrawn.

* If a team requests waivers on a player after March 1, the player is ineligible to be included in the playoff roster of any team that subsequently signs or acquires him4.

* In the last season of a player's contract (or a season that may be the last due to an option or ETO) he must be waived in time for the 48-hour waiver period to elapse before the date of all 30 teams' final regular season games.

* Players claimed from waivers retain their Early-Bird rights (see question number 25) just as if they had been traded. If a player with full Bird rights is claimed from waivers, his status drops from full Bird to Early Bird.

* When a team trades a player who is subsequently waived by the receiving team, it cannot claim the player off waivers or re-sign the player until the one-year anniversary of the trade, or until the July 1 following the end of his contract5, whichever is earlier6.

* A "buyout" is actually a combination of altering the player's contract to change the guarantee and/or payment schedule, then waiving the player (see question number 66).

* A player's non-protected salary is removed from the team salary as soon as the team requests waivers.

* If a team claims a player on waivers, it cannot trade the player for 30 days if the claim was made during a season. If the player was claimed during the offseason, he cannot be traded until the 30th day of the following regular season.

* The 48 hour waiver period continues into and through the July Moratorium (see question number 105). Teams are allowed to waive players and claim waived players during the Moratorium. Salaries adjust at the start of the Moratorium, so waivers initiated on June 29 or 30 may require a different salary amount to claim.

* A system of "partial waivers" is available under certain circumstances (see question number 68).

* If a team chooses to stretch the cap hit of a waived player's salary (see question number 65), it cannot re-sign or re-acquire the player until the end of the original term of the contract.

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6 Interestingly, a player can be traded to a third team, waived by the third team, and be eligible to re-sign with his original team before the waiting period expires. While this has not happened in practice, the league clarified its interpretation of this rule in 2017, in regard to a possible instance with Andrew Bogut.

If I have it correct, Ariza could go back to Portland if he is waived by Detroit.

[HartfordWhalers]

Does Ariza hold any value to another team? Can’t imagine Detroit has him in their plans

Only $6.4 of his deal is guaranteed, but his contract is for $12.1MM. DET likely to release him and i'm sure he has value to a team like the Lakers on a minimum contract.

This 6.4 million number? Is that what it changed to make the Covington trade? His previous guaranteed amount was 1.8m.

I thought the 6.4 was people subtracting the cash paid for that LAL 2nd from Ariza's deal. Ariza is 11m or w/e; but Houston send 4.6m cash so its like i is 6.4m. Maybe I'm wrong?

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That seems pretty likely to convey. In which case the value is pretty ok - if you're willing to wait a pick likely to be over/under maybe #20 in a random draft for #16 in this one feels fine - the savings are a bonus.

Obviously there's a bigger question of whether Houston ought to be adopting a strategy of punting on this year and acquiring far future assets, but if that's the plan this is a decent value way to pull it off.

[Resistance]

Does Ariza hold any value to another team? Can’t imagine Detroit has him in their plans

He is probably considered to be a Veteran Minimum ($2,564,753) to maybe a BAE ($3.623 million) level player.

Maybe he can be flipped for a lesser amount of bad salary which will give Detroit a bit more cap space to work with. Not sure if he can pull a second round pick.

[babyjax13]

Fertita was cheap before COVID. Obviously it hurt his bottom line, but if Harden/Westbrook asked out without COVID we'd be seeing the same thing, IMO. Just sucks for Houston fans (which I'm sure they are tired of hearing).

[CptCrunch]

This isn't 'that' bad.

You are saving 1.8m in salary by dumping Ariza. Ariza can't be in the plans seeing Roco wasn't even in it.

16th pick in a weak draft for some late teens to pick within few years.

Also opens up 9.xm MLE.

This is all assuming Harden gets shipped minimally within next 3 months for a bluechip young player.

[JasonStern]

Have absolutely no idea what Houston is doing.

The Ariza back to Portland conspiracy theory is pretty cool, though.

[MoneyTalks41890]

Ariza is fully guaranteed folks.

[jayjaysee]

Does Ariza hold any value to another team? Can’t imagine Detroit has him in their plans

Ariza and Snell for Powell, Wright, and 18 would be on the table if you get it before other Dallas fans hear..

[Scoot McGroot]

I have to crunch some number, but Rodney Hood’s surprising opt out may even mean this deal couldve been done as a 3 way, with Ariza’s small partial guarantee completely left in place and just sent to Detroit. This would require Portland to go under the cap and sacrifice the full MLE and using the room exception instead, as well as renouncing Hassan.

I read on one of the salary sites that Ariza’s guarantee date was in October. Idk if it got pushed back due to the schedule change.

It got pushed back with all the rest to November, but before the Pistons would be able to have cap space to absorb him. He’ll guarantee.

[chrbal]

Does Ariza hold any value to another team? Can’t imagine Detroit has him in their plans

Ariza and Snell for Powell, Wright, and 18 would be on the table if you get it before other Dallas fans hear..

We only owe Ariza like $6.4 million. Take out him and Powell, we’ll find a 2nf to give you

[Texas Chuck]

Does Ariza hold any value to another team? Can’t imagine Detroit has him in their plans

Ariza and Snell for Powell, Wright, and 18 would be on the table if you get it before other Dallas fans hear..

We only owe Ariza like $6.4 million. Take out him and Powell, we’ll find a 2nf to give you

yeah dallas isn't giving 18 to swap snell/delon obviously....

[chrbal]

Ariza and Snell for Powell, Wright, and 18 would be on the table if you get it before other Dallas fans hear..

We only owe Ariza like $6.4 million. Take out him and Powell, we’ll find a 2nf to give you

yeah dallas isn't giving 18 to swap snell/delon obviously....

Neither version had any real shot of happening.

[HartfordWhalers]

We only owe Ariza like $6.4 million. Take out him and Powell, we’ll find a 2nf to give you

yeah dallas isn't giving 18 to swap snell/delon obviously....

Neither version had any real shot of happening.

It would be great if you didn't intentionally propose a bad counter trade. And that one was.

[jayjaysee]

Does Ariza hold any value to another team? Can’t imagine Detroit has him in their plans

Ariza and Snell for Powell, Wright, and 18 would be on the table if you get it before other Dallas fans hear..

We only owe Ariza like $6.4 million. Take out him and Powell, we’ll find a 2nf to give you

Take out Wright then, not Powell obviously.. But I don’t really think this Ariza contract talk is correct. That doesn’t sound right to me.
Detroit fans have been turning down this idea for a long while. Ariza doesn’t change anything to it really.

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I actually think the trade is a lose lose.. Detroit is going to need a mid first more in 4-5 years than they do now. And Houston just loses. Really don’t like this deal for either side, somehow.