[Woj] Fournier to BOS

[Prokorov]

What an awful deal for BOS. Team is f-ing trash and Fournier ain't fixing it in HALF a season. And now pretty much and chance at landing an actual difference maker into the TPE is gone with like $10-11M left.

The only positive spin here could be that I guess BOS could re-sign Fournier with bird rights and still have the MLE to use this offseason. But that probably requires ownership to go a lot damn deeper into the luxury tax than any ownership group should be willing to for Evan Fournier and a mini-MLE player.

Is this a joke? Lmao

I think there is a legit argument that the TPE is worth more then a half season rental of fournier. it means even less time for neismith and romeo. and they didnt really fix a need other then having another nba calibur bench shooter. which would be great if they had someone to pass him the ball,

[hugepatsfan]

What an awful deal for BOS. Team is f-ing trash and Fournier ain't fixing it in HALF a season. And now pretty much and chance at landing an actual difference maker into the TPE is gone with like $10-11M left.

The only positive spin here could be that I guess BOS could re-sign Fournier with bird rights and still have the MLE to use this offseason. But that probably requires ownership to go a lot damn deeper into the luxury tax than any ownership group should be willing to for Evan Fournier and a mini-MLE player.

Is this a joke? Lmao

I think there is a legit argument that the TPE is worth more then a half season rental of fournier. it means even less time for neismith and romeo. and they didnt really fix a need other then having another nba calibur bench shooter. which would be great if they had someone to pass him the ball,

Well they have a very good P&R ball handler and passer on the team in Marcus Smart. But he's an off ball SG because Tatum/Brown/Kemba all refuse to play any sort of an off-ball offensive role and none of them are the passer/playmaker Smart is.

Trading for another passer/playmaker won't do anything if our scorers refuse to play off the ball.

[Prokorov]

Is this a joke? Lmao

I think there is a legit argument that the TPE is worth more then a half season rental of fournier. it means even less time for neismith and romeo. and they didnt really fix a need other then having another nba calibur bench shooter. which would be great if they had someone to pass him the ball,

Well they have a very good P&R ball handler and passer on the team in Marcus Smart. But he's an off ball SG because Tatum/Brown/Kemba all refuse to play any sort of an off-ball offensive role and none of them are the passer/playmaker Smart is.

Trading for another passer/playmaker won't do anything if our scorers refuse to play off the ball.

I think you need an onball guy who commans the respect of being on-ball. i thought lonzo was that guy.

[hugepatsfan]

I think there is a legit argument that the TPE is worth more then a half season rental of fournier. it means even less time for neismith and romeo. and they didnt really fix a need other then having another nba calibur bench shooter. which would be great if they had someone to pass him the ball,

Well they have a very good P&R ball handler and passer on the team in Marcus Smart. But he's an off ball SG because Tatum/Brown/Kemba all refuse to play any sort of an off-ball offensive role and none of them are the passer/playmaker Smart is.

Trading for another passer/playmaker won't do anything if our scorers refuse to play off the ball.

I think you need an onball guy who commans the respect of being on-ball. i thought lonzo was that guy.

Lonzo ball hasn't performed at a level that would seem likely to persuade Tatum/Brown/Kemba to play off the ball but whatever works is fine by me.

[Spin Move]

This is a wait and see judgment for me as a Boston fan, on its own Fournier for 2 2nds is a good value, however we used the TPE and if no other moves are made slipped into tax territory (this might be fixable trade Semi and Tremont Waters and cash to a willing taker). If Fourneir resigns on a reasonable deal or even does an S and T where we get a new TPE this is a good deal. If he walks for nothing then it is Meh. If we slip back under the tax and re-sign him I am a fan, we need another legit expierienced player and Fournier can be good scoring off the bench for us which we badly need. We still need another player up front but if you can get a 18 ppg pretty efficient guy for 2 2nds you do it. Late 2nds are not worth much and with fournier we should be able to climb back up in the standings.

This teams biggest weakness has been bench scoring, guys who should not be playing in the NBA are getting way too many minutes Fournier elimintes needing to you Semi and Green, he will stunt the growth of Nesmith for a while but Nesmith has lots of time to develop. We still need another front court pace but fourner scores and we needed bench scoring, so in the short term this is a big win. Long term, time will tell. I am concerned we could have found a better use for the TPE.

[kalenclayton]

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[Texas Chuck]

I change this from a win for Boston to a tie. Losing Theis instead of paying to dump some of their end of bench fodder of which they have an absolute ton is just stupid.

I mostly defend Ainge, but this was poorly managed.

[Spin Move]

I change this from a win for Boston to a tie. Losing Theis instead of paying to dump some of their end of bench fodder of which they have an absolute ton is just stupid.

I mostly defend Ainge, but this was poorly managed.

That was my initial reaction as well but I think Theis thing was done becuase we did not intend to bring him back and to force Brad to give Williams more minutes, with including Teague in this deal I don't think we needed to move thies to get under the tax, we could have traded Semi and payed them cash considerations to eat his deal. They suppedly also traded Green who was another guy Brad liked to play instead of giving young guys minutes. I do not like the Thies deal but the Fournier deal by including Teague did not make it required.

[HartfordWhalers]

I change this from a win for Boston to a tie. Losing Theis instead of paying to dump some of their end of bench fodder of which they have an absolute ton is just stupid.

I mostly defend Ainge, but this was poorly managed.

Calling bull on this.

This trade was a win. The other trade was tom foolery. You cannot dock this one because they absolutely horribly screwed up the follow up; especially as teams like GS could dump players perfectly fine.

[Texas Chuck]

I change this from a win for Boston to a tie. Losing Theis instead of paying to dump some of their end of bench fodder of which they have an absolute ton is just stupid.

I mostly defend Ainge, but this was poorly managed.

Calling bull on this.

This trade was a win. The other trade was tom foolery. You cannot dock this one because they absolutely horribly screwed up the follow up; especially as teams like GS could dump players perfectly fine.

Fine. This was a win. The Theis trade was a loss.

Net: meh and Ainge's attachment to his bad draft picks should really tick off my fellow Celtic fans.

[sportfan6197]

What an awful deal for BOS. Team is f-ing trash and Fournier ain't fixing it in HALF a season. And now pretty much and chance at landing an actual difference maker into the TPE is gone with like $10-11M left.

The only positive spin here could be that I guess BOS could re-sign Fournier with bird rights and still have the MLE to use this offseason. But that probably requires ownership to go a lot damn deeper into the luxury tax than any ownership group should be willing to for Evan Fournier and a mini-MLE player.

Is this a joke? Lmao

I think there is a legit argument that the TPE is worth more then a half season rental of fournier. it means even less time for neismith and romeo. and they didnt really fix a need other then having another nba calibur bench shooter. which would be great if they had someone to pass him the ball,

1) why is Fournier a half season rental?

2) there is still plenty of opportunity for the young guys. Kemba doesn’t play back to backs and Jaylen will probably start resting more as well. Even with Fournier the opportunity is there for others to take minutes

3) think it was rather silly to just “hope” there would be a player worth adding to TPE that wouldn’t cost picks+prospects. Who exactly was going to be that guy?

4) I would say they fixed a huge need. Boston’s offense was anemic whenever they didn’t have Kemba Jaylen and Tatum out there. Fournier is bad defensively but his combo of 3PT shooting, passing, off-ball scoring, and finishing is good. He’s not Hayward, but he gives you probably 80% reproduction and 50% cost.

Playmaking is still an issue. Tbh I wouldn’t be surprised if we add a PG rather than a wing with open spot.

I love this deal for the Celtics

[NBAhipster24]

Why didn't the Celtics offer Tristan and first for Fournier? Then they could have kept Theis

[Hal14]

Is this a joke? Lmao

I think there is a legit argument that the TPE is worth more then a half season rental of fournier. it means even less time for neismith and romeo. and they didnt really fix a need other then having another nba calibur bench shooter. which would be great if they had someone to pass him the ball,

1) why is Fournier a half season rental?

2) there is still plenty of opportunity for the young guys. Kemba doesn’t play back to backs and Jaylen will probably start resting more as well. Even with Fournier the opportunity is there for others to take minutes

3) think it was rather silly to just “hope” there would be a player worth adding to TPE that wouldn’t cost picks+prospects. Who exactly was going to be that guy?

4) I would say they fixed a huge need. Boston’s offense was anemic whenever they didn’t have Kemba Jaylen and Tatum out there. Fournier is bad defensively but his combo of 3PT shooting, passing, off-ball scoring, and finishing is good. He’s not Hayward, but he gives you probably 80% reproduction and 50% cost.

Playmaking is still an issue. Tbh I wouldn’t be surprised if we add a PG rather than a wing with open spot.

I love this deal for the Celtics

I agree with most of this.

But Fournier is actually a pretty good passer so I think this helps our ball movement. Fournier's assist rate is 20.6, which would rank him 3rd on the Celtics team among rotation players, only behind Kemba and Smart - while Fournier is doing it in lower usage than Kemba. Based on the numbers, the Celtics passers are ranked 1) Smart 2) Fournier 3) Walker

Also, I don't see the Celtics adding a PG. Theis and Teague are gone. Not only to save cap room but to ensure Robert Williams and Pritchard get more mins. No one is going to want to trade for Kemba and his massively overpriced contract, especially since he's weak on D, is getting old and can't even play on 2nd night of back to backs. Celtics are stuck with him through end of his contract in 2023. In the meantime you groom Pritchard as the PG of the future. Kemba needs to get mins at PG because you're paying him $34 mil a year - and he's actually still pretty good (really good scoring game last night bucks)..Pritchard has to get mins because he's your PG of the future. Any PG mins that are left over you play Smart, who can play either spot but is best suited for SG. I just don't see the point (no pun intended) in adding another PG. At this point our biggest need remains a stretch 4 who can shoot, rebound and play D. I'd like to see them make a move for Nance, we'll see..

[Skybox]

This is absolute theft by BOS. Fournier in a sixth man role with a green light for two picks in the 50’s. I was sure it’d be part one a bigger Gordon trade but it’s still great for BOS. He can go off any night and he’s big and can handle the ball. He’s also the fiercest guy on ORL (was) so playing for a meaningful goal should bring out his unselfish best...you should have taken Birch too and maybe upgraded the return to Langford or Nesmith. That would have been more of a win-win. Picking up the shell of Aldridge will not give you the effort and physical grinding of Birch that you guys need most.

[orlando_joe]

fournier should help boston more then 2-2nds helps magic...if boston does not resign him ..magic win ..this trade wont get boston over top..this yr...voted both

[Prokorov]

1) why is Fournier a half season rental?

Because he is a free agent at the end of the season

2) there is still plenty of opportunity for the young guys. Kemba doesn’t play back to backs and Jaylen will probably start resting more as well. Even with Fournier the opportunity is there for others to take minutes;/quote]

with teague going out, this doesnt seem to be a concern

3) think it was rather silly to just “hope” there would be a player worth adding to TPE that wouldn’t cost picks+prospects. Who exactly was going to be that guy?

its not hope. worst case scenario you dont use the TPE and thats not much worse then fournier who is a rental who doesnt move the needle.

4) I would say they fixed a huge need. Boston’s offense was anemic whenever they didn’t have Kemba Jaylen and Tatum out there. Fournier is bad defensively but his combo of 3PT shooting, passing, off-ball scoring, and finishing is good. He’s not Hayward, but he gives you probably 80% reproduction and 50% cost.

He helped lead the leagues 3rd worst offense. he isnt the awnser to offensive woes.

Playmaking is still an issue. Tbh I wouldn’t be surprised if we add a PG rather than a wing with open spot.

I love this deal for the Celtics

this deal to me is like blake ot the nets. its basically free so you do it. but the upside is far lower then the name value

[Hal14]

Why didn't the Celtics offer Tristan and first for Fournier? Then they could have kept Theis

ORL probably has zero interest in Thompson....although I suppose that may have been worth it for ORL to get a 1st round pick instead of two 2nds..

From BOS perspective, I actually think long term Wagner is a upgrade over Theis.

Wagner is 3 inches taller, 5 years younger, a step quicker, less expensive contract, better passer. Wagner is a really strong finisher, really good defender..

[kingcong95]

Why didn't the Celtics offer Tristan and first for Fournier? Then they could have kept Theis

ORL probably has zero interest in Thompson....although I suppose that may have been worth it for ORL to get a 1st round pick instead of two 2nds..

From BOS perspective, I actually think long term Wagner is a upgrade over Theis.

Wagner is 3 inches taller, 5 years younger, a step quicker, less expensive contract, better passer. Wagner is a really strong finisher, really good defender..

I can understand why Orlando would feel leery about having Harris and TT on the books next year when they know they're going nowhere.

But if Wagner was that good, why did the Wizards decline his 4th year option?

[Ducklett]

What 2nds were traded? I can't find it anywhere.