Woj: Dipo to Miami

ThatBoyNick · Post #41 » by **ThatBoyNick** » Thu Mar 25, 2021 7:31 pm

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Not exact but close enough, I'll take a partial cookie

Post #42 » by **BBallFreak** » Thu Mar 25, 2021 7:32 pm

Scoot McGroot wrote:
R-DAWG wrote:
gom wrote:
He takes Avery Bradley's position.

They have Nunn and Dragic at PG

Oladipo and Herro at SG

Butler and Robinson at SF

Bejelicia and Ariza at PF

Adebayo and Awchuia at C

I foresee a lot of Butler at the 4 in the playoffs, in order to get plenty of minutes for Oladipo, Herro, Robinson, etc.

I don't. I would expect LMA to come in the buyout market...

R-DAWG · Post #43 » by **R-DAWG** » Thu Mar 25, 2021 7:33 pm

BBallFreak wrote:
Scoot McGroot wrote:
R-DAWG wrote:
They have Nunn and Dragic at PG

Oladipo and Herro at SG

Butler and Robinson at SF

Bejelicia and Ariza at PF

Adebayo and Awchuia at C

I foresee a lot of Butler at the 4 in the playoffs, in order to get plenty of minutes for Oladipo, Herro, Robinson, etc.

I don't. I would expect LMA to come in the buyout market...

Miami will basically be 12 deep with rotation players if they add Aldridge. I could see Awchia falling out of the rotation, same with Nunn.

Post #44 » by **Texas Chuck** » Thu Mar 25, 2021 7:34 pm

Butler is definitely playing a lot of 4. or Iggy LMA if he shows plays center and Precious sits on the bench. But Bjelica/Ariza should not be playing a combined 48 minutes. Probably not even 30.

BlazersBroncos · Post #45 » by **BlazersBroncos** » Thu Mar 25, 2021 7:35 pm

I mean, this is preposterously cheap for Miami. Even if you dont like Vic, the talent level he brings is easily worth this cost.

Post #46 » by **BBallFreak** » Thu Mar 25, 2021 7:36 pm

Texas Chuck wrote:Butler is definitely playing a lot of 4. or Iggy LMA if he shows plays center and Precious sits on the bench. But Bjelica/Ariza should not be playing a combined 48 minutes. Probably not even 30.

I think we can use LMA because of Bam's quickness and LMA's shooting. Pair them together...

Post #47 » by **Scoot McGroot** » Thu Mar 25, 2021 7:36 pm

BBallFreak wrote:
Scoot McGroot wrote:
R-DAWG wrote:
They have Nunn and Dragic at PG

Oladipo and Herro at SG

Butler and Robinson at SF

Bejelicia and Ariza at PF

Adebayo and Awchuia at C

I foresee a lot of Butler at the 4 in the playoffs, in order to get plenty of minutes for Oladipo, Herro, Robinson, etc.

I don't. I would expect LMA to come in the buyout market...

Even with LMA, I don't love benching Butler/Robinson/Herro/Oladipo in order to play Bjelica/Ariza/LMA. There's only so many minutes. I'm all for keeping Dragic fresh and Nunn staying around 15-20 or less, but, that's a lot of guys that can offer you something just so you can play a bit more old school style of basketball.

Post #48 » by **jbk1234** » Thu Mar 25, 2021 7:37 pm

I need more info on the swap, but it's hard to believe that the Rockets couldn't have gotten a similar return in a S&T scenario.

I know there's no guarantee that the opportunity presents itself, but still this is bad for the Rockets.

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Post #49 » by **Scoot McGroot** » Thu Mar 25, 2021 7:38 pm

jbk1234 wrote:I need more info on the swap, but it's hard to believe that the Rockets couldn't have gotten a similar return in a S&T scenario.

I know there's no guarantee that the opportunity presents itself, but still this is bad for the Rockets.

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There's probably some value in moving him out, and moving on with what you have. It's probably a relief to Silas, too.

Post #50 » by **Scoot McGroot** » Thu Mar 25, 2021 7:40 pm

R-DAWG wrote:
Scoot McGroot wrote:
R-DAWG wrote:
They have Nunn and Dragic at PG

Oladipo and Herro at SG

Butler and Robinson at SF

Bejelicia and Ariza at PF

Adebayo and Awchuia at C

I foresee a lot of Butler at the 4 in the playoffs, in order to get plenty of minutes for Oladipo, Herro, Robinson, etc.

They basically play positionless basketball if they have 3 of Butler, Herro, Dragic, Oladipo, Iguodala and Nunn on the floor. All those guys can guard multipe positons, create and play off the ball.

I don't see us disagreeing :lol:

Post #51 » by **bondom34** » Thu Mar 25, 2021 7:46 pm

jbk1234 wrote:I need more info on the swap, but it's hard to believe that the Rockets couldn't have gotten a similar return in a S&T scenario.

I know there's no guarantee that the opportunity presents itself, but still this is bad for the Rockets.

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Pacersike · Post #52 » by **Pacersike** » Thu Mar 25, 2021 7:51 pm

Where is the Oladipo wins option?

That special player we saw 2018 hasn't been around in all those other years and Victor basically torpeded all his trade value with his public Miami seduction.

Pacers also participate in winning this trade.

doctor him · Post #53 » by **doctor him** » Thu Mar 25, 2021 7:52 pm

Saw this on the Twitter, but I'm curious about the answer myself if any Houston fans can answer the question.

Why didn't the Rockets just keep Lavert in the Harden deal???

This type of thing is what happens when you don't take the best offer on the table (Simmons/Thybulle) and decide that you want to act out personal beefs in professional settigs.

ThatBoyNick · Post #54 » by **ThatBoyNick** » Thu Mar 25, 2021 7:53 pm

To give an example of what this is or could be for Houstons end

If we look at the Nets current draft position at #26, and what would be the Heats current draft position at #17, if the Nets/Heat have similar draft positions in 2022, this could theoretically be the value equivalent of Houston trading up 9 spots, which would be equivalent to a very late 1st or very early 2nd. So I don't see this as terrible.

The protections will matter.

Post #55 » by **jbk1234** » Thu Mar 25, 2021 7:55 pm

bondom34 wrote:
jbk1234 wrote:I need more info on the swap, but it's hard to believe that the Rockets couldn't have gotten a similar return in a S&T scenario.

I know there's no guarantee that the opportunity presents itself, but still this is bad for the Rockets.

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Is it just this year? Because they also have the Bucks 2022 first.

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Post #56 » by **HartfordWhalers** » Thu Mar 25, 2021 7:57 pm

ThatBoyNick wrote:Do to give an example of what this is or could be for Houstons end

If we look at the Nets current draft position at #26, and what would be the Heats current draft position at #17, if the Nets/Heat have similar draft positions in 2022, this could theoretically be the value equivalent of Houston trading up 9 spots, which would be equivalent to a very late 1st or very early 2nd. So I don't see this as terrible.

The protections will matter.

Up those 9 spots is absolutely a late 1st in value, no need to downplay it with the inclusion of early 2nd.

ThatBoyNick · Post #57 » by **ThatBoyNick** » Thu Mar 25, 2021 7:57 pm

doctor him wrote:Saw this on the Twitter, but I'm curious about the answer myself if any Houston fans can answer the question.

Why didn't the Rockets just keep Lavert in the Harden deal???

This type of thing is what happens when you don't take the best offer on the table (Simmons/Thybulle) and decide that you want to act out personal beefs in professional settigs.

They didn't want his salary, were scared of him becoming a negative asset, liked Dipo thought he'd play well re-coup some value for a deadline deal, had hopes of extending him on a favorable deal and getting more value as well. It didn't work out at all on Dipo inproving his value, it's yet to be seen what LeVert's value will be, he had a good game the other night, but Dipo had a good game to start the year off with us too, he's historically been an inefficient scorer and poor defender.

Post #58 » by **MoneyTalks41890** » Thu Mar 25, 2021 7:59 pm

jbk1234 wrote:
bondom34 wrote:
jbk1234 wrote:I need more info on the swap, but it's hard to believe that the Rockets couldn't have gotten a similar return in a S&T scenario.

I know there's no guarantee that the opportunity presents itself, but still this is bad for the Rockets.

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Is it just this year? Because they also have the Bucks 2022 first.

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They gave that back for the 2023 1st. It's just the Houston and BKN 1sts in 2022.

ThatBoyNick · Post #59 » by **ThatBoyNick** » Thu Mar 25, 2021 8:00 pm

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ThatBoyNick · Post #60 » by **ThatBoyNick** » Thu Mar 25, 2021 8:04 pm

HartfordWhalers wrote:
ThatBoyNick wrote:Do to give an example of what this is or could be for Houstons end

If we look at the Nets current draft position at #26, and what would be the Heats current draft position at #17, if the Nets/Heat have similar draft positions in 2022, this could theoretically be the value equivalent of Houston trading up 9 spots, which would be equivalent to a very late 1st or very early 2nd. So I don't see this as terrible.

The protections will matter.

Up those 9 spots is absolutely a late 1st in value, no need to downplay it with the inclusion of early 2nd.

Right, and that's an ideal scenario, Heat could easily have an improved record next year, Nets could have injuries, the pick may be protected and Heat could have injuries etc. So the value here, like the PJ deal, like the Harden deal, like the WB/Wall deal, like the WB/CP3 deal... is all yet to be known, not exactly a calming time to be a Rocket fan, this organization is very much on ultra-thin line of being a complete and utter clown show with repetitious mistakes and misjudgments... gotta hope we get luck with a lot of pick scenarios.

Oladipo to Heat: your take?