Your best offer for Jusuf Nurkić, Anfernee Simons & Derrick Jones Jr.

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Re: Your best offer for Jusuf Nurkić, Anfernee Simons & Derrick Jones Jr. 

Post#41 » by zimpy27 » Sat Jun 12, 2021 3:37 am

StreakyJ wrote:
zimpy27 wrote:Mavs should give it a try with Brunson, Green, J-Rich, WCS

Lillard, CJ, Norm, Covington, Powell -- Brunson, Green, J-Rich, Collins

Doncic, Simons, DFS, Porzingis, Nurkic -- Burke, DJJ, Kleber, Powell


If I'm Dallas I'm shopping Kleber hard and keeping Powell. Kleber has gotten manhandled by LAC last 2 post seasons. If you can package he and KP for a team that needs outside shooting bigs for some more physical/agile bigs to roll harder off Luca, do it.

Maybe a big shake up trade:
PTL out: Nurkic, CJ, DJJ, NPowell
PTL in: KP, Hardaway, Kleber, Caulie-Stein, TBurke, JRich

Why?
PTL: Better straight floor spacer in Hardaway over CJ to open up lanes for Dame; same for Kleber/KP legit spot up perimeter threat; KP/Hardaway get more touches than Dallas with solid hockey-assist Covinton; Caulie-Stein defensive athletic big PTL sorely missed last year; TBurke/Kleber/JRich defined bench players -- Dallas hurt themselves playing them starter minutes -- they will thrive more off the bench

Dame/Simons/TBurke
Simons/JDame/JRich
Hardaway/JRich/Covington
Covington/Kleber/NLittle
KP/Cauley-Stein/Kleber

DAL: Nurkic legit half-court post relieves Luca and doesn't mind playing slower; CJ relieves Luca being able to play legit playmaker for bonafide minutes (better there than Hardaway who was streaky); DJJ less fickle than JRich and brings same athletic wing D; Powell with CJ brings the consistent O/D and hustle and speeds up the offense when needed and runs. Luca can take legit breaks and not worry about offense falling off a cliff due to mental focus (CJ and Powell are solid vets and Nurkic a bonafide stat stuffer threat hence big upgrade at C versus KP's AWOL act for 2 seasons).

Luca/Brunson
CJ/DJJ/JGreen
NPowell/DJJ
DFS/DPowell
Nurkic/DPowell


Players on both teams need a change of scenery and playing style relative to the top dog. This addresses a lot of both.


I actually think the value is like this:
WCS+Kleber+J-Rich = Nurkic+DJJ
Porzingis+Brunson = CJ

POR get: Porzingis, Kleber, WCS, Brunson, J-Rich
Dame, Powell, Covington, Kleber, Porzingis -- Brunson, Simons, J-Rich, Collins, WCS

DAL get: CJ, Nurkic, DJJ
CJ, THJ, Doncic, DFS, Nurkic -- Burke, DJJ, Powell
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Re: Your best offer for Jusuf Nurkić, Anfernee Simons & Derrick Jones Jr. 

Post#42 » by nykballa2k4 » Sat Jun 12, 2021 3:43 am

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Yet somehow fill none of our needs.

Maybe BKN should move that value to a team that wants them. POR doesnt.


So that's a "Dinwiddie is the better asset" then?


Im sure some team could use him.


So Mavs trade for Dinwiddie to extend him and send POR Powell or Kleber and WCS

Maybe Knicks give you one or both FRP for Dinwiddie?

Maybe Houston gives you Wood? (depends who they are drafting, if they plan to move Wall)
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Re: Your best offer for Jusuf Nurkić, Anfernee Simons & Derrick Jones Jr. 

Post#43 » by JRoy » Sat Jun 12, 2021 3:49 am

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JRoy wrote:
nykballa2k4 wrote:
So that's a "Dinwiddie is the better asset" then?


Im sure some team could use him.


So Mavs trade for Dinwiddie to extend him and send POR Powell or Kleber and WCS

Maybe Knicks give you one or both FRP for Dinwiddie?

Maybe Houston gives you Wood? (depends who they are drafting, if they plan to move Wall)


I’d rather just keep Nurk.

Not a fan of Simons though.
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Re: Your best offer for Jusuf Nurkić, Anfernee Simons & Derrick Jones Jr. 

Post#44 » by StreakyJ » Sat Jun 12, 2021 3:52 am

zimpy27 wrote:
StreakyJ wrote:
zimpy27 wrote:Mavs should give it a try with Brunson, Green, J-Rich, WCS

Lillard, CJ, Norm, Covington, Powell -- Brunson, Green, J-Rich, Collins

Doncic, Simons, DFS, Porzingis, Nurkic -- Burke, DJJ, Kleber, Powell


If I'm Dallas I'm shopping Kleber hard and keeping Powell. Kleber has gotten manhandled by LAC last 2 post seasons. If you can package he and KP for a team that needs outside shooting bigs for some more physical/agile bigs to roll harder off Luca, do it.

Maybe a big shake up trade:
PTL out: Nurkic, CJ, DJJ, NPowell
PTL in: KP, Hardaway, Kleber, Caulie-Stein, TBurke, JRich

Why?
PTL: Better straight floor spacer in Hardaway over CJ to open up lanes for Dame; same for Kleber/KP legit spot up perimeter threat; KP/Hardaway get more touches than Dallas with solid hockey-assist Covinton; Caulie-Stein defensive athletic big PTL sorely missed last year; TBurke/Kleber/JRich defined bench players -- Dallas hurt themselves playing them starter minutes -- they will thrive more off the bench

Dame/Simons/TBurke
Simons/JDame/JRich
Hardaway/JRich/Covington
Covington/Kleber/NLittle
KP/Cauley-Stein/Kleber

DAL: Nurkic legit half-court post relieves Luca and doesn't mind playing slower; CJ relieves Luca being able to play legit playmaker for bonafide minutes (better there than Hardaway who was streaky); DJJ less fickle than JRich and brings same athletic wing D; Powell with CJ brings the consistent O/D and hustle and speeds up the offense when needed and runs. Luca can take legit breaks and not worry about offense falling off a cliff due to mental focus (CJ and Powell are solid vets and Nurkic a bonafide stat stuffer threat hence big upgrade at C versus KP's AWOL act for 2 seasons).

Luca/Brunson
CJ/DJJ/JGreen
NPowell/DJJ
DFS/DPowell
Nurkic/DPowell


Players on both teams need a change of scenery and playing style relative to the top dog. This addresses a lot of both.


I actually think the value is like this:
WCS+Kleber+J-Rich = Nurkic+DJJ
Porzingis+Brunson = CJ

POR get: Porzingis, Kleber, WCS, Brunson, J-Rich
Dame, Powell, Covington, Kleber, Porzingis -- Brunson, Simons, J-Rich, Collins, WCS

DAL get: CJ, Nurkic, DJJ
CJ, THJ, Doncic, DFS, Nurkic -- Burke, DJJ, Powell


Retort:

--Kleber's not an NBA starter, he's not a dog. He's a solid backup and needs to accept it, and so do you or you hurt your squad.
--Hardaway and CJ together starting backcourt is a huge defensive liability. Don't like it at all.
--Brunson played terrific for Dallas. Don't see them in a hurry to get rid of him.
--NPowell never was jumping for joy being traded to PTL. I seriously doubt he resigns (or even signs) for PTL to try to keep him. I can see however see NPowell signing in Dallas, as they have the $$ and Powell knows a solid organization vs. a $#@% one.
--Hardaway is cost-effective for PTL vs. CJ with Powell pretty much gone either by trade or walking.

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