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[kalenclayton]

Not sure, what to make of James, but he always seemed like a good guy to have around the locker room. Maybe a good 13-14th man.

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[daoneandonly]

Not sure, what to make of James, but he always seemed like a good guy to have around the locker room. Maybe a good 13-14th man.

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Yea seemed like a decent we bought guy to have at the end of the bench

[Diop]

Wolves want Simmons and need a 3rd team with win now pieces. A commentator mentioned Charlotte have been testing what Hayward could get in a trade. Could something work here?

[Scoot McGroot]

Wolves want Simmons and need a 3rd team with win now pieces. A commentator mentioned Charlotte have been testing what Hayward could get in a trade. Could something work here?

Philly probably would prefer Hayward to Beasley/Prince, for example, but would Charlotte want to make that type of swap?

[MasterIchiro]

Wolves want Simmons and need a 3rd team with win now pieces. A commentator mentioned Charlotte have been testing what Hayward could get in a trade. Could something work here?

Philly probably would prefer Hayward to Beasley/Prince, for example, but would Charlotte want to make that type of swap?

Nope. If the Sixers prefer Hayward to Beasley/Prince what are the Wolves offering to not get cut out? What is the Wolves piece the Sixers must have in the deal? Edwards? Sounds like the Sixers need to pick a lane between a future with Edwards and a win now with Hayward. Simmons isn't worth both.

[drosestruts]

Boston just created a $17M trade exception by making Fournier to the Knicks a sign & trade. Do they use this trade exception to take in Markkanen? would that make sense for their team?

Reports are the Bulls have wanted a first round pick for Lauri and to not take back any long-term money. If Celtics were willing to give a 1st, Boston could get fit Markkanen into their trade exception and Chicago could get their 1st (recouping a pick given up for Vuc and DeMar) while taking back no money.

Pretty sure it would put Boston into the tax, not sure how comfortable they are with that.

[HartfordWhalers]

Boston just created a $17M trade exception by making Fournier to the Knicks a sign & trade. Do they use this trade exception to take in Markkanen? would that make sense for their team?

Reports are the Bulls have wanted a first round pick for Lauri and to not take back any long-term money. If Celtics were willing to give a 1st, Boston could get fit Markkanen into their trade exception and Chicago could get their 1st (recouping a pick given up for Vuc and DeMar) while taking back no money.

Pretty sure it would put Boston into the tax, not sure how comfortable they are with that.

Not just tax; but over the hard cap making it illegal.

I think its hard to see the Bulls getting a 1st and taking no money back either way; the other team if they could should just challenge Chicago to accept at this point; or at least get off bad money for a 1st.

[HartfordWhalers]

Wolves want Simmons and need a 3rd team with win now pieces. A commentator mentioned Charlotte have been testing what Hayward could get in a trade. Could something work here?

Philly probably would prefer Hayward to Beasley/Prince, for example, but would Charlotte want to make that type of swap?

Nope. If the Sixers prefer Hayward to Beasley/Prince what are the Wolves offering to not get cut out? What is the Wolves piece the Sixers must have in the deal? Edwards? Sounds like the Sixers need to pick a lane between a future with Edwards and a win now with Hayward. Simmons isn't worth both.

If the choice is between Edwards and Hayward, is it even considered a choice?

[MasterIchiro]

Philly probably would prefer Hayward to Beasley/Prince, for example, but would Charlotte want to make that type of swap?

Nope. If the Sixers prefer Hayward to Beasley/Prince what are the Wolves offering to not get cut out? What is the Wolves piece the Sixers must have in the deal? Edwards? Sounds like the Sixers need to pick a lane between a future with Edwards and a win now with Hayward. Simmons isn't worth both.

If the choice is between Edwards and Hayward, is it even considered a choice?

Definitely an easier choice than Simmons and Hayward. There is no deal to be had with the Wolves involving the Hornets. Good luck getting Edwards.

[HartfordWhalers]

Nope. If the Sixers prefer Hayward to Beasley/Prince what are the Wolves offering to not get cut out? What is the Wolves piece the Sixers must have in the deal? Edwards? Sounds like the Sixers need to pick a lane between a future with Edwards and a win now with Hayward. Simmons isn't worth both.

If the choice is between Edwards and Hayward, is it even considered a choice?

Definitely an easier choice than Simmons and Hayward. There is no deal to be had with the Wolves involving the Hornets. Good luck getting Edwards.

Not really sure what that is all about.

You posted comparing Hayward's value to Edwards' and it just wasn't remotely close. Trying to bash the Sixers/Simmons doesn't change that.

[MasterIchiro]

If the choice is between Edwards and Hayward, is it even considered a choice?

Definitely an easier choice than Simmons and Hayward. There is no deal to be had with the Wolves involving the Hornets. Good luck getting Edwards.

Not really sure what that is all about.

You posted comparing Hayward's value to Edwards' and it just wasn't remotely close. Trying to bash the Sixers/Simmons doesn't change that.

All I was saying was if the Sixers are targeting a third team for someone like Hayward then the Wolves would have to forfeit Edwards to not get cut out. If the Sixers want both Hayward and Edwards that's not happening. Simmons is not worth both.

You stripped out the parts like I'm equating Hayward and Edwards when the reality is the Sixers may not have the option of Edwards in the first place. There likely is no choice between Edwards and Hayward. So that's a value statement you made.

[Scoot McGroot]

Wolves want Simmons and need a 3rd team with win now pieces. A commentator mentioned Charlotte have been testing what Hayward could get in a trade. Could something work here?

Philly probably would prefer Hayward to Beasley/Prince, for example, but would Charlotte want to make that type of swap?

Nope. If the Sixers prefer Hayward to Beasley/Prince what are the Wolves offering to not get cut out? What is the Wolves piece the Sixers must have in the deal? Edwards? Sounds like the Sixers need to pick a lane between a future with Edwards and a win now with Hayward. Simmons isn't worth both.

I didn’t mean at all to imply that Beasley/Prince = Simmons = Hayward. Obviously, there would be other value, and Charlotte would merely be a tertiary involvement, as Simmons > Minnesota picks or rookie contracts > Hayward.

[Resistance]

Boston just created a $17M trade exception by making Fournier to the Knicks a sign & trade. Do they use this trade exception to take in Markkanen? would that make sense for their team?

Reports are the Bulls have wanted a first round pick for Lauri and to not take back any long-term money. If Celtics were willing to give a 1st, Boston could get fit Markkanen into their trade exception and Chicago could get their 1st (recouping a pick given up for Vuc and DeMar) while taking back no money.

Pretty sure it would put Boston into the tax, not sure how comfortable they are with that.

Basketball Insiders and Spotrac have them already over the Luxury Tax Line.

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Boston

The team salary is in the area of the Hard Cap of $143,002,000. Since a team doing a Sign & Trade is not allowed to go over the Hard Cap, they would need to send out about the same amount of salary that is coming in.

[MasterIchiro]

Philly probably would prefer Hayward to Beasley/Prince, for example, but would Charlotte want to make that type of swap?

Nope. If the Sixers prefer Hayward to Beasley/Prince what are the Wolves offering to not get cut out? What is the Wolves piece the Sixers must have in the deal? Edwards? Sounds like the Sixers need to pick a lane between a future with Edwards and a win now with Hayward. Simmons isn't worth both.

I didn’t mean at all to imply that Beasley/Prince = Simmons = Hayward. Obviously, there would be other value, and Charlotte would merely be a tertiary involvement, as Simmons > Minnesota picks or rookie contracts > Hayward.

I wouldn't want any Wolves rookie contracts (aside from Edwards which is not happening) for Hayward. Also, Hornets wouldn't want picks for Hayward as the Hornets want to win now, and have no cap issues. Hornets are not a fit as a third team. But the main point is, if the Wolves don't want to trade Edwards, they're not getting Simmons, third team or not.

[Scoot McGroot]

Nope. If the Sixers prefer Hayward to Beasley/Prince what are the Wolves offering to not get cut out? What is the Wolves piece the Sixers must have in the deal? Edwards? Sounds like the Sixers need to pick a lane between a future with Edwards and a win now with Hayward. Simmons isn't worth both.

I didn’t mean at all to imply that Beasley/Prince = Simmons = Hayward. Obviously, there would be other value, and Charlotte would merely be a tertiary involvement, as Simmons > Minnesota picks or rookie contracts > Hayward.

I wouldn't want any Wolves rookie contracts (aside from Edwards which is not happening) for Hayward. Also, Hornets wouldn't want picks for Hayward as the Hornets want to win now, and have no cap issues. Hornets are not a fit as a third team. But the main point is, if the Wolves don't want to trade Edwards, they're not getting Simmons, third team or not.

I never made a statement regarding Edwards at all, so not sure why you responded to me then?

Otherwise, sounds like you’re sleeping on guys like McDaniels and even Naz Reid, to a lesser extent. I understand not loving Okogie, though I think he could be productive in the right spot.

[MasterIchiro]

I didn’t mean at all to imply that Beasley/Prince = Simmons = Hayward. Obviously, there would be other value, and Charlotte would merely be a tertiary involvement, as Simmons > Minnesota picks or rookie contracts > Hayward.

I wouldn't want any Wolves rookie contracts (aside from Edwards which is not happening) for Hayward. Also, Hornets wouldn't want picks for Hayward as the Hornets want to win now, and have no cap issues. Hornets are not a fit as a third team. But the main point is, if the Wolves don't want to trade Edwards, they're not getting Simmons, third team or not.

I never made a statement regarding Edwards at all, so not sure why you responded to me then?

Otherwise, sounds like you’re sleeping on guys like McDaniels and even Naz Reid, to a lesser extent. I understand not loving Okogie, though I think he could be productive in the right spot.

I'm bringing up Edwards because I'm assuming Morey is demanding him. And if the Wolves were willing to relinquish Edwards the deal would be done yesterday. So this idea of a third team is to cover for a value gap between the Sixers ask and the Wolves bid. I want no part of it. McDaniels is a 4. We have Miles + Washington + Kai Jones + Thor + his brother Jalen. Naz is a 5 and we have Kai Jones as our future 5. And it seems the Sixers should want someone's PG to replace Simmons. Rozier is probably more valuable than Hayward. And what am I trading him for? A surplus 4 and a 5 when I already like my long term prospects at both positions?

[Scoot McGroot]

I wouldn't want any Wolves rookie contracts (aside from Edwards which is not happening) for Hayward. Also, Hornets wouldn't want picks for Hayward as the Hornets want to win now, and have no cap issues. Hornets are not a fit as a third team. But the main point is, if the Wolves don't want to trade Edwards, they're not getting Simmons, third team or not.

I never made a statement regarding Edwards at all, so not sure why you responded to me then?

Otherwise, sounds like you’re sleeping on guys like McDaniels and even Naz Reid, to a lesser extent. I understand not loving Okogie, though I think he could be productive in the right spot.

I'm bringing up Edwards because I'm assuming Morey is demanding him. And if the Wolves were willing to relinquish Edwards the deal would be done yesterday. So this idea of a third team is to cover for a value gap between the Sixers ask and the Wolves bid. I want no part of it. McDaniels is a 4. We have Miles + Washington + Kai Jones + Thor + his brother Jalen. Naz is a 5 and we have Kai Jones as our future 5. And it seems the Sixers should want someone's PG to replace Simmons. Rozier is probably more valuable than Hayward. And what am I trading him for? A surplus 4 and a 5 when I already like my long term prospects at both positions?

A big problem on this board is the thought that a 3rd team can solve a value issue, either here or in real life. A 3rd team can only solve a fit issue. If the value isn’t there, splitting a difference by adding more teams doesn’t solve it. I’m talking in broad big picture ideas in this thread because I assume that the rest of a potential deal would be worked out fairly. I’m not expecting Charlotte to take a bad deal just to help get Simmons to Minnesota, or vice versa.

[GopherIt!]

Edwards is essentially untouchable. Even if Minny could somehow get BS and keep Ant, the fit is highly questionable imo. Minny needs to surround Ant w shooters and guys who play off ball. BS problem is between his ears. He is not the kind of person I want around Ant & the other pups.

[MasterIchiro]

Edwards is essentially untouchable. Even if Minny could somehow get BS and keep Ant, the fit is highly questionable imo. Minny needs to surround Ant w shooters and guys who play off ball. BS problem is between his ears. He is not the kind of person I want around Ant & the other pups.

It's a bad time for Ben Simmons to be on the market and fall out of favor with Doc and Embiid.

Space is increasing and Simmons shrinks it. His value bottomed out when he passed up a dunk thinking he'd have to make a foul shot. He's coming off a playoffs where the league saw a max player taken out of closing lineups. If he's traded, the return may be lower than fans might expect. He's still a prolific passer and full court threat and defender though. He just didn't look like a half-court player in the playoffs where the game slows, the defense tightens and you need to threaten from three or hit threes to create more space. I don't see a better player going back to the Sixers in any deal, certainly not a blue chip prospect. Because of the things he does at an elite level (pass, defend, rebound), his value is likely volatile from team to team. Teams that really needed his passing solved their PG issue like the Bulls with Lonzo, Knicks with Kemba. He could be the Lauri Markkanen of the trade market, crashing value, shrinking market.

[Scoot McGroot]

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