What are some of the best trade offers for Ayton?

[zimpy27]

If OKC trade for him now then they ruin their tank..

Their best option is to SnT in offseason or just max him in RFA.

Yeah we can't trade for him now because we still have a lot of young players that need to improve (Giddey essentially) and our pick is lotto protected. No reason for OKC to make any significant move before next offseason.

Yeah I could see OKC offering pretty good value in a sign and trade re picks.

yeah I think OKC will stay pat for now and get aggressive with Aytons salary and potential buying rights via SnT.

Best possible timing for them, they can see if they get a top pick or not.

Something like SGA, Dort, Giddey, Banchero, Ayton would be absurd..

[blind prophet]

I can't see them trading him. Just really hard to trade him and get better now. And they still control his rights.

Sarver can be cheap.

But if he is RFA Just tough negotiations.

[MoneyTalks41890]

The basis is Richaun Holmes for Ayton. What needs to get added?

[zimpy27]

The basis is Richaun Holmes for Ayton. What needs to get added?

Davion or Hali

[VCfor3]

Yeah we can't trade for him now because we still have a lot of young players that need to improve (Giddey essentially) and our pick is lotto protected. No reason for OKC to make any significant move before next offseason.

Yeah I could see OKC offering pretty good value in a sign and trade re picks.

yeah I think OKC will stay pat for now and get aggressive with Aytons salary and potential buying rights via SnT.

Best possible timing for them, they can see if they get a top pick or not.

Something like SGA, Dort, Giddey, Banchero, Ayton would be absurd..

Ok but if it gets to a point where Ayton is clearly going to get moved, waiting may cost OKC the opportunity to get a good young player to add to their core. Players like him generally aren't available so trying to wait in order to tank may cost them the opportunity to get him. If another team trades for him, they are doing so knowing full well they may have to max him so it isn't like OKC will scare that team off with a big offer. I also think adding Ayton isn't going to suddenly launch OKC into the playoffs so they'll be keeping their pick.

I do agree though that in general waiting as long as OKC can in order to maximize the tank this season would be best which is what both of you are clearly saying. Would be funny if they decide to unload a chunk of their war chest and get Simmons and Ayton next offseason plus a top pick in the draft to add to SGA and the rest of the OKC youth. As long as you ignore 3pt shooting and the overall fit, an Ayton/Simmons front court with SGA and Dort would be fun defensively.

[MoneyTalks41890]

The basis is Richaun Holmes for Ayton. What needs to get added?

Davion or Hali

I was thinking about Ayton, Saric, filler for Holmes, Barnes, prot 1st

[enzino]

https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7480836
ayton to BOS for R.Williams, Nesmith, FRP

[Ghost of Kleine]

Would Rockets be interested giving up Wood+FRPs for Ayton?

Could Barnes+Boucher get Ayton?

I don't see either of those packages getting it done for Ayton. I think that they'd be solid starts though. But more significant value would need to be added to get the deal done for Phoenix in my estimation. Intriguing starters nevertheless.

[Ghost of Kleine]

Siakam + 2FRPs for Ayton + Filler

Siakim is a hell of a player. But the problem I'm mainly seeing in a trade for him is that he's already making max money. And I just don't see Sarver committing max money in addition to his current payroll. If he was ok with it. Then he should've just maxed Ayton anyways. I think Siakim would need to be flipped to a 3rd team for vet pieces and miscellaneous assets.
Maybe like to Sacramento for Holmes/ Hield/ Davion Mitchell/ Sacramento 2022 first?

Then for Phoenix I'd look to flip Holmes/ Hield and maybe Saric or Smith for a better available center option?
Keeping the sac 22' first to use on one of Patrick Baldwin, Yannick Zsosa, or Damion Collins.

[eminence]

Houston would offer up Wood + expiring vets (House, Augustin) + Garuba (rookie pf), BKN 2022 1st, MIL 2023 1st, BKN 2024 1st - and suck up Saric's contract.

Then, I would have to strongly consider trading Ayton to get Kuminga + whatever (Wiseman is ok but prefer Moody).

That's a good deal. They'd probably want a third team tied in though to get more than Wood back with those picks.

I could see it as a realistic 4 teamer.

GS In: Ayton
GS Out: Wiseman/Kuminga/'22 1st

HOU In: Wiseman/Kuminga
HOU Out: Wood/picks(unsure how many)

PHX In: Wood/???
PHX Out: Ayton/Saric

??? In: Saric/picks
??? Out: ???

With maybe some smaller contracts like House involved if the win now teams (PHX/GS) are interested in them. What could be a 4th team with a decent guy on a cheapish salary that would take Saric for picks? Depending on who that could be some picks might still go to Phoenix.

Obviously big assumption on the Warriors FO signing up for it, but possible.

Boucher/Thad Young/a memphis guy come to mind as possibilities.

[Ghost of Kleine]

KAT would be nice in Phoenix for sure and Minny can build around Edwards/Ayton.

I also think Raps would be keen on Ayton.


What about Ayton as the basis of a package to get Simmons to the Suns? And then Ayton to a third team that gives 76ers a piece.
Would Blazers build around Ayton?

Problem with KAT, is not sure things can go south enough by trade deadline. Also, Wolves wouldn’t want Ayton as centerpiece of deal. If trading KAT, they don’t want a player about to hit RFA asking for max or worse via S&T in offseason. A third team is needed that has a recently drafted blue chip prospect or premium draft pick. And then the question becomes, “Why not just trade for KAT direct, bypass Ayton.”

Here is one that could work…

To OKC: Ayton + Saric

To Suns: Towns + Filler

To Wolves: Giddey + Suns Draft Capital

Not sure Thunder would part with Giddey for Ayton.

Who covers the center position for the Wolves after this trade? Also not sure the Wolves would find the value acceptable with the suns draft Capital if the suns swapped out Kat for Ayton and Saric. Those picks with Paul still on board along with Booker/ Bridges/ Ctowder/ KAT would probably be mid to late 20s' at best right. It's a really solid deal for the suns, But not so much for the wolves in retrospect right? I think that Wolves would need/ expect more coming back for KAT!

[zimpy27]

Houston would offer up Wood + expiring vets (House, Augustin) + Garuba (rookie pf), BKN 2022 1st, MIL 2023 1st, BKN 2024 1st - and suck up Saric's contract.

Then, I would have to strongly consider trading Ayton to get Kuminga + whatever (Wiseman is ok but prefer Moody).

That's a good deal. They'd probably want a third team tied in though to get more than Wood back with those picks.

I could see it as a realistic 4 teamer.

GS In: Ayton
GS Out: Wiseman/Kuminga/'22 1st

HOU In: Wiseman/Kuminga
HOU Out: Wood/picks(unsure how many)

PHX In: Wood/???
PHX Out: Ayton/Saric

??? In: Saric/picks
??? Out: ???

With maybe some smaller contracts like House involved if the win now teams (PHX/GS) are interested in them. What could be a 4th team with a decent guy on a cheapish salary that would take Saric for picks? Depending on who that could be some picks might still go to Phoenix.

Obviously big assumption on the Warriors FO signing up for it, but possible.

Boucher/Thad Young/a memphis guy come to mind as possibilities.

Maybe just simplified to this:

GS In: Ayton
GS Out: Wiseman/Kuminga/'22 1st

HOU In: Wiseman
HOU Out: Wood

PHX In: Wood/Kuminga/'22 1st
PHX Out: Ayton/Saric

[Takingbaconback]

That's a good deal. They'd probably want a third team tied in though to get more than Wood back with those picks.

I could see it as a realistic 4 teamer.

GS In: Ayton
GS Out: Wiseman/Kuminga/'22 1st

HOU In: Wiseman/Kuminga
HOU Out: Wood/picks(unsure how many)

PHX In: Wood/???
PHX Out: Ayton/Saric

??? In: Saric/picks
??? Out: ???

With maybe some smaller contracts like House involved if the win now teams (PHX/GS) are interested in them. What could be a 4th team with a decent guy on a cheapish salary that would take Saric for picks? Depending on who that could be some picks might still go to Phoenix.

Obviously big assumption on the Warriors FO signing up for it, but possible.

Boucher/Thad Young/a memphis guy come to mind as possibilities.

Maybe just simplified to this:

GS In: Ayton
GS Out: Wiseman/Kuminga/'22 1st

HOU In: Wiseman
HOU Out: Wood

PHX In: Wood/Kuminga/'22 1st
PHX Out: Ayton/Saric

Probably gotta have Moody going to Houston at least. Wiseman for Wood is a bad deal for the Rockets

[eminence]

That's a good deal. They'd probably want a third team tied in though to get more than Wood back with those picks.

I could see it as a realistic 4 teamer.

GS In: Ayton
GS Out: Wiseman/Kuminga/'22 1st

HOU In: Wiseman/Kuminga
HOU Out: Wood/picks(unsure how many)

PHX In: Wood/???
PHX Out: Ayton/Saric

??? In: Saric/picks
??? Out: ???

With maybe some smaller contracts like House involved if the win now teams (PHX/GS) are interested in them. What could be a 4th team with a decent guy on a cheapish salary that would take Saric for picks? Depending on who that could be some picks might still go to Phoenix.

Obviously big assumption on the Warriors FO signing up for it, but possible.

Boucher/Thad Young/a memphis guy come to mind as possibilities.

Maybe just simplified to this:

GS In: Ayton
GS Out: Wiseman/Kuminga/'22 1st

HOU In: Wiseman
HOU Out: Wood

PHX In: Wood/Kuminga/'22 1st
PHX Out: Ayton/Saric

What happened to Saric?

I have that a bit short for Houston, but yeah, I could see the idea too, with PHX getting to decide if they keep the prospect (Kuminga) or look to shop him later.

[LarsV8]

Houston would offer up Wood + expiring vets (House, Augustin) + Garuba (rookie pf), BKN 2022 1st, MIL 2023 1st, BKN 2024 1st - and suck up Saric's contract.

Then, I would have to strongly consider trading Ayton to get Kuminga + whatever (Wiseman is ok but prefer Moody).

Way way to much for Houston to give up.

I could see it as a realistic 4 teamer.

GS In: Ayton
GS Out: Wiseman/Kuminga/'22 1st

HOU In: Wiseman/Kuminga
HOU Out: Wood/picks(unsure how many)

PHX In: Wood/???
PHX Out: Ayton/Saric

??? In: Saric/picks
??? Out: ???

With maybe some smaller contracts like House involved if the win now teams (PHX/GS) are interested in them. What could be a 4th team with a decent guy on a cheapish salary that would take Saric for picks? Depending on who that could be some picks might still go to Phoenix.

Obviously big assumption on the Warriors FO signing up for it, but possible.

Boucher/Thad Young/a memphis guy come to mind as possibilities.

Wood for Wiseman / Kuminga is a good starting point, but we have to talk about what picks, if any are included.

Houston can take back bad money as well

[zimpy27]

I could see it as a realistic 4 teamer.

GS In: Ayton
GS Out: Wiseman/Kuminga/'22 1st

HOU In: Wiseman/Kuminga
HOU Out: Wood/picks(unsure how many)

PHX In: Wood/???
PHX Out: Ayton/Saric

??? In: Saric/picks
??? Out: ???

With maybe some smaller contracts like House involved if the win now teams (PHX/GS) are interested in them. What could be a 4th team with a decent guy on a cheapish salary that would take Saric for picks? Depending on who that could be some picks might still go to Phoenix.

Obviously big assumption on the Warriors FO signing up for it, but possible.

Boucher/Thad Young/a memphis guy come to mind as possibilities.

Maybe just simplified to this:

GS In: Ayton
GS Out: Wiseman/Kuminga/'22 1st

HOU In: Wiseman
HOU Out: Wood

PHX In: Wood/Kuminga/'22 1st
PHX Out: Ayton/Saric

What happened to Saric?

I have that a bit short for Houston, but yeah, I could see the idea too, with PHX getting to decide if they keep the prospect (Kuminga) or look to shop him later.

Oh I probably wouln't have Saric going out, Smith instead could go to Houston to improve the deal.

GS In: Ayton
GS Out: Wiseman/Kuminga/'22 1st

HOU In: Wiseman/Smith
HOU Out: Wood

PHX In: Wood/Kuminga/'22 1st
PHX Out: Ayton/Smith

[Wolveswin]

Problem with KAT, is not sure things can go south enough by trade deadline. Also, Wolves wouldn’t want Ayton as centerpiece of deal. If trading KAT, they don’t want a player about to hit RFA asking for max or worse via S&T in offseason. A third team is needed that has a recently drafted blue chip prospect or premium draft pick. And then the question becomes, “Why not just trade for KAT direct, bypass Ayton.”

Here is one that could work…

To OKC: Ayton + Saric

To Suns: Towns + Filler

To Wolves: Giddey + Suns Draft Capital

Not sure Thunder would part with Giddey for Ayton.

Who covers the center position for the Wolves after this trade? Also not sure the Wolves would find the value acceptable with the suns draft Capital if the suns swapped out Kat for Ayton and Saric. Those picks with Paul still on board along with Booker/ Bridges/ Ctowder/ KAT would probably be mid to late 20s' at best right. It's a really solid deal for the suns, But not so much for the wolves in retrospect right? I think that Wolves would need/ expect more coming back for KAT!

See below from other thread, Wolves would have Reid and Favors to cover center.

As for better offer than Giddey + 1sts, not sure, but depends on how Wolves feel about him as prospect. Plus trading Towns before 2022 offseason and after lotto, means Wolves 1st is more tankish.

To Suns: Towns + Filler

To OKC: Ayton + Saric

To Wolves: Giddey + Favors + Smith + Multiple Suns 1sts (including 2022 now unprotected from OKC)

C: Paolo or Chet or Yannick or Duren (2022 Wolves 1st)
PF: Smith
SF: McDaniels
SG: Edwards
PG: Giddey

Trade away Beasley and Russell when they can. 2023 should be a top 8 1st too.

[Ghost of Kleine]

Here is one that could work…

To OKC: Ayton + Saric

To Suns: Towns + Filler

To Wolves: Giddey + Suns Draft Capital

Not sure Thunder would part with Giddey for Ayton.

Who covers the center position for the Wolves after this trade? Also not sure the Wolves would find the value acceptable with the suns draft Capital if the suns swapped out Kat for Ayton and Saric. Those picks with Paul still on board along with Booker/ Bridges/ Ctowder/ KAT would probably be mid to late 20s' at best right. It's a really solid deal for the suns, But not so much for the wolves in retrospect right? I think that Wolves would need/ expect more coming back for KAT!

See below from other thread, Wolves would have Reid and Favors to cover center.

As for better offer than Giddey + 1sts, not sure, but depends on how Wolves feel about him as prospect. Plus trading Towns before 2022 offseason and after lotto, means Wolves 1st is more tankish.

To Suns: Towns + Filler

To OKC: Ayton + Saric

To Wolves: Giddey + Favors + Smith + Multiple Suns 1sts (including 2022 now unprotected from OKC)

C: Paolo or Chet or Yannick or Duren (2022 Wolves 1st)
PF: Smith
SF: McDaniels
SG: Edwards
PG: Giddey

Trade away Beasley and Russell when they can. 2023 should be a top 8 1st too.

Well, IF you're looking to rebuild around Edwards, and possibly tank, Then I could see your point. Ayton wouldn't be my preference either. What if you guys flipped him to another team for young talent and draft assets? I'm just looking at trying to balance out the value for you guys more IF you're giving up KAT in the deal. But if Giddy, Favors, Smith and a couple of late firsts will do it, Then why not?

[Wolveswin]

Who covers the center position for the Wolves after this trade? Also not sure the Wolves would find the value acceptable with the suns draft Capital if the suns swapped out Kat for Ayton and Saric. Those picks with Paul still on board along with Booker/ Bridges/ Ctowder/ KAT would probably be mid to late 20s' at best right. It's a really solid deal for the suns, But not so much for the wolves in retrospect right? I think that Wolves would need/ expect more coming back for KAT!

See below from other thread, Wolves would have Reid and Favors to cover center.

As for better offer than Giddey + 1sts, not sure, but depends on how Wolves feel about him as prospect. Plus trading Towns before 2022 offseason and after lotto, means Wolves 1st is more tankish.

To Suns: Towns + Filler

To OKC: Ayton + Saric

To Wolves: Giddey + Favors + Smith + Multiple Suns 1sts (including 2022 now unprotected from OKC)

C: Paolo or Chet or Yannick or Duren (2022 Wolves 1st)
PF: Smith
SF: McDaniels
SG: Edwards
PG: Giddey

Trade away Beasley and Russell when they can. 2023 should be a top 8 1st too.

Well, IF you're looking to rebuild around Edwards, and possibly tank, Then I could see your point. Ayton wouldn't be my preference either. What if you guys flipped him to another team for young talent and draft assets? I'm just looking at trying to balance out the value for you guys more IF you're giving up KAT in the deal. But if Giddy, Favors, Smith and a couple of late firsts will do it, Then why not?

I don’t want Ayton direct to Wolves. 3rd team is 100% needed IMHO. But problem is, how many teams will give a better prospect than Giddey for Ayton — and not just want Towns direct? I don’t think many, not even confident OKC would part with Giddey+ for Ayton.

[eminence]

See below from other thread, Wolves would have Reid and Favors to cover center.

As for better offer than Giddey + 1sts, not sure, but depends on how Wolves feel about him as prospect. Plus trading Towns before 2022 offseason and after lotto, means Wolves 1st is more tankish.

Well, IF you're looking to rebuild around Edwards, and possibly tank, Then I could see your point. Ayton wouldn't be my preference either. What if you guys flipped him to another team for young talent and draft assets? I'm just looking at trying to balance out the value for you guys more IF you're giving up KAT in the deal. But if Giddy, Favors, Smith and a couple of late firsts will do it, Then why not?

I don’t want Ayton direct to Wolves. 3rd team is 100% needed IMHO. But problem is, how many teams will give a better prospect than Giddey for Ayton — and not just want Towns direct? I don’t think many, not even confident OKC would part with Giddey+ for Ayton.

The Wiseman/Kuminga combo isn't a terrible option here, struggle to see MIN taking Wiggins back as the matching even if GS had the youth/pick value necessary for Towns.