Sabonis and Turner offers

[basketballwacko2]

Hornets trade:
Mason Plumlee (Pacers)
Ish Smith (Pacers)
remove protections from 2022 first round pick (Knicks)

Receive:
Kemba Walker
Mitchell Robinson

Why: Upgrade their 5 spot and their bench for the playoff run. Biggest cost is Kemba's extra year and even that is somewhat offset by the loss of Smith.


Knicks trade:
Kemba Walker (Hornets)
Mitchell Robinson (Hornets)
Obi Toppin (Pacers)
2022 First Rounder from Knicks (Pacers)
2022 Second Rounder from Hornets (Pacers)
2023 First Rounder from Dallas (Pacers)

Receive:
Myles Turner
removed protections from Charlotte first rounder

Why: Upgrade their center spot with a guy who can hit the 3 and still block shots. Hope that the Hornets collapse and the pick amounts to something of value right now but otherwise ensure they receive the pick this year regardless. Steep price to pay but I think this would open up the floor more for Randle.




Pacers trade:
Myles Turner (Knicks)

Receive:
Obi Toppin (Pacers)
Mason Plumlee (Pacers)
Ish Smith (Pacers)
2022 First Rounder from Knicks (Pacers)
2022 Second Rounder from Hornets (Pacers)
2023 First Rounder from Dallas (Pacers)

Why: Save some money. Get 3 picks including a potential late lotto pick and a prospect they can develop in Toppin whose having a bounce back year off the bench.

I can't imagine Indiana wanting to do this. Doesn't the NYK hold the Hornets #1 in 2022 with top 19 protections? Even if you added it this is another had full of change for a dollar bill.

[basketballwacko2]

Cutting out the Hornets complication, Obi, Mitchell Robinson + 2 variously protected 1sts feels like REALLY strong value for Myles. I think Turner is one of the more overrated guys amongst the trade board (and himself lol) but if the Knicks said yes I can't imagine how the Pacers could say no.

I feel like Turner is underrated and would rather trade Sabonis because of how well Turner plays on offense without Sabonis. I think the Pacers could easily say no.

The pacers are locked into 9-12th seed territory. If that's the build they think is adequate then sure, wait and see if they can grow to outplay expecatation as a unit. But IMO Sabonis is the unique talent holding this team above bottom feed level. And Turner is more of the "can you just imagine if he reaches his potential" type of dreamer big man prospect. He's good, yes. But he's isn't as good as Sabo, and in all the years of them combined he hasn't grown in any impact. At some point you have to take advantage where you can on certain guys and make a hard turn to try and fix the issue at hand.

Turner is leading the NBA in blocked shots, and he is a good 3pt shooter, he plays excellent defense in addition to the blocked shots. I'm gonna say even if you gave me the NYK 2022 #1 unprotected, the Dallas pick, and the hornets #1 with Toppin I'd still need more say RJ Barrett to get me close to saying yes, and this is not hyperbolic exaggerations on my part.

[cl2117]

I feel like Turner is underrated and would rather trade Sabonis because of how well Turner plays on offense without Sabonis. I think the Pacers could easily say no.

The pacers are locked into 9-12th seed territory. If that's the build they think is adequate then sure, wait and see if they can grow to outplay expecatation as a unit. But IMO Sabonis is the unique talent holding this team above bottom feed level. And Turner is more of the "can you just imagine if he reaches his potential" type of dreamer big man prospect. He's good, yes. But he's isn't as good as Sabo, and in all the years of them combined he hasn't grown in any impact. At some point you have to take advantage where you can on certain guys and make a hard turn to try and fix the issue at hand.

Turner is leading the NBA in blocked shots, and he is a good 3pt shooter, he plays excellent defense in addition to the blocked shots. I'm gonna say even if you gave me the NYK 2022 #1 unprotected, the Dallas pick, and the hornets #1 with Toppin I'd still need more say RJ Barrett to get me close to saying yes, and this is not hyperbolic exaggerations on my part.

Narrator: yes it was.

3 first and Obi? And you want RJ too to make it close?

[Soulyss]

With Rubio's Injury, and Love's resurgence it feels like a good year for Cleveland to be aggressive. This trade happens closer to the deadline where McCollum has shown no ill effects from his injury.

Portland Trades: CJ McCollum, 2023 Lotto Protected 1st (Lotto, Lotto, Top 10, 2-2nds)
Portland Receives: Myles Turner, TJ Warren, Kevin Pangos

Why for Portland: Nurkic & RoCo are expiring and likely trade targets. This Resets Portland with a floor spacing big that can anchor the defense.

Indiana Trades: Myles Turner, TJ Warren
Indiana Receives: Ricky Rubio (expiring, cut), Isaac Okoro, Denzel Valentine, 2023 Lotto Protected 1st (Lotto, Lotto, Top 10, 2-2nds)

Why for Indiana: Change is in the wind. Indiana gets expirings, a nice prospect in Okoro, and a 1st for Turner and an expiring Warren.

Cleveland Trades: Ricky Rubio (expiring, cut), Isaac Okoro, Denzel Valentine
Cleveland Receives: CJ McCollum

Why for Cleveland: Cleveland goes all in. They are likely to part ways with Sexton so instead they bring in hometown kid McCollum who can play on and off the ball and shouldn't be a liability on defense with Allen and Mobley roaming the paint. I see CJ moving Cleveland solidly into hosting a playoff series in the 1st round.

[Adrian Street]

I feel like Turner is underrated and would rather trade Sabonis because of how well Turner plays on offense without Sabonis. I think the Pacers could easily say no.

The pacers are locked into 9-12th seed territory. If that's the build they think is adequate then sure, wait and see if they can grow to outplay expecatation as a unit. But IMO Sabonis is the unique talent holding this team above bottom feed level. And Turner is more of the "can you just imagine if he reaches his potential" type of dreamer big man prospect. He's good, yes. But he's isn't as good as Sabo, and in all the years of them combined he hasn't grown in any impact. At some point you have to take advantage where you can on certain guys and make a hard turn to try and fix the issue at hand.

Turner is leading the NBA in blocked shots, and he is a good 3pt shooter, he plays excellent defense in addition to the blocked shots. I'm gonna say even if you gave me the NYK 2022 #1 unprotected, the Dallas pick, and the hornets #1 with Toppin I'd still need more say RJ Barrett to get me close to saying yes, and this is not hyperbolic exaggerations on my part.

Even Barrett looks like a bust this season but yeah I'm thinking it would take Toppin with either Barrett or Quickley to even start a trade conversation with the Knicks.

[Wolveswin]

Not sure how I feel about this as Wolves fan…

To Pacers: Edwards + Prince + 2022 Wolves 1st (protected)

To Celtics: Sabonis + Beasley

To Wolves: Brown + Turner + Nesmith

Pacers put rebuild on hyperdrive with new team center piece Edwards. Trade some other vets and join the tank race.

Celtics swap Brown for Sabonis and backfill with Beasley (a little).

Wolves trade Edwards+ for a young win-now core.
Turner
Towns (love his fit with Turner)
JV | McDaniels
Brown (or start at SF)
Russell (or start at SG with Beverley PG)

Would be tough to give up both centers without getting 1 supertar center in return. Pacers probably do a straight Sabonis for Brown swap with Boston or a Sabonis for Edwards.

If going straight youth rebuild — who cares. Pacers have plenty of big man depth and 2022 draft is deep at big. Getting a player of Edwards caliber to start rebuild is a no brainer.

[Adrian Street]

Not sure how I feel about this as Wolves fan…

To Pacers: Edwards + Prince + 2022 Wolves 1st (protected)

To Celtics: Sabonis + Beasley

To Wolves: Brown + Turner + Nesmith

Pacers put rebuild on hyperdrive with new team center piece Edwards. Trade some other vets and join the tank race.

Celtics swap Brown for Sabonis and backfill with Beasley (a little).

Wolves trade Edwards+ for a young win-now core.
Turner
Towns (love his fit with Turner)
JV | McDaniels
Brown (or start at SF)
Russell (or start at SG with Beverley PG)

Would be tough to give up both centers without getting 1 supertar center in return. Pacers probably do a straight Sabonis for Brown swap with Boston or a Sabonis for Edwards.

Pacers aren't rebuilding just retooling but Edwards is good enough that yeah I would consider both for him.
If going straight youth rebuild — who cares. Pacers have plenty of big man depth and 2022 draft is deep at big. Getting a player of Edwards caliber to start rebuild is a no brainer.

[basketballwacko2]

The pacers are locked into 9-12th seed territory. If that's the build they think is adequate then sure, wait and see if they can grow to outplay expecatation as a unit. But IMO Sabonis is the unique talent holding this team above bottom feed level. And Turner is more of the "can you just imagine if he reaches his potential" type of dreamer big man prospect. He's good, yes. But he's isn't as good as Sabo, and in all the years of them combined he hasn't grown in any impact. At some point you have to take advantage where you can on certain guys and make a hard turn to try and fix the issue at hand.

Turner is leading the NBA in blocked shots, and he is a good 3pt shooter, he plays excellent defense in addition to the blocked shots. I'm gonna say even if you gave me the NYK 2022 #1 unprotected, the Dallas pick, and the hornets #1 with Toppin I'd still need more say RJ Barrett to get me close to saying yes, and this is not hyperbolic exaggerations on my part.

Narrator: yes it was.

3 first and Obi? And you want RJ too to make it close?

That is your opinion. Fact is if I hold this guys rights and you want him this is what I want, Turner is the best shot blocker in the NBA and the best defender over all on the Pacers roster. These picks are not great picks could become 2nd round picks if they don't convey by 2025 they become 2nd round picks in 25, 26 and 27. Unless the 2022 pick is not protected there is no guarantee that any of them will be #1 picks.

[basketballwacko2]

I thought we solved this.

Sabonis/LeVert/Lamb/Graig

Fox/Buddy/2 2nds



No tax for Indy, Kings kept their firsts. This is a move both teams should do barring something better.

I don't want to trade Levert now that he is playing great this month.

Sabonis/Lamb

Fox/ 2 2nds

This is where you go wrong! This is the time to trade LeVert because he's got 9-12 games left before he steps on a crack in the side walk and blows his knee out.

[basketballwacko2]

I don't want to trade Levert now that he is playing great this month.

Sabonis/Lamb

Fox/ 2 2nds

One 2nd, Kings should do that deal.

1 2nd and a conditonal 2nd if Fox shoots a lower percentage from 3 than Sabonis this season. I mean he's a PG for god sakes

I don't think the CBA allows a condition like this. Besides Fox is over paid. I'd rather leave him out of it and take Mitchell, Buddy and Barnes for Sabonis and LeVert. I'd like to get a #1 pick as well. 2nds don't do much for me.

[Adrian Street]

One 2nd, Kings should do that deal.

1 2nd and a conditonal 2nd if Fox shoots a lower percentage from 3 than Sabonis this season. I mean he's a PG for god sakes

I don't think the CBA allows a condition like this. Besides Fox is over paid. I'd rather leave him out of it and take Mitchell, Buddy and Barnes for Sabonis and LeVert. I'd like to get a #1 pick as well. 2nds don't do much for me.

I don't want Buddy. He makes LeVert look like DPOY and doesn't do anything except shoot. He can't even start for Sacramento and makes 22 mil a year. A healthy LeVert for 1 month is worth more than a season of Buddy. I would love to get Barnes, Mitchell and Bagley is worth giving him a shot in a new place. I maybe do Sabonis and LeVert for Barnes, Bagley and Mitchell along with an unprotected 1st.

[basketballwacko2]

i think the golden state trade assets are win win. pacers retool with wiggins, kuminga, moody, wiseman gs wins another ring.

Are you talking about Sabonis or Turner? Indiana would have to be sending Wiseman elsewhere because there is no need for him.

[Adrian Street]

i think the golden state trade assets are win win. pacers retool with wiggins, kuminga, moody, wiseman gs wins another ring.

Are you talking about Sabonis or Turner? Indiana would have to be sending Wiseman elsewhere because there is no need for him.

You don't trade Wiseman unless you get something really good. Indiana has no need for him now but he has star potential and you don't trade a guy like him unless you know you're getting a young player you like better.

[basketballwacko2]

Adams + Clarke + 2 Mem 1st round picks (unprotected) + Utah 1st + LAL 1st for Turner

Adams and Sabonis together again?

[basketballwacko2]

i think the golden state trade assets are win win. pacers retool with wiggins, kuminga, moody, wiseman gs wins another ring.

Are you talking about Sabonis or Turner? Indiana would have to be sending Wiseman elsewhere because there is no need for him.

You don't trade Wiseman unless you get something really good. Indiana has no need for him now but he has star potential and you don't trade a guy like him unless you know you're getting a young player you like better.

I know some GSW fans who think Wiseman is a bust. He only played about 3 games in college and not many last season. Now he has a cartilage issue in his knee.

[basketballwacko2]

1 2nd and a conditonal 2nd if Fox shoots a lower percentage from 3 than Sabonis this season. I mean he's a PG for god sakes

I don't think the CBA allows a condition like this. Besides Fox is over paid. I'd rather leave him out of it and take Mitchell, Buddy and Barnes for Sabonis and LeVert. I'd like to get a #1 pick as well. 2nds don't do much for me.

I don't want Buddy. He makes LeVert look like DPOY and doesn't do anything except shoot. He can't even start for Sacramento and makes 22 mil a year. A healthy LeVert for 1 month is worth more than a season of Buddy. I would love to get Barnes, Mitchell and Bagley is worth giving him a shot in a new place. I maybe do Sabonis and LeVert for Barnes, Bagley and Mitchell along with an unprotected 1st.

I like that better the only thing I like about Buddy is his 3 point shot and declining contract, he's undersized to play at SF and would be behind Duarte who is a better player.

[Adrian Street]

Are you talking about Sabonis or Turner? Indiana would have to be sending Wiseman elsewhere because there is no need for him.

You don't trade Wiseman unless you get something really good. Indiana has no need for him now but he has star potential and you don't trade a guy like him unless you know you're getting a young player you like better.

I know some GSW fans who think Wiseman is a bust. He only played about 3 games in college and not many last season. Now he has a cartilage issue in his knee.

I know other GSW fans who think he will be Deandre Ayton in a few years. That's why if you trade for him, you find out what you have before rushing out to trade him for a mid to low pick that turns into the next TJ Leaf. I know he isn't good now but trading for Wiseman isn't the same as trading for Mason Plumlee, we shouldn't just ship him out for a bad pick because we don't need him right now.

[Scoot McGroot]

With Rubio's Injury, and Love's resurgence it feels like a good year for Cleveland to be aggressive. This trade happens closer to the deadline where McCollum has shown no ill effects from his injury.

Portland Trades: CJ McCollum, 2023 Lotto Protected 1st (Lotto, Lotto, Top 10, 2-2nds)
Portland Receives: Myles Turner, TJ Warren, Kevin Pangos

Why for Portland: Nurkic & RoCo are expiring and likely trade targets. This Resets Portland with a floor spacing big that can anchor the defense.

Indiana Trades: Myles Turner, TJ Warren
Indiana Receives: Ricky Rubio (expiring, cut), Isaac Okoro, Denzel Valentine, 2023 Lotto Protected 1st (Lotto, Lotto, Top 10, 2-2nds)

Why for Indiana: Change is in the wind. Indiana gets expirings, a nice prospect in Okoro, and a 1st for Turner and an expiring Warren.

Cleveland Trades: Ricky Rubio (expiring, cut), Isaac Okoro, Denzel Valentine
Cleveland Receives: CJ McCollum

Why for Cleveland: Cleveland goes all in. They are likely to part ways with Sexton so instead they bring in hometown kid McCollum who can play on and off the ball and shouldn't be a liability on defense with Allen and Mobley roaming the paint. I see CJ moving Cleveland solidly into hosting a playoff series in the 1st round.

Warren is expiring, too, so essentially Myles for Okoro and an eternally protected 1st? Seems pretty bad for Indy. At least, I really don’t see a reason to consider it at all.

[Larry_Russell]

Jaylen brown, juancho hernangomez amd robert williams

For

Turner and levert?

[Knickfan1982]

I feel like Turner is underrated and would rather trade Sabonis because of how well Turner plays on offense without Sabonis. I think the Pacers could easily say no.

The pacers are locked into 9-12th seed territory. If that's the build they think is adequate then sure, wait and see if they can grow to outplay expecatation as a unit. But IMO Sabonis is the unique talent holding this team above bottom feed level. And Turner is more of the "can you just imagine if he reaches his potential" type of dreamer big man prospect. He's good, yes. But he's isn't as good as Sabo, and in all the years of them combined he hasn't grown in any impact. At some point you have to take advantage where you can on certain guys and make a hard turn to try and fix the issue at hand.

Turner is leading the NBA in blocked shots, and he is a good 3pt shooter, he plays excellent defense in addition to the blocked shots. I'm gonna say even if you gave me the NYK 2022 #1 unprotected, the Dallas pick, and the hornets #1 with Toppin I'd still need more say RJ Barrett to get me close to saying yes, and this is not hyperbolic exaggerations on my part.

And at that point I would say you can keep Turner. Its clear you want a superstar return for a guy whose a complimentary piece. A great one that would fit on many rosters to be sure but a complimentary piece nonetheless.