Thoughts in General, Rumors, etc 5.0

[zimpy27]

Yeah, I think I've seen several different major guys all hint the same.

Who would Indy be interested in on Portland?

I think RoCo would be a nice PF fit for Sabonis. But I don't see the value gap getting closed to be worth Turner

Simons and RoCo? I'm thinking that Simons probably is getting traction as having really good value with his play in increased minutes and his upside.

It's too small a sample size and he's an RFA. He wouldn't have the value of Sexton and I don't think Sexton gets you to Turner.

I'm thinking RoCo+Nurkic+CJ out with Sabonis and filler back..

[Roy The Natural]

Who would Indy be interested in on Portland?

I think RoCo would be a nice PF fit for Sabonis. But I don't see the value gap getting closed to be worth Turner

Simons and RoCo? I'm thinking that Simons probably is getting traction as having really good value with his play in increased minutes and his upside.

It's too small a sample size and he's an RFA. He wouldn't have the value of Sexton and I don't think Sexton gets you to Turner

I sort of disagree. But it's all good. the trade can probably wait a bit to see if the trend continues.

I think Sexton is probably damaged goods right now. Meniscus issues in your knee is one of the top 5 worst issues you can have in basketball and has historically massacred a truckload of careers. Sexton relies utterly on speed and has one of the more athleticism sapping injuries you can get. The sample size is small for Simons with starter minutes and responsibilities. However, I could easily talk myself into him being the better player long-term due to Sextons injury and lack of playmaking despite tons of opportunity, and being a tier or 2 below as a shooter.

[Soulyss]

Who would Indy be interested in on Portland?

I think RoCo would be a nice PF fit for Sabonis. But I don't see the value gap getting closed to be worth Turner

Simons and RoCo? I'm thinking that Simons probably is getting traction as having really good value with his play in increased minutes and his upside.

It's too small a sample size and he's an RFA. He wouldn't have the value of Sexton and I don't think Sexton gets you to Turner.

I'm thinking RoCo+Nurkic+CJ out with Sabonis and filler back..

Nurk and Roco are expirings.... I don't think Indiana would do this deal without significant pick compensation.

[zimpy27]

OKC had 22m capspace to start the season.. Does that mean they could take in a 44m contract now that we are half way through the season since that 44m contract only has 22m left to pay this season?

[Resistance]

13. Exactly what is included when computing total team salaries? What is cap room? What is a cap hold?


A team's cap room (referred to simply as "room" in the CBA) refers to its ability to sign players to free agent contracts. If a team is above the cap, then its room is limited to the exceptions it possesses. If the team is below the cap, then its room is how far it is below the cap when all salaries and cap holds are included. Cap holds are "placeholders" for players the team is expected to sign in the future. For example, a team is expected to sign its unsigned first round draft pick, so an amount is reserved for this signing in the form of a cap hold. A team $10 million below the cap with $4 million in cap holds therefore has $6 million in room. A team $5 million under the cap with $6 million in cap holds is not considered to be under the cap at all, and must use exceptions to sign players. The following are included in team salary:

* Salaries of all active and inactive players1, including likely bonuses.

* The full season salary of any players the team acquires in midseason trades.

* Salaries paid or payable to waived players, minus any set-off amounts2 and subject to the Stretch provision (see question number 65).

* Any salary still being paid to retired players (see question number 61).

* A cap hold for amounts paid or expected to be paid in conjunction with certain grievances.

* A cap hold for salaries in contracts that have been agreed to but not yet executed (i.e., verbal agreements or agreements pending physicals)3.

* A cap hold for a percentage of the previous salary of every unrenounced free agent (see question number 37).

* A cap hold for salaries offered in offer sheets to restricted free agents (see question number 42).

* A cap hold for 120% of the "scale" amount for the team's unsigned first round draft pick(s) (see question number 50). This amount begins to apply to team salary immediately upon selection in the draft4. This amount can be excluded from the team salary for the current season if, before the season starts, the team and player agree in writing that the team will not sign the player during that season.

* A cap hold called an "incomplete roster charge" if the team has fewer than 12 players (players under contract, free agents included in team salary, players given offer sheets, and first round draft picks)5. This charge is equal to the rookie minimum salary for each player fewer than 12. For example, if there are 11 players included in team salary, then an amount equal to the rookie minimum salary is added to the team salary6; if the roster is completely empty, then 12 times the rookie minimum salary is added to the team salary. This charge only applies during the offseason.

* A cap hold for the combined amount of any Mid-Level, Bi-Annual, Disabled Player (see question number 25) and trade exceptions (see question number 87) available to the team (see question number 26), if the team is under the salary cap. (Teams may renounce these exceptions, in which case they no longer are included in team salary.)

* Salaries for completed contracts (such as 10-day contracts) are included in team salaries for the remainder of that salary cap year (through June 30).

18. What is the "luxury tax?" Why does it exist? How is it determined? Who pays it?


When determining the amount of tax a team owes, the league uses its team salary (see question number 13) on the date of its last regular season game (i.e., if a player is traded away before the end of the season, then none of his salary is taxed), with the following adjustments:

* Cap holds and exceptions are ignored.

* Any "unlikely bonuses" (see question number 74) that were actually earned are added to the team salary.

* Any "likely bonuses" (see question number 74) that were not earned are subtracted from the team salary.

* Any trade bonuses (see question number 99) for players received in trade after the last regular season game are added to the team salary. This amount may be pro-rated -- see question number 100 for details.

* Any amounts from settlements of grievances are added to the team salary.

* For players who signed as free agents (i.e., not draft picks) under the current CBA, and make less than the two-year minimum salary, the minimum salary for a two-year veteran is used in place of their actual salary.2,3

* For minimum salary players whose salary is partially paid by the league (see question number 22) only the amount paid by the team (the two-year minimum salary) is taxed.

[Catchall]

I think it's likely that the Jazz will trade Joe Ingles. I think the Celtics are among the teams where he could land.

[Scoot McGroot]

OKC had 22m capspace to start the season.. Does that mean they could take in a 44m contract now that we are half way through the season since that 44m contract only has 22m left to pay this season?

No. Whole season salary numbers are conveyed when a player is traded, as Resistance responded above me.

The closest thing to what you’re asking is the salary floor. The number to the salary floor is specifically cash paid in the season for salary, not cap numbers. But, there’s no real punishment for ending up under the floor. The money is just distributed to the players on the roster.

[shrink]

I may have touched on this in various trade threads, but it’s probably worth mentioning here.

While I personally don’t think it’s the right way to go, I expect Sachin Gupta to try to make a big trade for the Timberwolves before the deadline. The impending owners, A-Rod and Lore, have said many times that they believe the best way to make a winner is to bring in the very best people. Everyone seems to like Gupta, but if it’s 100% Rosas’ team that makes the playoffs, it’s unlikely A-Rod and Lore are going to remove Gupta’s “interim” GM tag, and they will likely look for the biggest name they can find in the GM market.

[Scoot McGroot]

I may have touched on this in various trade threads, but it’s probably worth mentioning here.

While I personally don’t think it’s the right way to go, I expect Sachin Gupta to try to make a big trade for the Timberwolves before the deadline. The impending owners, A-Rod and Lore, have said many times that they believe the best way to make a winner is to bring in the very best people. Everyone seems to like Gupta, but if it’s 100% Rosas’ team that makes the playoffs, it’s unlikely A-Rod and Lore are going to remove Gupta’s “interim” GM tag, and they will likely look for the biggest name they can find in the GM market.

This is a good point. Sometimes, the human interest causes things to happen. Interest in keeping a job, or fear of losing a job could definitely cause moves to be made, or not made. We forget this sometimes.

[Resistance]

I may have touched on this in various trade threads, but it’s probably worth mentioning here.

While I personally don’t think it’s the right way to go, I expect Sachin Gupta to try to make a big trade for the Timberwolves before the deadline. The impending owners, A-Rod and Lore, have said many times that they believe the best way to make a winner is to bring in the very best people. Everyone seems to like Gupta, but if it’s 100% Rosas’ team that makes the playoffs, it’s unlikely A-Rod and Lore are going to remove Gupta’s “interim” GM tag, and they will likely look for the biggest name they can find in the GM market.

Bryan Collars Colangelo is one of the bigger names out there, but I have him as a worse GM than Gupta.

[Scoot McGroot]

I am, once again, reminding y’all that Evan Massey is straight garbage and shouldn’t be cited as a source in anything.

[Consequence]

I am, once again, reminding y’all that Evan Massey is straight garbage and shouldn’t be cited as a source in anything.

Sub-Amico tier?

[NYG]

What could Chicago consolidate Coby White and Troy Brown Jr. into as a 2 for 1 deal?

[Larry_Russell]

What could Chicago consolidate Coby White and Troy Brown Jr. into as a 2 for 1 deal?

Roco after boston trades Horford and SChroder to Portland for him and Nurkic.

[JRoy]

What could Chicago consolidate Coby White and Troy Brown Jr. into as a 2 for 1 deal?

Roco after boston trades Horford and SChroder to Portland for him and Nurkic.

Zero interest from POR in either guy without serious compensation.

[Larry_Russell]

What could Chicago consolidate Coby White and Troy Brown Jr. into as a 2 for 1 deal?

Roco after boston trades Horford and SChroder to Portland for him and Nurkic.

Zero interest from POR in either guy without serious compensation.

LOL



They are players your team has interest in even if you don't (Nurkic and Roco isnt the deal though, was just playing. But Roco and CJ makes more sense). Finances matter too. So not only is your on court product better, your finances improve.

[JRoy]

Roco after boston trades Horford and SChroder to Portland for him and Nurkic.

Zero interest from POR in either guy without serious compensation.

LOL



They are players your team has interest in even if you don't (Nurkic and Roco isnt the deal though, was just playing. But Roco and CJ makes more sense). Finances matter too. So not only is your on court product better, your finances improve.

Lol indeed.

Horford might be interesting, if POR decides on a retool rather than a rebuild.

Zero interest in Schroeder unless FRP compensation is included.

[Scoot McGroot]

I am, once again, reminding y’all that Evan Massey is straight garbage and shouldn’t be cited as a source in anything.

Sub-Amico tier?

Waaaaaaaaayyyyy sub Amico tier. Amico has press credentials, at least. Massey has not. Amico only claims to be a basketball insider. Massey claims to be a basketball, football, and college insider.

Straight clickbait that is designed to specifically be very open ended and not actually report anything.

[Larry_Russell]

Zero interest from POR in either guy without serious compensation.

LOL



They are players your team has interest in even if you don't (Nurkic and Roco isnt the deal though, was just playing. But Roco and CJ makes more sense). Finances matter too. So not only is your on court product better, your finances improve.

Lol indeed.

Horford might be interesting, if POR decides on a retool rather than a rebuild.

Zero interest in Schroeder unless FRP compensation is included.

RE SChroder.

That is just plain moronic stance.

SChroder is putting up 18 ppg and your PG just went down for the season and schroder is an expiring deal at only 5 million.

Not a chance Boston has to pay a 1st to move Schroder. Get real.

[JRoy]

LOL



They are players your team has interest in even if you don't (Nurkic and Roco isnt the deal though, was just playing. But Roco and CJ makes more sense). Finances matter too. So not only is your on court product better, your finances improve.

Lol indeed.

Horford might be interesting, if POR decides on a retool rather than a rebuild.

Zero interest in Schroeder unless FRP compensation is included.

RE SChroder.

That is just plain moronic stance.

SChroder is putting up 18 ppg and your PG just went down for the season and schroder is an expiring deal at only 5 million.

Not a chance Boston has to pay a 1st to move Schroder. Get real.

Please continue to enjoy Schroeder with our compliments.

There is a reason Schroeder couldn’t get a better offer.