[Woj] Pistons (Bagley)/Bucks (Ibaka)/Kings (DDV+)/Clippers (Hood+)

[Patsfan1081]

Holy crap, Kings made out like bandits, DDV + Lyles for **** MBIII

Hasn’t DDV been horrid since returning from injury? I know he’s shooting in the twenties from three. I actually like Detroit taking a flyer on Bagley.

[City of Trees]

I didn't see Bagley getting this kind of return. Have to imagine Kings waive Woodard and Ramsey to make the deal work

Or Lamb and keep Ramsey.

This would be incredibly dumb as Ramsey isn't an NBA player right now

[LightTheBeam]

Wow, big win for Kings, DDV is going to fit great with them I think

Unselfish guy, good defender (pre injury), can shoot the 3 ball?

He checks all the boxes for this new look Kings.

[codydaze]

Monte’s obsession with DD finally manifests.

Remember, he tried to trade Bogi for him last year. That looks like a massive overpay now (which I said at the time).

Dude you realize that DDV at the time had 2 years left on his deal and hadn't been injured.

Now he has 25 games left and is coming off a major injury.

LOL come on bro

They get his rights.

I haven’t followed the injury.

It was still a lopsided move for Bogi.

You also are not factoring in that Bogi was a RFA and leaving regardless..

[Topofthekey]

Wow, big win for Kings, DDV is going to fit great with them I think

Unselfish guy, good defender (pre injury), can shoot the 3 ball?

He checks all the boxes for this new look Kings.

Correct. Perfect buy low target as well

Won't cost Kings much even if it doesn't work out

[the_process]

Sacto wins this deal hands down IMO.

They won the other trade too

Are you referring to the Sabonis trade?

Not on board with that yet. Need a lot more than one game.

[SNPA]

Dude you realize that DDV at the time had 2 years left on his deal and hadn't been injured.

Now he has 25 games left and is coming off a major injury.

LOL come on bro

They get his rights.

I haven’t followed the injury.

It was still a lopsided move for Bogi.

You also are not factoring in that Bogi was a RFA and leaving regardless..

He wasn’t leaving regardless. RFA as you wrote. He left because McNair dumped him for zero return so he’d have flexibility that he still, to this very hour, hasn’t used.

[giannis and 1]

Holy crap, Kings made out like bandits, DDV + Lyles for **** MBIII

Hasn’t DDV been horrid since returning from injury? I know he’s shooting in the twenties from three. I actually like Detroit taking a flyer on Bagley.

Don't know if I would say horrid, but yeah he has been pretty bad. About a half step slower than before and not shooting well.

I think he will rebound eventually. Playing a bit better as of late.

[ejftw]

Created a nice $6M or so TPE, expecting Hood and/or Semi to be cut to give Coffey the final spot.

Knew we could save money on Ibaka without attaching assets and he's a perfect big for the Bucks, but smh if that's all Bucks got for Ragu and Clips couldn't find a way themselves

[giannis and 1]

Wow, big win for Kings, DDV is going to fit great with them I think

Unselfish guy, good defender (pre injury), can shoot the 3 ball?

He checks all the boxes for this new look Kings.

Correct. Perfect buy low target as well

Won't cost Kings much even if it doesn't work out

At his best, you're getting a guard that can handle the ball, fast/athletic/agile, high end perimeter defender, and average to below average 3 point shooter. His biggest weakness is that he is absolutely terrible at finishing at the rim, but this is fixable (just needs to get stronger). Also has some erratic passes at times, but that has improved over the last couple years.

I think his shooting will continue to get better (above average in a couple years?)

One concern is that he has been a little injury prone, but the last injury was basically a freak injury (Goran Dragic is a scumbag pos)

Another plus for Sacramento is that they may be able to get him on a cheap deal due to how bad he's been this year. I'm guessing something like 10mx2.

I wish him all the best, solid young player. Hoping he turns in a 15/5/4 type with high end defense.

[SNPA]

I didn't see Bagley getting this kind of return. Have to imagine Kings waive Woodard and Ramsey to make the deal work

Or Lamb and keep Ramsey.

This would be incredibly dumb as Ramsey isn't an NBA player right now

Len???

I think they like Ramsey.

[Ruzious]

Like it for Detroit and really like it for Kings. Seems to be Bucks deciding that they cant pay Donte.

They made that decision - for better or worse - when they extended Allen.

[SNPA]

Or Lamb and keep Ramsey.

This would be incredibly dumb as Ramsey isn't an NBA player right now

Len???

I think they like Ramsey.

James Ham is hinting they might make another move before the deadline that could clear roster space for this trade.

[LightTheBeam]

Unselfish guy, good defender (pre injury), can shoot the 3 ball?

He checks all the boxes for this new look Kings.

Correct. Perfect buy low target as well

Won't cost Kings much even if it doesn't work out

At his best, you're getting a guard that can handle the ball, fast/athletic/agile, high end perimeter defender, and average to below average 3 point shooter. His biggest weakness is that he is absolutely terrible at finishing at the rim, but this is fixable (just needs to get stronger). Also has some erratic passes at times, but that has improved over the last couple years.

I think his shooting will continue to get better (above average in a couple years?)

One concern is that he has been a little injury prone, but the last injury was basically a freak injury (Goran Dragic is a scumbag pos)

Another plus for Sacramento is that they may be able to get him on a cheap deal due to how bad he's been this year. I'm guessing something like 10mx2.

I wish him all the best, solid young player. Hoping he turns in a 15/5/4 type with high end defense.

FWIW I like this for the Bucks also. Allen made DDV expendable. And now you don't need to rely on injured Brook coming back hobbled for the playoffs. Portis/Ibaka is a fine rotation up front.

Seems like you guys just need a bench pg. Would be great to turn Lopez into one.

[Ruzious]

Does anyone know the details on the 2 future 2nds the Bucks get?

[buckboy]

Sacto wins this deal hands down IMO.

They won the other trade too

You're the third person in this thread to say this. I don't get it. The Kings got clowned in the Haliburton deal.

[giannis and 1]

Correct. Perfect buy low target as well

Won't cost Kings much even if it doesn't work out

At his best, you're getting a guard that can handle the ball, fast/athletic/agile, high end perimeter defender, and average to below average 3 point shooter. His biggest weakness is that he is absolutely terrible at finishing at the rim, but this is fixable (just needs to get stronger). Also has some erratic passes at times, but that has improved over the last couple years.

I think his shooting will continue to get better (above average in a couple years?)

One concern is that he has been a little injury prone, but the last injury was basically a freak injury (Goran Dragic is a scumbag pos)

Another plus for Sacramento is that they may be able to get him on a cheap deal due to how bad he's been this year. I'm guessing something like 10mx2.

I wish him all the best, solid young player. Hoping he turns in a 15/5/4 type with high end defense.

FWIW I like this for the Bucks also. Allen made DDV expendable. And now you don't need to rely on injured Brook coming back hobbled for the playoffs. Portis/Ibaka is a fine rotation up front.

Seems like you guys just need a bench pg. Would be great to turn Lopez into one.

We could also use another forward that we could throw at KD.

[Topofthekey]

Sacto wins this deal hands down IMO.

They won the other trade too

You're the third person in this thread to say this. I don't get it. The Kings got clowned in the Haliburton deal.

No they didn't

People constantly massively underrate Pacers players SMH

Sabonis is clearly the better player right now. In terms of trade value, he is at the very least equal to Haliburton. Though I personally feel he is worth more

But even if we agree that the trade value for Sabonis and Haliburton are about equal, the Holiday + Lamb for Hield + Thompson part clearly has the Pacers losing

To me, the Pacers were owed at the very least one future FRP. Possibly two if you ask me. At the very least they needed one to mend the gap between Holiday + Lamb for Hield + Thompson

The fact that no picks exchanged hand means King's won the trade in terms of value, is the way I see it

[Ruzious]

At his best, you're getting a guard that can handle the ball, fast/athletic/agile, high end perimeter defender, and average to below average 3 point shooter. His biggest weakness is that he is absolutely terrible at finishing at the rim, but this is fixable (just needs to get stronger). Also has some erratic passes at times, but that has improved over the last couple years.

I think his shooting will continue to get better (above average in a couple years?)

One concern is that he has been a little injury prone, but the last injury was basically a freak injury (Goran Dragic is a scumbag pos)

Another plus for Sacramento is that they may be able to get him on a cheap deal due to how bad he's been this year. I'm guessing something like 10mx2.

I wish him all the best, solid young player. Hoping he turns in a 15/5/4 type with high end defense.

FWIW I like this for the Bucks also. Allen made DDV expendable. And now you don't need to rely on injured Brook coming back hobbled for the playoffs. Portis/Ibaka is a fine rotation up front.

Seems like you guys just need a bench pg. Would be great to turn Lopez into one.

We could also use another forward that we could throw at KD.

The trade opened 2 roster spaces for the Bucks, so a backup PG and a defensive-minded forward could still be coming.

[Kalamazoo317]

I like this for Detroit. Lyles got points off the bench, but he's a ball stopper and not really part of the future. Plus, he talked trash about Detroit before coming there, so not sure he's really a perfect culture fit. I like Josh, but he'd fallen out of the rotation. Bagley has the skills and size to fill a needed roll. Not sure if he'll still reach anywhere close to his potential, but it's a gamble worth taking for the Pistons.