Value of Barrett, Herro, Simons?

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Value of each-vote 3 times

1-Barrett-positive
24
10%
2-Barrett-neutral
23
10%
3-Barrett-negative
33
14%
4-Herro-positive
32
13%
5-Herro-neutral
36
15%
6-Herro-negative
11
5%
7-Simons-positive
41
17%
8-Simons-neutral
24
10%
9-Simons-negative
15
6%
 
Total votes: 239

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Re: Value of Barrett, Herro, Simons? 

Post#41 » by gom » Wed Jun 14, 2023 8:40 pm

squarepimpin wrote:Can I throw in the topic of Poole in this comparison … who was also paid the same time as them. And frankly has taken a national beating .. and given the punch and the spotlight of the warriors - his flaws were on front and center.

I agree all of them are overpaid - 18m p/y max should have been the ceiling on any of them. Tyler most rounded but he is always injured.



I agree that Poole is underrated here. His contract (as well as the other players here) are fair deals and may become good value.
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Re: Value of Barrett, Herro, Simons? 

Post#42 » by Knickfan1982 » Wed Jun 14, 2023 10:19 pm

Texas Chuck wrote:I think they are all amazing young players every team would want to have at whatever price their existing team wanted to name.

More seriously I think that if a team got to move out some unwanted money each of them could return an asset, but if you asked a team to take on the whole deal, Simons is the only one of these guys I feel good about teams being willing to do so.

Because on court, the play isn't justifying the contract for the other two currently and young doesn't necessarily mean there is another level especially when we aren't seeing meaningful growth or increased impact. It's one thing to take a chance on a young player who is cheap. It's another when a guy is being paid as a proven good starter and they are still a drag on the team.

And what I find interesting is how easy it is for most posters to see that when the player is not currently on their team. I always wonder why they think their team is an exception and don't consider that perhaps their attachment is affecting their evaluation, instead of accusing neutral fans of bias, not watching the games, creating narratives, etc....



Not me. I voted for them all as having positive value. You may not agree with my opinions but at least I try to be consistent with them.
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Re: Value of Barrett, Herro, Simons? 

Post#43 » by Knickfan1982 » Wed Jun 14, 2023 10:21 pm

tiderulz wrote:
Texas Chuck wrote:
tiderulz wrote:just watch the next year or so. they wont look overpaid with the new deals coming.


Never understand this argument. Other contracts potentially being worse don't make other contracts good. Barrett specifically has been a -10 guy for two years running making $100M. That's bad value unless major growth comes. Regardless if Cam Johnson gets $125M or not.

people think player x is overpaid. then the next year, the average contract bumps up say $10mil. player x now on existing contract not overpaid, but on average, or underpaid. salaries have to be taken in context to what the average salary and deals are at the current time. Orlando signed MxGrady for a max at what, 7 years $92 mil (13 mil/yr)? Jalen Brunson signed for 4 years $104 mil (26 mil/yr). you could say, wow, NY really overpaid for Brunson, but salaries go up. so for example Simons making say $25mil over the next 3 years, we'll have to see what signings are made this summer and compare to ask, is he overpaid or not.



Context matters. Rising contract levels are part of the context that has to be taken into account. Anything can be made to look bad in a vacuum. Context matters.
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Re: Value of Barrett, Herro, Simons? 

Post#44 » by R-DAWG » Wed Jun 14, 2023 11:56 pm

mcfly1204 wrote:I think Barrett ends up as the next Wiggins\Gordon, high lotto pick who received a healthy extension based on potential, flames out, but finds a niche on a contender in a couple of years.


Maybe we add Aaron Gordon to that mix as well. I am not quite ready to say that RJ will flame out with the Knicks, but he's a square peg in a round hole playing as a catch and shoot guy off Brunson/Randle. But he's got the size and attitude to be a fringe all-star in this league.
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Re: Value of Barrett, Herro, Simons? 

Post#45 » by mcfly1204 » Wed Jun 14, 2023 11:59 pm

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mcfly1204 wrote:I think Barrett ends up as the next Wiggins\Gordon, high lotto pick who received a healthy extension based on potential, flames out, but finds a niche on a contender in a couple of years.


Maybe we add Aaron Gordon to that mix as well. I am not quite ready to say that RJ will flame out with the Knicks, but he's a square peg in a round hole playing as a catch and shoot guy off Brunson/Randle. But he's got the size and attitude to be a fringe all-star in this league.
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