Does literally anyone want John Collins

Skybox · Post #41 » by **Skybox** » Wed Dec 27, 2023 11:58 am

NYG wrote:Terry Rozier for John Collins?

That’s not bad…Lamelo would make the league’s best lob finisher look great…assuming they’re losing Bridges

mcfly1204 · Post #42 » by **mcfly1204** » Wed Dec 27, 2023 2:04 pm

I was interested in Cleveland signing Collins, thinking he may be a good big off the bench to fit with Allen and Mobley, but at what he's making...

Jadoogar · Post #43 » by **Jadoogar** » Wed Dec 27, 2023 2:39 pm

The Jazz got him for the corpse of Rudy Gay and a 2rp. He has done nothing to raise his trade value.
I think they are stuck with him until he becomes an expiring.

TheBrooklynKidd · Post #44 » by **TheBrooklynKidd** » Wed Dec 27, 2023 2:43 pm

louc1970 wrote:Send Collins/Sexton to the Nets for Simmons/Whitehead/Smith.
Smith expires, Whitehead has a cheap 3 years remaining, and Simmons will be entering his last year.

Horrible for Brooklyn. I wouldn’t do it straight up.

3 years of Collins is worse than 2 years of Simmons. Brooklyn is going after 2025 free agents.

Kalamazoo317 · Post #45 » by **Kalamazoo317** » Wed Dec 27, 2023 2:45 pm

I'd do Collins for Joe Harris or Joe Harris and Wiseman in a heartbeat.

brackdan70 · Post #46 » by **brackdan70** » Wed Dec 27, 2023 3:35 pm

He is a decent player with some skills but overpaid. He could help a fringe playoff team improve potentially or be a rotation guy on a contender. The contract is a problem though. I have always kind of liked his potential, which he hasn’t seemed to reach.

brackdan70 · Post #47 » by **brackdan70** » Wed Dec 27, 2023 3:43 pm

When he was in his early 20s he looked like a potential star, but he plateaued at 22-23. I think he had an injury in there. He is still only 26, but I think this is what you get. He is an NBA player but not a great one.

Post #48 » by **penbeast0** » Wed Dec 27, 2023 4:13 pm

Laimbeer wrote:Awful teams are unwise to acquire guys like this, so why would a historically awful team do it? I really don't get the urgency to take the Pistons from 10 wins to 12 or 14 wins.

That's because you aren't a Wizard, Hornets, Spurs, or Trailblazers fan. :wink:

psman2 · Post #49 » by **psman2** » Wed Dec 27, 2023 4:19 pm

brackdan70 wrote:When he was in his early 20s he looked like a potential star, but he plateaued at 22-23. I think he had an injury in there. He is still only 26, but I think this is what you get. He is an NBA player but not a great one.

He has been trending down since his suspension for growth hormone in 2019. I think there is reason to believe there is some strong correlation there.

vege · Post #50 » by **vege** » Wed Dec 27, 2023 4:23 pm

Kalamazoo317 wrote:I'd do Collins for Joe Harris or Joe Harris and Wiseman in a heartbeat.

You don't understand the implications of paying that much money for a guy who should be your 5th-7th best player at best.

mg · Post #51 » by mg » Wed Dec 27, 2023 4:28 pm

Kalamazoo317 wrote:I'd do Collins for Joe Harris or Joe Harris and Wiseman in a heartbeat.

That's probably about his worth (expiring contracts) mainly due to the fact Collins is so overpaid. His rebounding is very good and his 3 ball seems to be back this year. His best role might be as a small ball 5. With that said most teams that can use him cannot afford his current contract. I do think his rebounding could help bring a few much needed wins for Detroit. He would also work as a rim running partner for Cade at least until they acquire/develop some foundation pieces.

Alot of us were saying the fit next to Kessler was clunky from day one. In regards to Detroit they probably just need to bring in 1-2 veterans to right the ship without worrying too much about fit at this point.

Post #52 » by **oldncreaky** » Wed Dec 27, 2023 4:55 pm

babyjax13 wrote:
chrbal wrote:I kind of like him for Detroit, but it’s Bagley/Harris and some heavily protected second round pick. Or maybe the Pistons use the money difference to take on someone for a small asset to give to Utah

Tbh I think Bagleys contract is worse than Collins'. Not expecting a ton to make up that difference but a single protected second is am easy no.

After this season, and assuming John Collins takes his PO (why wouldn't he?), he is owed $53M for 2 years. On the open market, would he even get half that?

After this season, Bagley is owed $12.5M for 1 year. He probably deserves the min.

I'll agree that Bagley is bad money, but he's nowhere near as much bad money as Collins

Post #53 » by **oldncreaky** » Wed Dec 27, 2023 4:57 pm

zimpy27 wrote:
dVs33 wrote:Would take collins for Harris and wiseman

Was thinking that Pistons might be keen

Keen?

More like :dontknow:

JRoy · Post #54 » by **JRoy** » Wed Dec 27, 2023 4:59 pm

penbeast0 wrote:
Laimbeer wrote:Awful teams are unwise to acquire guys like this, so why would a historically awful team do it? I really don't get the urgency to take the Pistons from 10 wins to 12 or 14 wins.

That's because you aren't a Wizard, Hornets, Spurs, or Trailblazers fan.

This Trailblazers fan is enjoying our suckage this year. There is no pressure and the fun comes from seeing development in the young guys.

meekrab · Post #55 » by **meekrab** » Wed Dec 27, 2023 5:52 pm

Any team that trades for him needs to have a strong belief they know why he's plateaued as a player since mid 2020 and have a plan for turning it around... and hope it isn't this:

psman2 wrote:
brackdan70 wrote:When he was in his early 20s he looked like a potential star, but he plateaued at 22-23. I think he had an injury in there. He is still only 26, but I think this is what you get. He is an NBA player but not a great one.

He has been trending down since his suspension for growth hormone in 2019. I think there is reason to believe there is some strong correlation there.

dirkforpres · Post #56 » by **dirkforpres** » Wed Dec 27, 2023 5:57 pm

I would cautiously approach him if I were Dallas. Mavs need another big man and Collins can stretch and rebound which is more than I can say for a lot of the other bigs they currently have. I wouldnt offer anything more than Kleber and Holmes for him though, out of sheer PTSD from the Christian Wood experience.

jayjaysee · Post #57 » by **jayjaysee** » Wed Dec 27, 2023 6:00 pm

Never wanted in Dallas and wouldn’t want to lose the ability to send out expirings next summer. And I want Williams/Lively playing together. Hope Dallas passes. Even a THJ/Holmes deal leaves Dallas in a worse position this year and next IMO..

Maybe Clippers because why not? Something around Powell to third team, Tucker+smaller salary to Utah, Collins+smaller useful salary to LAC. Not sure what team would want Powell but seems buildable.

Knickfan1982 · Post #58 » by **Knickfan1982** » Wed Dec 27, 2023 6:23 pm

HadAnEffectHere wrote:The Utah Jazz acquired John Collins for nothing last summer and that turned out to be a huge mistake as he's mediocre and is stealing significant minutes from Walker Kessler and Taylor Hendricks.

Collins is not worth his contract, but is there a team with a bad player on an expiring who would take Collins' 3 years, $72m.

Like, are the Pistons interested in John Collins for Joe Harris. Collins is shooting 40% from three at least.

If we didn't have Randle or Collins didn't have his contract I wouldn't mind having him on the Knicks. We need shooting from our bigs in the worst way.

mg · Post #59 » by mg » Wed Dec 27, 2023 6:26 pm

oldncreaky wrote:
babyjax13 wrote:
chrbal wrote:I kind of like him for Detroit, but it’s Bagley/Harris and some heavily protected second round pick. Or maybe the Pistons use the money difference to take on someone for a small asset to give to Utah

Tbh I think Bagleys contract is worse than Collins'. Not expecting a ton to make up that difference but a single protected second is am easy no.

After this season, and assuming John Collins takes his PO (why wouldn't he?), he is owed $53M for 2 years. On the open market, would he even get half that?

After this season, Bagley is owed $12.5M for 1 year. He probably deserves the min.

I'll agree that Bagley is bad money, but he's nowhere near as much bad money as Collins

Based on his rebounding and ability to make 3's I think some team could potentially offer a 2/$40 short term contract to Collins? Yes he's overpaid but he's still a serviceable big that would at least be a 3rd big on most teams. Bagley is a guy I wouldn't want anywhere near my team (Same with Wiseman).

jayjaysee · Post #60 » by **jayjaysee** » Wed Dec 27, 2023 6:49 pm

If Toronto isn’t looking to tank strongly, maybe they take back Collins in whatever Pascal trade instead of whatever salary it was going to be? Collins is overpaid, but Toronto will have tax room if Pascal is traded..

Memphis has two injured bigs and a really great defensive big.. maybe a deal there? Salaries work pretty well but would be shortsighted IMO.