Carry on my Hayward son? Your team's top offer for GH

[ChettheJet]

Fine.

LaVine, Morris, and 26 OKC 1st to CHA
Harris to CHI
Hayward and Washington to PHI

Unfortunately there was no interest in taking long term money back.

In spite of that. The Bulls certainly consider this as they have an expiring Demar DeRozan to add to Harris, just as soon as they identify who is going to be on the FA market that helps them when they spend their $68M in cap space

[gswhoops]

Cynically, I think the Warriors are going to try and shop Wiggins + assets at the deadline for someone like Hayward or DeRozan that they can pitch as an upgrade but in reality clears Wiggins’ contract off the books to get out of the tax next year.

[JMAC3]

Bertans + Poku + Mann + 3-4 SRP for Hayward.

Yeah that would be a deal I would do.

[JMAC3]

After ORL sends WCJ, Black, 2 ORL frps to ATL for Murray. (And is suddenly thin at C)…

ORL sends Isaac (non-guaranteed), Fultz (expiring), 2 srps
CHA sends Hayward rental, Nick Richards
* if Isaac gets healthy, CHA wins in a big way…if not, no loss of cap space and a couple srps. Fultz might actually find a new home, backing up Lamelo and even freeing him up a bit at times. CHA’s wings would enjoy running with Fultz…again- no risk audition

I would probably do it for any of these combos.

Hayward for Issac, Harris, 1 2nd.
Hayward for Fultz, Ingles, 1 2nd
Hayward for Issac and Fultz

Charlotte gets free looks at them for 40 games which with 50 million in cap has some value IMO.

Richards for 2nds is bottom value for him IMO. I would probably just keep him in that case.

[JMAC3]

Cynically, I think the Warriors are going to try and shop Wiggins + assets at the deadline for someone like Hayward or DeRozan that they can pitch as an upgrade but in reality clears Wiggins’ contract off the books to get out of the tax next year.

I feel pretty strongly about avoiding Wiggins. Not really a good piece for a new GM to have to come in and figure out, even if it does bring some incentives. If he can't get right playing with HOF and a great coach I don't think shipping him to Charlotte where large contracts go to rot is the move.

[ConSarnit]

Tate to be flipped for probably a couple seconds or Toppin and pick 38

Tate to Pacers
Hayward to Rockets
Toppin, Oladipo, Landale and 38 to Hornets

Not bad

I'd probably rather have cap space than take that package for Hayward. Landale is horrible and is owed $8m/year until 2026. Getting off of him would probably cost around the 38th pick by itself. So then you're trading Hayward for the rights to pay Toppin as an RFA when you already have Washington? Let's say Toppin wants around MLE money (maybe slightly less). CHA gets the 38th pick in a bad draft so they can pay Toppin + Landale $20m/yr over the next 2 years? Doesn't sound appealing. Now, do I think CHA can make great use of that $20m in space? Not really, but I'd rather have that option sitting there than the Toppin/Landale combo.

[Texas Chuck]

Cynically, I think the Warriors are going to try and shop Wiggins + assets at the deadline for someone like Hayward or DeRozan that they can pitch as an upgrade but in reality clears Wiggins’ contract off the books to get out of the tax next year.

I feel pretty strongly about avoiding Wiggins. Not really a good piece for a new GM to have to come in and figure out, even if it does bring some incentives. If he can't get right playing with HOF and a great coach I don't think shipping him to Charlotte where large contracts go to rot is the move.

Pretty sure he's not selling Wiggins to you as a reclamation project. He's selling you as a bad contract and the incentives would be the reason for Charlotte to consider it. Now if you believe Charlotte can use their space/assets to be competitive in the next few seasons maybe there would be no interest, but if it looks like a longer rebuild(which imo it does right now) then if the incentive is enough, it seems like a decent idea. And we've had reporting since the Rozier deal that Charlotte is willing to take on bad money for incentive, so if that reporting is correct....

[Texas Chuck]

Tate to be flipped for probably a couple seconds or Toppin and pick 38

Tate to Pacers
Hayward to Rockets
Toppin, Oladipo, Landale and 38 to Hornets

Not bad

I'd probably rather have cap space than take that package for Hayward. Landale is horrible and is owed $8m/year until 2026. Getting off of him would probably cost around the 38th pick by itself. So then you're trading Hayward for the rights to pay Toppin as an RFA when you already have Washington? Let's say Toppin wants around MLE money (maybe slightly less). CHA gets the 38th pick in a bad draft so they can pay Toppin + Landale $20m/yr over the next 2 years? Doesn't sound appealing. Now, do I think CHA can make great use of that $20m in space? Not really, but I'd rather have that option sitting there than the Toppin/Landale combo.

Landale has no gtd money after this year.

[MoneyTalks41890]

Can't recommend Spotrac enough for the granular salary cap/contract details.

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/houston-rockets/jock-landale-74215/

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/houston-rockets/cap/

[ConSarnit]

Tate to Pacers
Hayward to Rockets
Toppin, Oladipo, Landale and 38 to Hornets

Not bad

I'd probably rather have cap space than take that package for Hayward. Landale is horrible and is owed $8m/year until 2026. Getting off of him would probably cost around the 38th pick by itself. So then you're trading Hayward for the rights to pay Toppin as an RFA when you already have Washington? Let's say Toppin wants around MLE money (maybe slightly less). CHA gets the 38th pick in a bad draft so they can pay Toppin + Landale $20m/yr over the next 2 years? Doesn't sound appealing. Now, do I think CHA can make great use of that $20m in space? Not really, but I'd rather have that option sitting there than the Toppin/Landale combo.

Landale has no gtd money after this year.

My bad. Was looking at payrolls on bballref. I would guess the Hornets probably can't do better than 38 for Hayward. They could just let Toppin walk if they aren't interested in him long term.

[JMAC3]

Cynically, I think the Warriors are going to try and shop Wiggins + assets at the deadline for someone like Hayward or DeRozan that they can pitch as an upgrade but in reality clears Wiggins’ contract off the books to get out of the tax next year.

I feel pretty strongly about avoiding Wiggins. Not really a good piece for a new GM to have to come in and figure out, even if it does bring some incentives. If he can't get right playing with HOF and a great coach I don't think shipping him to Charlotte where large contracts go to rot is the move.

Pretty sure he's not selling Wiggins to you as a reclamation project. He's selling you as a bad contract and the incentives would be the reason for Charlotte to consider it. Now if you believe Charlotte can use their space/assets to be competitive in the next few seasons maybe there would be no interest, but if it looks like a longer rebuild(which imo it does right now) then if the incentive is enough, it seems like a decent idea. And we've had reporting since the Rozier deal that Charlotte is willing to take on bad money for incentive, so if that reporting is correct....

Yeah, if we are supposed to be accepting Wiggins as a complete sunk cost for the next 3.5 years then that is a tough sell. Here pay this guy 100 million dollars and we will give you this bench rotation player...

[Texas Chuck]

I feel pretty strongly about avoiding Wiggins. Not really a good piece for a new GM to have to come in and figure out, even if it does bring some incentives. If he can't get right playing with HOF and a great coach I don't think shipping him to Charlotte where large contracts go to rot is the move.

Pretty sure he's not selling Wiggins to you as a reclamation project. He's selling you as a bad contract and the incentives would be the reason for Charlotte to consider it. Now if you believe Charlotte can use their space/assets to be competitive in the next few seasons maybe there would be no interest, but if it looks like a longer rebuild(which imo it does right now) then if the incentive is enough, it seems like a decent idea. And we've had reporting since the Rozier deal that Charlotte is willing to take on bad money for incentive, so if that reporting is correct....

Yeah, if we are supposed to be accepting Wiggins as a complete sunk cost for the next 3.5 years then that is a tough sell. Here pay this guy 100 million dollars and we will give you this bench rotation player...

Did I miss where someone asked Charlotte to take Wiggins' contract for a bench player? Point me to that post please. As for me I stated quite clearly "if the incentive is enough". I'll highlight it for you.

[K_chile22]

I'd probably rather have cap space than take that package for Hayward. Landale is horrible and is owed $8m/year until 2026. Getting off of him would probably cost around the 38th pick by itself. So then you're trading Hayward for the rights to pay Toppin as an RFA when you already have Washington? Let's say Toppin wants around MLE money (maybe slightly less). CHA gets the 38th pick in a bad draft so they can pay Toppin + Landale $20m/yr over the next 2 years? Doesn't sound appealing. Now, do I think CHA can make great use of that $20m in space? Not really, but I'd rather have that option sitting there than the Toppin/Landale combo.

Landale has no gtd money after this year.

My bad. Was looking at payrolls on bballref. I would guess the Hornets probably can't do better than 38 for Hayward. They could just let Toppin walk if they aren't interested in him long term.

yeah, I'm biased but I think 0 money past this season+38+whatever you can flip tate for (tate is also non guaranteed though fwiw) is a stong offer

[WillyJakkz]

Didn't come to comment on the topic but only to say damn great thread title!



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[JMAC3]

Pretty sure he's not selling Wiggins to you as a reclamation project. He's selling you as a bad contract and the incentives would be the reason for Charlotte to consider it. Now if you believe Charlotte can use their space/assets to be competitive in the next few seasons maybe there would be no interest, but if it looks like a longer rebuild(which imo it does right now) then if the incentive is enough, it seems like a decent idea. And we've had reporting since the Rozier deal that Charlotte is willing to take on bad money for incentive, so if that reporting is correct....

Yeah, if we are supposed to be accepting Wiggins as a complete sunk cost for the next 3.5 years then that is a tough sell. Here pay this guy 100 million dollars and we will give you this bench rotation player...

Did I miss where someone asked Charlotte to take Wiggins' contract for a bench player? Point me to that post please. As for me I stated quite clearly "if the incentive is enough". I'll highlight it for you.

I have seen Moody mentioned. Is he not a bench rotation player at this point?
Are they giving up Podz or Kuminga? I would assume Warriors fans would be totally against moving them in a salary dump.

Is paying 100 million in dead money essentially worth 1 first? That seems expensive.

[JRoy]

Ayton

[Texas Chuck]

Yeah, if we are supposed to be accepting Wiggins as a complete sunk cost for the next 3.5 years then that is a tough sell. Here pay this guy 100 million dollars and we will give you this bench rotation player...

Did I miss where someone asked Charlotte to take Wiggins' contract for a bench player? Point me to that post please. As for me I stated quite clearly "if the incentive is enough". I'll highlight it for you.

I have seen Moody mentioned. Is he not a bench rotation player at this point?
Are they giving up Podz or Kuminga? I would assume Warriors fans would be totally against moving them in a salary dump.

Is paying 100 million in dead money essentially worth 1 first? That seems expensive.

Yeah obviously no team should take him for just Moody(unless they were convinced he could be fixed, that's not what you and I are discussing). I don't think 1 first gets it done either. It's probably impossible to find a price GSW would pay that team would view as enough.

But if a team talked themselves into Wiggins as an MLE level player then it becomes closer I guess? I know I've proposed a deal where Dallas turns some bad two year deals into Wiggins as part of the value for them adding another role player(DFS) with the idea being Dallas would hope to get value out of him as a player. But Charlotte admittedly is in a different spot.

[jazzfan1971]

I thought about coming with something around John Collins. But if you aren't willing to take on salary there is just nothing I can do with the Jazz as we need to keep space to renegotiate and extend Lauri.

[MoneyTalks41890]

Charlotte should clear salary in order to make deals where they get paid for salary. So imo if they are compensated properly there’s no reason not to take 2 year deals.

[JMAC3]

Charlotte should clear salary in order to make deals where they get paid for salary. So imo if they are compensated properly there’s no reason not to take 2 year deals.

Yeah no issue with taking a deal that runs into next year. FA class isn't really all that good anyways. I am just avoiding taking on 3+ year contracts or contracts like Simmons who basically limit all remaining moves.