San Antonio & Washington: The District Sleeps Alone Tonight

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Re: San Antonio & Washington: The District Sleeps Alone Tonight 

Post#41 » by JeffFosters » Sat Jan 27, 2024 2:57 am

Colbinii wrote:
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He is definitely the most negative player in the NBA, given his efficiency/usage.


By what metric? In the East he’s 34th worst in PER (with 14 players worse than him with similar minutes) and he’s 15th worst in TS%. Even his usage rate (25%) is second on the wizards and not even top 50 in the NBA.

I think it’s fair to say he’s not having a great year but he is far from the worst/most negative player in the NBA.


He ranks 2nd to last in WS and BPM he ranks 2nd to last.

You are right, he is second worst. The worst player in the NBA this year is Scoot Henderson. Poole is 2nd worst.


Your claim was Poole is the worst in the nba in usage and efficiency so I referenced metrics directly addressing those aspects of his game. BPM is an incredibly flawed stat, especially for smaller offensive guards, and WS is very flawed when you’re assessing a team with the record of the wiz.

Again, Poole is a 24 year old who was assaulted in the workplace and then ostensibly fired for it. He’s shown that his best is pretty good. I wouldn’t be shocked if there’s 5 or 6 teams that would be interested in seeing if they can get him back on track. I hope he figures it out because what happened to him was horrible.
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Re: San Antonio & Washington: The District Sleeps Alone Tonight 

Post#42 » by Texas Chuck » Sat Jan 27, 2024 3:14 am

There are not 5 or 6 teams who would take Poole on without being heavily compensated, but I am curious to hear you name 5 teams who want to take on that contract hoping he can be good for them and don't need major incentive to do so. I'll see if you can convince anyone else of those teams's desire.
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Re: San Antonio & Washington: The District Sleeps Alone Tonight 

Post#43 » by Colbinii » Sat Jan 27, 2024 3:24 am

jarryd3107 wrote:
Colbinii wrote:
jarryd3107 wrote:
By what metric? In the East he’s 34th worst in PER (with 14 players worse than him with similar minutes) and he’s 15th worst in TS%. Even his usage rate (25%) is second on the wizards and not even top 50 in the NBA.

I think it’s fair to say he’s not having a great year but he is far from the worst/most negative player in the NBA.


He ranks 2nd to last in WS and BPM he ranks 2nd to last.

You are right, he is second worst. The worst player in the NBA this year is Scoot Henderson. Poole is 2nd worst.


Your claim was Poole is the worst in the nba in usage and efficiency so I referenced metrics directly addressing those aspects of his game. BPM is an incredibly flawed stat, especially for smaller offensive guards, and WS is very flawed when you’re assessing a team with the record of the wiz.

Again, Poole is a 24 year old who was assaulted in the workplace and then ostensibly fired for it. He’s shown that his best is pretty good. I wouldn’t be shocked if there’s 5 or 6 teams that would be interested in seeing if they can get him back on track. I hope he figures it out because what happened to him was horrible.


I said he is the worst with the combination of usage and efficiency. Meaning he is the ultimate negative player--he uses a ton of possessions for a team and doesn't score effectively and doesn't create or make plays for others.

That's all I was trying to say, is he is the ultimate negative player because he hogs possessions and scores horribly inefficient.
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Re: San Antonio & Washington: The District Sleeps Alone Tonight 

Post#44 » by JeffFosters » Sat Jan 27, 2024 3:54 am

Colbinii wrote:
jarryd3107 wrote:
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He ranks 2nd to last in WS and BPM he ranks 2nd to last.

You are right, he is second worst. The worst player in the NBA this year is Scoot Henderson. Poole is 2nd worst.


Your claim was Poole is the worst in the nba in usage and efficiency so I referenced metrics directly addressing those aspects of his game. BPM is an incredibly flawed stat, especially for smaller offensive guards, and WS is very flawed when you’re assessing a team with the record of the wiz.

Again, Poole is a 24 year old who was assaulted in the workplace and then ostensibly fired for it. He’s shown that his best is pretty good. I wouldn’t be shocked if there’s 5 or 6 teams that would be interested in seeing if they can get him back on track. I hope he figures it out because what happened to him was horrible.


I said he is the worst with the combination of usage and efficiency. Meaning he is the ultimate negative player--he uses a ton of possessions for a team and doesn't score effectively and doesn't create or make plays for others.

That's all I was trying to say, is he is the ultimate negative player because he hogs possessions and scores horribly inefficient.


Ok but that’s not borne out in any usage or efficiency metric. Reckon we leave this one here though.
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Re: San Antonio & Washington: The District Sleeps Alone Tonight 

Post#45 » by Colbinii » Sat Jan 27, 2024 4:12 am

jarryd3107 wrote:
Colbinii wrote:
jarryd3107 wrote:
Your claim was Poole is the worst in the nba in usage and efficiency so I referenced metrics directly addressing those aspects of his game. BPM is an incredibly flawed stat, especially for smaller offensive guards, and WS is very flawed when you’re assessing a team with the record of the wiz.

Again, Poole is a 24 year old who was assaulted in the workplace and then ostensibly fired for it. He’s shown that his best is pretty good. I wouldn’t be shocked if there’s 5 or 6 teams that would be interested in seeing if they can get him back on track. I hope he figures it out because what happened to him was horrible.


I said he is the worst with the combination of usage and efficiency. Meaning he is the ultimate negative player--he uses a ton of possessions for a team and doesn't score effectively and doesn't create or make plays for others.

That's all I was trying to say, is he is the ultimate negative player because he hogs possessions and scores horribly inefficient.


Ok but that’s not borne out in any usage or efficiency metric. Reckon we leave this one here though.


What are you talking about?

The only players this year with > 20% Usage and comparable OBPM is Scoot Henderson and Andrew Wiggins.

Poole ranks 45th in Usage% in the NBA, and he is one of 6 players in that Top 45 with a negative OBPM, and Poole is at -3.5 OBPM.

Scoot Henderson is the worst player in the league when accounting for Usage. Poole is a close 2nd and 3rd place is distant.

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