Don’t show this to my fellow Wolves fans…Best Naz Reid offers?

[mademan]

It would have to be sending out Wiggins, Moody and a future 1st, with Wiggins to a 3rd team.The 3rd team would have to send Minny something they want, with some extra salary (hopefully not useless) to GS. Difficult to impossible to connect the dots on that deal though.

Yeah, Wiggins is one of the more solidly negative value contracts in the league, so I don't see who is going to be sending out things anyone wants for him. That's closer to a package for a Wiggins pure salary dump than it is somehow turning Wiggins' terrible contract to Naz. So I think Golden State is stuck with him.

Wiggins will still return an expiring, imo. No doubt in my mind a team like Dallas would send THJ+Powell for him. Not an expiring, but i think the Lakers would send out Rui+Vando for him as well, breaking his contract in half and making it easier to dump

[Colbinii]

It would have to be sending out Wiggins, Moody and a future 1st, with Wiggins to a 3rd team.The 3rd team would have to send Minny something they want, with some extra salary (hopefully not useless) to GS. Difficult to impossible to connect the dots on that deal though.

Yeah, Wiggins is one of the more solidly negative value contracts in the league, so I don't see who is going to be sending out things anyone wants for him. That's closer to a package for a Wiggins pure salary dump than it is somehow turning Wiggins' terrible contract to Naz. So I think Golden State is stuck with him.

Wiggins will still return an expiring, imo. No doubt in my mind a team like Dallas would send THJ+Powell for him. Not an expiring, but i think the Lakers would send out Rui+Vando for him as well, breaking his contract in half and making it easier to dump

Yup, the upside of Wiggins being a 3rd or 4th best player on a title team still very much exists.

[7r5ur]

It would have to be sending out Wiggins, Moody and a future 1st, with Wiggins to a 3rd team.The 3rd team would have to send Minny something they want, with some extra salary (hopefully not useless) to GS. Difficult to impossible to connect the dots on that deal though.

Yeah, Wiggins is one of the more solidly negative value contracts in the league, so I don't see who is going to be sending out things anyone wants for him. That's closer to a package for a Wiggins pure salary dump than it is somehow turning Wiggins' terrible contract to Naz. So I think Golden State is stuck with him.

Wiggins will still return an expiring, imo. No doubt in my mind a team like Dallas would send THJ+Powell for him. Not an expiring, but i think the Lakers would send out Rui+Vando for him as well, breaking his contract in half and making it easier to dump

Well sure. THJ is another negative asset, being even worse as a player (barely/not a rotation guy at this point) and on an inflated number next year. Dallas could say screw it and risk taking Wiggins deal. But could Golden State do that unless they’re blowing it up?

The thing I replied to implied a team would be giving assets to take Wiggins.

[Texas Chuck]

Yeah, Wiggins is one of the more solidly negative value contracts in the league, so I don't see who is going to be sending out things anyone wants for him. That's closer to a package for a Wiggins pure salary dump than it is somehow turning Wiggins' terrible contract to Naz. So I think Golden State is stuck with him.

Wiggins will still return an expiring, imo. No doubt in my mind a team like Dallas would send THJ+Powell for him. Not an expiring, but i think the Lakers would send out Rui+Vando for him as well, breaking his contract in half and making it easier to dump

Well sure. THJ is another negative asset, being even worse as a player (barely/not a rotation guy at this point) and on an inflated number next year. Dallas could say screw it and risk taking Wiggins deal. But could Golden State do that unless they’re blowing it up?

The thing I replied to implied a team would be giving assets to take Wiggins.

I don't think giberish did imply that. I read it as a team who needed a defensive wing, sending something else Minny could use (3rd big or PG perhaps) along with some salary(he even acknowledged it could be useless) to GSW.

I don't think he's under illusions teams are lining up to give value for Wiggins.

[7r5ur]

Wiggins will still return an expiring, imo. No doubt in my mind a team like Dallas would send THJ+Powell for him. Not an expiring, but i think the Lakers would send out Rui+Vando for him as well, breaking his contract in half and making it easier to dump

Well sure. THJ is another negative asset, being even worse as a player (barely/not a rotation guy at this point) and on an inflated number next year. Dallas could say screw it and risk taking Wiggins deal. But could Golden State do that unless they’re blowing it up?

The thing I replied to implied a team would be giving assets to take Wiggins.

I don't think giberish did imply that. I read it as a team who needed a defensive wing, sending something else Minny could use (3rd big or PG perhaps) along with some salary(he even acknowledged it could be useless) to GSW.

I don't think he's under illusions teams are lining up to give value for Wiggins.

I took “send Minny something they want” as being a positive value asset, but maybe that’s wrong.

[OxAndFox]

Here's my obligatory #13/Davion for Naz/#27.
Wolves cut some money and can extend Davion at a good number while being behind Conley for one more year and then taking over the starting PG role.

This could make sense. Wolves fans probably won’t like it. Check Davion’s shooting splits the last half of the season. His defense and 40% from the corners is a winning combo.

I actually have thought the Wolves are a great spot for Davion TBH. This next season will tell us whether or not the work he put in on his shot actually transfers, because a team with Ant would need him to play off ball and be a shooter and like you mentioned, his corner shot was good after the AS break.

[giberish]

Wiggins will still return an expiring, imo. No doubt in my mind a team like Dallas would send THJ+Powell for him. Not an expiring, but i think the Lakers would send out Rui+Vando for him as well, breaking his contract in half and making it easier to dump

Well sure. THJ is another negative asset, being even worse as a player (barely/not a rotation guy at this point) and on an inflated number next year. Dallas could say screw it and risk taking Wiggins deal. But could Golden State do that unless they’re blowing it up?

The thing I replied to implied a team would be giving assets to take Wiggins.

I don't think giberish did imply that. I read it as a team who needed a defensive wing, sending something else Minny could use (3rd big or PG perhaps) along with some salary(he even acknowledged it could be useless) to GSW.

I don't think he's under illusions teams are lining up to give value for Wiggins.

Yeah I was expecting the 3rd team to get Wiggins/Moody/1st and send something useful to Minny and overpaid but playable salary filler to GS. (Or Moody and/or the 1st end up in Minny with a less valuable thing from the 3rd team. Again, I can't think of a 3rd team this plan works with anyway).

[shrink]

Okay Mamba - you’re on my list. Picture me as Steve Buscimi in Billy Madison.

Ok, seriously, the GM in me completely understands this. Thirteen months from now, MIN likely can’t afford to pay Naz what he deserves when he opts out, and his trade value on this year of low salary, to a team that CAN afford to keep him with Bird rights. He also isn’t a starter on the Wolves, and could be worth more to another team. This makes him a textbook trade candidate.

That said, I’ve been here long enough to learn these types of decisions aren’t 100% based on CBA math, and Naz is a perfect case for this. In fact, he is only on MIN now because Glen Taylor made an uncharacteristic intervention to get Connelly to raise his offer to keep him, and Naz Reid took less because he wanted to stay in MIN. This may have been the first time in franchise history a player took less to stay HERE, but he liked his teammates, and he wanted to repay MIN for taking a chance on him as a pudgy undrafted free agent. He is likely the second most popular player on the current team with fans, because his work ethic and competitiveness resonates with Minnesota values. A Naz Reid beach towel is a badge of honor.

I’d also point out that he is a big part of MIN’s advantage over other teams. The Wolves pound opponents’ bigs, challenging their size and picking up fouls. With Reid as sixth man, teams need 96 minutes of quality big man defense, which few teams can afford.

As a GM, I think a Naz trade makes lots of sense. But the NBA is entertainment, and the fans love Naz. I’m curious what offers this thread will draw, but I think the likely outcome is he plays one more year with the Wolves, and then, for the first time in his career, he gets paid what he’s worth as a free agent on another team.

[OGSactownballer]

If you simply want to dump the salary but have a usable piece that directly replaces Reid’s current role, I’d say Trey Lyle’s and the #13 (Minny can pick a guard that will be totally under cost control). That gets you basically even in the role, cuts your money and allows you to draft for the need of a scoring combo guard to develop cheaply.

For Sac we take the shot at Naz being the answer at PF next to Sabonis as a starter and then of course pay him accordingly if it works out after next year.

It’s not necessarily your ideal scenario, but few trades to clear $$$$ are this mutually beneficial.

[Ell Curry]

Reid for Wallace.

But man, seeing Reid starting in OKC being unlocked next to Chet, would be a hard watch as Wolves fan. Especially when Wallace would take at least a year of sitting and learning from Conley before being starter (major contributor).

This is pretty interesting. Value is a little low for OKC, but the fit is good, and maybe they'll find it easier to get a replacement 6th man guard than a starting PF.

So it probably comes down to what the seemingly inevitable Giddey trade looks like, and maybe what OKC has available at #12 and what they like? Devin Carter would in theory be a decent fit, though maybe losing Giddey and Wallace would put them a little low on ballhandling?

[gswhoops]

Okay Mamba - you’re on my list. Picture me as Steve Buscimi in Billy Madison.

Ok, seriously, the GM in me completely understands this. Thirteen months from now, MIN likely can’t afford to pay Naz what he deserves when he opts out, and his trade value on this year of low salary, to a team that CAN afford to keep him with Bird rights. He also isn’t a starter on the Wolves, and could be worth more to another team. This makes him a textbook trade candidate.

That said, I’ve been here long enough to learn these types of decisions aren’t 100% based on CBA math, and Naz is a perfect case for this. In fact, he is only on MIN now because Glen Taylor made an uncharacteristic intervention to get Connelly to raise his offer to keep him, and Naz Reid took less because he wanted to stay in MIN. This may have been the first time in franchise history a player took less to stay HERE, but he liked his teammates, and he wanted to repay MIN for taking a chance on him as a pudgy undrafted free agent. He is likely the second most popular player on the current team with fans, because his work ethic and competitiveness resonates with Minnesota values. A Naz Reid beach towel is a badge of honor.

I’d also point out that he is a big part of MIN’s advantage over other teams. The Wolves pound opponents’ bigs, challenging their size and picking up fouls. With Reid as sixth man, teams need 96 minutes of quality big man defense, which few teams can afford.

As a GM, I think a Naz trade makes lots of sense. But the NBA is entertainment, and the fans love Naz. I’m curious what offers this thread will draw, but I think the likely outcome is he plays one more year with the Wolves, and then, for the first time in his career, he gets paid what he’s worth as a free agent on another team.

Even just from a purely GM perspective, it's hard to see a Naz trade that really makes sense. Minnesota wants to win now and has big luxury tax concerns. Naz is very good and underpaid. It's basically a given that Minnesota is going to take a step backwards either on the court or in terms of their tax issues (or both) if they trade him.

If you're willing to take a step back to collect future assets then maybe...

[andyhop]

Okay Mamba - you’re on my list. Picture me as Steve Buscimi in Billy Madison.

Ok, seriously, the GM in me completely understands this. Thirteen months from now, MIN likely can’t afford to pay Naz what he deserves when he opts out, and his trade value on this year of low salary, to a team that CAN afford to keep him with Bird rights. He also isn’t a starter on the Wolves, and could be worth more to another team. This makes him a textbook trade candidate.

That said, I’ve been here long enough to learn these types of decisions aren’t 100% based on CBA math, and Naz is a perfect case for this. In fact, he is only on MIN now because Glen Taylor made an uncharacteristic intervention to get Connelly to raise his offer to keep him, and Naz Reid took less because he wanted to stay in MIN. This may have been the first time in franchise history a player took less to stay HERE, but he liked his teammates, and he wanted to repay MIN for taking a chance on him as a pudgy undrafted free agent. He is likely the second most popular player on the current team with fans, because his work ethic and competitiveness resonates with Minnesota values. A Naz Reid beach towel is a badge of honor.

I’d also point out that he is a big part of MIN’s advantage over other teams. The Wolves pound opponents’ bigs, challenging their size and picking up fouls. With Reid as sixth man, teams need 96 minutes of quality big man defense, which few teams can afford.

As a GM, I think a Naz trade makes lots of sense. But the NBA is entertainment, and the fans love Naz. I’m curious what offers this thread will draw, but I think the likely outcome is he plays one more year with the Wolves, and then, for the first time in his career, he gets paid what he’s worth as a free agent on another team.

Even just from a purely GM perspective, it's hard to see a Naz trade that really makes sense. Minnesota wants to win now and has big luxury tax concerns. Naz is very good and underpaid. It's basically a given that Minnesota is going to take a step backwards either on the court or in terms of their tax issues (or both) if they trade him.

If you're willing to take a step back to collect future assets then maybe...

The thing is if finances overcome the need for talent a KAT trade just makes much more sense than a Naz one

[Colbinii]

Okay Mamba - you’re on my list. Picture me as Steve Buscimi in Billy Madison.

Ok, seriously, the GM in me completely understands this. Thirteen months from now, MIN likely can’t afford to pay Naz what he deserves when he opts out, and his trade value on this year of low salary, to a team that CAN afford to keep him with Bird rights. He also isn’t a starter on the Wolves, and could be worth more to another team. This makes him a textbook trade candidate.

That said, I’ve been here long enough to learn these types of decisions aren’t 100% based on CBA math, and Naz is a perfect case for this. In fact, he is only on MIN now because Glen Taylor made an uncharacteristic intervention to get Connelly to raise his offer to keep him, and Naz Reid took less because he wanted to stay in MIN. This may have been the first time in franchise history a player took less to stay HERE, but he liked his teammates, and he wanted to repay MIN for taking a chance on him as a pudgy undrafted free agent. He is likely the second most popular player on the current team with fans, because his work ethic and competitiveness resonates with Minnesota values. A Naz Reid beach towel is a badge of honor.

I’d also point out that he is a big part of MIN’s advantage over other teams. The Wolves pound opponents’ bigs, challenging their size and picking up fouls. With Reid as sixth man, teams need 96 minutes of quality big man defense, which few teams can afford.

As a GM, I think a Naz trade makes lots of sense. But the NBA is entertainment, and the fans love Naz. I’m curious what offers this thread will draw, but I think the likely outcome is he plays one more year with the Wolves, and then, for the first time in his career, he gets paid what he’s worth as a free agent on another team.

Even just from a purely GM perspective, it's hard to see a Naz trade that really makes sense. Minnesota wants to win now and has big luxury tax concerns. Naz is very good and underpaid. It's basically a given that Minnesota is going to take a step backwards either on the court or in terms of their tax issues (or both) if they trade him.

If you're willing to take a step back to collect future assets then maybe...

The thing is if finances overcome the need for talent a KAT trade just makes much more sense than a Naz one

Yup, but neither really make sense this season.

[shrink]

Even just from a purely GM perspective, it's hard to see a Naz trade that really makes sense. Minnesota wants to win now and has big luxury tax concerns. Naz is very good and underpaid. It's basically a given that Minnesota is going to take a step backwards either on the court or in terms of their tax issues (or both) if they trade him.

If you're willing to take a step back to collect future assets then maybe...

The thing is if finances overcome the need for talent a KAT trade just makes much more sense than a Naz one

Yup, but neither really make sense this season.

I agree. Next season should be another win now season, even paying luxury tax, to try to get the public excited enough to vote for free money towards a new arena. That probably means trading neither Naz or KAT.

And that makes gswhoops point as well. If MIN is trying to maximize wins next season, Naz helps them win. His value for one important season of production might be worth more to the Wolves than trading him and the team getting worse, even if they lose out on getting an asset for the future.

[Wolveswin]

The thing is if finances overcome the need for talent a KAT trade just makes much more sense than a Naz one

Yup, but neither really make sense this season.

I agree. Next season should be another win now season, even paying luxury tax, to try to get the public excited enough to vote for free money towards a new arena. That means trading neither Naz or KAT.

And that makes gswhoops point as well. If MIN is trying to maximize wins next season, Naz helps them win. His value for one important season of production might be worth more to the Wolves than trading him and the team getting worse, even if they lose out on getting an asset for the future.

Can’t we have our cake and eat it too?

Trading Towns (I know, thinking same thing as you Shrink), means a) keeping Reid b) being able to re-sign Anderson and c) maybe even yet another under 2nd apron expectation becomes available (can’t confirm nor deny that). And that whole last sentence doesn’t even discuss the “what.” What we get for Towns in player compensation. For the sake of this argument let’s say a very nice PG (say Murray LEVEL or better).

24/25 Wolves with Towns:
Gobert | Reid (ride or die final season)
Towns | ? (not Anderson we know that)
McDaniels
Edwards | NAW
Conley

24/25 Wolves without Towns: (below 2nd apron)
Gobert | Capela*
Reid (can be re-signed) | Anderson (can be retained)
McDaniels
Edwards | NAW
Murray* | Conley (leading bench and closing games)

*Murray/Capela just place holders for many, many trade Towns player compensation packages scenarios (which would include draft compensation too).

Which team is better 24/25? Which is better longterm? Which has more flexibility? What if Wolves get better than Murray/Capela/pick for Towns…doesn’t that tip the scale even more?

[DrModesty]

Wallace would not be on the table from OKC. As a rookie he played elite defense all year long, including on Kyrie in the playoffs. TS% was 62, and ass/to ratio was 3. Very matured decision maker for his age. It all depends on how much he is able to scale his role, especially given the depth of premier talent on the Thunder, but I think the franchise would be looking at him like a future Derrick White type player.

The guy they should ask for is Isaiah Joe. I have my doubts OKC would give him up either, on account of the shooting being more of a sure thing than Reid's.

[Wolveswin]

Wallace would not be on the table from OKC. As a rookie he played elite defense all year long, including on Kyrie in the playoffs. TS% was 62, and ass/to ratio was 3. Very matured decision maker for his age. It all depends on how much he is able to scale his role, especially given the depth of premier talent on the Thunder, but I think the franchise would be looking at him like a future Derrick White type player.

The guy they should ask for is Isaiah Joe. I have my doubts OKC would give him up either, on account of the shooting being more of a sure thing than Reid's.

You do realize Wolves fans could say the same sentences about Reid…yes? Just change the name, change the accolades, but to each their own. Reid did it so well he got recognized by the entire league as being the best at it.

Not saying you have to sign on for a Reid | Wallace trade (because trades and value have so many variables) but acting like your guys is “all that” well, we can do that too with our guy. Actually every team can do that with ‘our guy’.

Then to end your lamenting with Isaiah Joe is off the table for Reid is insulting - laughable really. Would we get anywhere if I said Leonard Miller was off table for Wallace? No.

[toooskies]

Maybe No. 20 and a TPE if the Cavs can trade Niang and seconds to the Pistons?

What about Dean Wade and #20?

I think it would have to be Wade or 20.

Naz & #27 for Wade & #20? Maybe the Cavs trade down w/ Utah at #29 or #32 with another 2nd to offload Niang.

[DrModesty]

Wallace would not be on the table from OKC. As a rookie he played elite defense all year long, including on Kyrie in the playoffs. TS% was 62, and ass/to ratio was 3. Very matured decision maker for his age. It all depends on how much he is able to scale his role, especially given the depth of premier talent on the Thunder, but I think the franchise would be looking at him like a future Derrick White type player.

The guy they should ask for is Isaiah Joe. I have my doubts OKC would give him up either, on account of the shooting being more of a sure thing than Reid's.

You do realize Wolves fans could say the same sentences about Reid…yes? Just change the name, change the accolades, but to each their own. Reid did it so well he got recognized by the entire league as being the best at it.

Not saying you have to sign on for a Reid | Wallace trade (because trades and value have so many variables) but acting like your guys is “all that” well, we can do that too with our guy. Actually every team can do that with ‘our guy’.

Then to end your lamenting with Isaiah Joe is off the table for Reid is insulting - laughable really. Would we get anywhere if I said Leonard Miller was off table for Wallace? No.

Except in multiple threads you have suggested Reid for Wallace and everyone has said OKC shouldn't do it, including neutrals. Isaiah Joe on the other hand fulfills a very similar role (Bench shooting option). Reid does it in a more scarce position, and Joe does it at a slightly higher level. Both have proven capable when asked to step in to a starters role in limited opportunities. I also didn't say that Joe is off the table, I said I have my doubts if OKC would do it.

Your silly whataboutism, would be like me saying that Dieng is off the table for Reid, and to label an offer of one of the best shooters in the league for your less good, but still very good shooter as insulting and laughable its in itself insulting and laughable.

[Wolveswin]

Wallace would not be on the table from OKC. As a rookie he played elite defense all year long, including on Kyrie in the playoffs. TS% was 62, and ass/to ratio was 3. Very matured decision maker for his age. It all depends on how much he is able to scale his role, especially given the depth of premier talent on the Thunder, but I think the franchise would be looking at him like a future Derrick White type player.

The guy they should ask for is Isaiah Joe. I have my doubts OKC would give him up either, on account of the shooting being more of a sure thing than Reid's.

You do realize Wolves fans could say the same sentences about Reid…yes? Just change the name, change the accolades, but to each their own. Reid did it so well he got recognized by the entire league as being the best at it.

Not saying you have to sign on for a Reid | Wallace trade (because trades and value have so many variables) but acting like your guys is “all that” well, we can do that too with our guy. Actually every team can do that with ‘our guy’.

Then to end your lamenting with Isaiah Joe is off the table for Reid is insulting - laughable really. Would we get anywhere if I said Leonard Miller was off table for Wallace? No.

Except in multiple threads you have suggested Reid for Wallace and everyone has said OKC shouldn't do it, including neutrals. Isaiah Joe on the other hand fulfills a very similar role (Bench shooting option). Reid does it in a more scarce position, and Joe does it at a slightly higher level. I also didn't say that Joe is off the table, I said I have my doubts if OKC would do it.

Your silly whataboutism, would be like me saying that Dieng is off the table for Reid, and to label an offer of one of the best shooters in the league for your less good, but still very good shooter as insulting and laughable its in itself insulting and laughable.

And some said Wallace for Reid is interesting? Why? Because the trade hurts a little for both teams. Which means we are close to fair - and since the wrinkle of Western foes, not sure Wolves do it without an overpay like Wallace in the trade. If Presti requires same thing, then moving on is all we can do.

But you do realize Connolly would be fired trading 6th man of year Reid for Joe.