New York/Detroit

[A_dub06]

Just on principle alone, a team in DET’s position should never jettison a top 5 pick for a pile of stuff. Cade’s about to extend…this is not their summer to kick it down the road….they need to come out with AT LEAST one more foundational piece…maybe two or even three

It's easy to say that but take out the number 5 and put the names of the actual players that may be available at this slot and tell me that you wouldn't trade any of them for this package. Tell me the foundational pieces that you see at this slot when added to this current Detroit team.

Normally at #5 I would be hoping to find a future all star player but in this draft even finding a possible long term starter would be a great success imo. Look at the names being listed in this thread as good picks at #5.

Reed Sheppard, a small scoring guard, in a league where size matters. You are Orlando fan. You know it hasn't been easy to find the right guard for your team.

Cody Williams, a skinny wing, that didn't show much at the college level and is given more attention because his brother has been successful in the NBA.

Stephon Castle, a guard that is solid in some areas but no elite skill with a shaky jump shot. Once again, you are an Orlando fan. You know the disadvantage of some of those traits. If I offered all this for Anthony Black would you say no?

You’re name dropping implying they won’t become anything pointing out weaknesses but the fact remains neither you, I or anyone actually knows what any of these players are going to become. Every player projected to be drafted in the lottery has a flaw, most of them a big one which is why the draft is considered weak but history also shows even in a bad draft there are good players to be found that are either better then they’ve shown, or develop and take the next step. The risk of missing out on that player is worth more to the worst team in the league than what your trade proposal is giving us.

Heck, if Langdon is seeing things with fresh eyes I don’t know how he could form the opinion that this trade makes sense and instead needs to build this up properly like it’s year one, which would also mean that the pick probably isn’t going to convey.

Fans in Detroit are freaking out that Cade could leave but realistically he is going to sign a big new contract, and as long as we start showing signs towards the end of it I think we’ll be fine. That route is much better than taking this crappy trade, or trying to get a player like BI in which will destroy our cap flexibility and almost guaranteed to become a bad contract, and then Cade leaves anyway.

[Skybox]

Just on principle alone, a team in DET’s position should never jettison a top 5 pick for a pile of stuff. Cade’s about to extend…this is not their summer to kick it down the road….they need to come out with AT LEAST one more foundational piece…maybe two or even three

It's easy to say that but take out the number 5 and put the names of the actual players that may be available at this slot and tell me that you wouldn't trade any of them for this package. Tell me the foundational pieces that you see at this slot when added to this current Detroit team.

Normally at #5 I would be hoping to find a future all star player but in this draft even finding a possible long term starter would be a great success imo. Look at the names being listed in this thread as good picks at #5.

Reed Sheppard, a small scoring guard, in a league where size matters. You are Orlando fan. You know it hasn't been easy to find the right guard for your team.

Cody Williams, a skinny wing, that didn't show much at the college level and is given more attention because his brother has been successful in the NBA.

Stephon Castle, a guard that is solid in some areas but no elite skill with a shaky jump shot. Once again, you are an Orlando fan. You know the disadvantage of some of those traits. If I offered all this for Anthony Black would you say no?

NONE of the pieces offered are remotely interesting to me vs the potential of #5 or AB

[JayTWill]

Just on principle alone, a team in DET’s position should never jettison a top 5 pick for a pile of stuff. Cade’s about to extend…this is not their summer to kick it down the road….they need to come out with AT LEAST one more foundational piece…maybe two or even three

It's easy to say that but take out the number 5 and put the names of the actual players that may be available at this slot and tell me that you wouldn't trade any of them for this package. Tell me the foundational pieces that you see at this slot when added to this current Detroit team.

Normally at #5 I would be hoping to find a future all star player but in this draft even finding a possible long term starter would be a great success imo. Look at the names being listed in this thread as good picks at #5.

Reed Sheppard, a small scoring guard, in a league where size matters. You are Orlando fan. You know it hasn't been easy to find the right guard for your team.

Cody Williams, a skinny wing, that didn't show much at the college level and is given more attention because his brother has been successful in the NBA.

Stephon Castle, a guard that is solid in some areas but no elite skill with a shaky jump shot. Once again, you are an Orlando fan. You know the disadvantage of some of those traits. If I offered all this for Anthony Black would you say no?

You’re name dropping implying they won’t become anything pointing out weaknesses but the fact remains neither you, I or anyone actually knows what any of these players are going to become. Every player projected to be drafted in the lottery has a flaw, most of them a big one which is why the draft is considered weak but history also shows even in a bad draft there are good players to be found that are either better then they’ve shown, or develop and take the next step. The risk of missing out on that player is worth more to the worst team in the league than what your trade proposal is giving us.

Heck, if Langdon is seeing things with fresh eyes I don’t know how he could form the opinion that this trade makes sense and instead needs to build this up properly like it’s year one, which would also mean that the pick probably isn’t going to convey.

Fans in Detroit are freaking out that Cade could leave but realistically he is going to sign a big new contract, and as long as we start showing signs towards the end of it I think we’ll be fine. That route is much better than taking this crappy trade, or trying to get a player like BI in which will destroy our cap flexibility and almost guaranteed to become a bad contract, and then Cade leaves anyway.

I understand that every player has their flaws but people continue to simply say "#5" as if that gives this pick a certain specified value without any evaluation of the players that may be available. It's like when my fellow Knicks' fans simply describe Randle as a 3 time all star, all pro player as if that means he has a certain value because of some awards. It's pretty lazy honestly.

[louc1970]

I don't see the cost savings for NYK at the center spot. Robinson at $15/Hartenstein at $10 this past year. To keep Hartenstein it may take $20M. Getting the backup center for $5 is going to be difficult if center has any ability.
I don't think it is a good move for Detroit unless they are convinced Robinson is better than anyone they can get at 5 (Clingan). And is that 5 going to be a world better than 24/25 (Missi/Carrington/Edey/Smith/Holmes)?

[louc1970]

Just on principle alone, a team in DET’s position should never jettison a top 5 pick for a pile of stuff. Cade’s about to extend…this is not their summer to kick it down the road….they need to come out with AT LEAST one more foundational piece…maybe two or even three

It's easy to say that but take out the number 5 and put the names of the actual players that may be available at this slot and tell me that you wouldn't trade any of them for this package. Tell me the foundational pieces that you see at this slot when added to this current Detroit team.

Normally at #5 I would be hoping to find a future all star player but in this draft even finding a possible long term starter would be a great success imo. Look at the names being listed in this thread as good picks at #5.

Reed Sheppard, a small scoring guard, in a league where size matters. You are Orlando fan. You know it hasn't been easy to find the right guard for your team.

Cody Williams, a skinny wing, that didn't show much at the college level and is given more attention because his brother has been successful in the NBA.

Stephon Castle, a guard that is solid in some areas but no elite skill with a shaky jump shot. Once again, you are an Orlando fan. You know the disadvantage of some of those traits. If I offered all this for Anthony Black would you say no?

You’re name dropping implying they won’t become anything pointing out weaknesses but the fact remains neither you, I or anyone actually knows what any of these players are going to become. Every player projected to be drafted in the lottery has a flaw, most of them a big one which is why the draft is considered weak but history also shows even in a bad draft there are good players to be found that are either better then they’ve shown, or develop and take the next step. The risk of missing out on that player is worth more to the worst team in the league than what your trade proposal is giving us.

Heck, if Langdon is seeing things with fresh eyes I don’t know how he could form the opinion that this trade makes sense and instead needs to build this up properly like it’s year one, which would also mean that the pick probably isn’t going to convey.

Fans in Detroit are freaking out that Cade could leave but realistically he is going to sign a big new contract, and as long as we start showing signs towards the end of it I think we’ll be fine. That route is much better than taking this crappy trade, or trying to get a player like BI in which will destroy our cap flexibility and almost guaranteed to become a bad contract, and then Cade leaves anyway.

I am not a fan of Sheppard's but he makes sense in Detroit. With Cunningham being a big PG, he and Sheppard can easily switch positions on defense.

[Kalamazoo317]

I think the upside of getting one of the wings at 5 (Matas, Salaun, Holland, Cody Williams) and their hitting is worth the gamble. I like Mitch, but his player type isn't hard to find and isn't an ideal fit for us. Nothing else in the proposed package really moves the needle.

[louc1970]

Fans in Detroit are freaking out that Cade could leave but realistically he is going to sign a big new contract, and as long as we start showing signs towards the end of it I think we’ll be fine. That route is much better than taking this crappy trade, or trying to get a player like BI in which will destroy our cap flexibility and almost guaranteed to become a bad contract, and then Cade leaves anyway.

I kind of agree and disagree with this.

First I would drop NYK out of the deal and focus on a trade with NOP only. NOP does not want to pay Ingram and they want to cut their costs so they can pay Murphy. Detroit needs another scorer to relieve pressure from Cunningham.

Detroit sends Stewart, Fournier, Sasser
NOP sends Ingram, #21

NOP gets a 4/5 to handle the interior, moves away from cost by cutting Fournier (and not having to pay Ingram), and gets a young PG. Stewart and Sasser together is better than anyone at 21.

Detroit gets that second scorer at the cost of a backup PG and Stewart (who can be replaced by Duren and the pick). Detroit can either let Ingram expire at the end of the year and have more cap room, move him for picks, or resign him if all goes better than planned.
Detroit simply needs to hold firm on not just signing Ingram so they do not lose him.

[JayTWill]

I don't see the cost savings for NYK at the center spot. Robinson at $15/Hartenstein at $10 this past year. To keep Hartenstein it may take $20M. Getting the backup center for $5 is going to be difficult if center has any ability.
I don't think it is a good move for Detroit unless they are convinced Robinson is better than anyone they can get at 5 (Clingan). And is that 5 going to be a world better than 24/25 (Missi/Carrington/Edey/Smith/Holmes)?

I believe the max New York could offer iHart is $16M. And i'm not just trying to replace Robinson's money, i'm trying to get a less injury prone option for a very physically demanding coach in Thibs while also trying to make some adjustments to the core of the team before it becomes more difficult after the Brunson extension next year.

[Whole Truth]

I kind of agree and disagree with this.

First I would drop NYK out of the deal and focus on a trade with NOP only. NOP does not want to pay Ingram and they want to cut their costs so they can pay Murphy. Detroit needs another scorer to relieve pressure from Cunningham.

Detroit sends Stewart, Fournier, Sasser
NOP sends Ingram, #21

NOP gets a 4/5 to handle the interior, moves away from cost by cutting Fournier (and not having to pay Ingram), and gets a young PG. Stewart and Sasser together is better than anyone at 21.

Detroit gets that second scorer at the cost of a backup PG and Stewart (who can be replaced by Duren and the pick). Detroit can either let Ingram expire at the end of the year and have more cap room, move him for picks, or resign him if all goes better than planned.
Detroit simply needs to hold firm on not just signing Ingram so they do not lose him.

Like Stewart, want no part of Fournier, not trading BI & the 21st pick for a backup 4/5

[Whole Truth]

Detroit fans the **** would you trade the 5th pick for Robinson +, when you can outright overpay for Claxton in free agency ?

[Kalamazoo317]

I kind of agree and disagree with this.

First I would drop NYK out of the deal and focus on a trade with NOP only. NOP does not want to pay Ingram and they want to cut their costs so they can pay Murphy. Detroit needs another scorer to relieve pressure from Cunningham.

Detroit sends Stewart, Fournier, Sasser
NOP sends Ingram, #21

NOP gets a 4/5 to handle the interior, moves away from cost by cutting Fournier (and not having to pay Ingram), and gets a young PG. Stewart and Sasser together is better than anyone at 21.

Detroit gets that second scorer at the cost of a backup PG and Stewart (who can be replaced by Duren and the pick). Detroit can either let Ingram expire at the end of the year and have more cap room, move him for picks, or resign him if all goes better than planned.
Detroit simply needs to hold firm on not just signing Ingram so they do not lose him.

Like Stewart, want no part of Fournier, not trading BI & the 21st pick for a backup 4/5

Fournier's on a team option, so he's irrelevant and could immediately come off the books. I like Stew and would prefer to keep him, but, yeah, the value's there. I'd probably trade Stew and Sasser for Ingram and #21. There's a risk with Ingram being an expiring, of course, and his injury history. I can see why NO would make the move for fit.

Also, I think Stew would start in the front court for NO alongside Zion.

[Whole Truth]

I kind of agree and disagree with this.

First I would drop NYK out of the deal and focus on a trade with NOP only. NOP does not want to pay Ingram and they want to cut their costs so they can pay Murphy. Detroit needs another scorer to relieve pressure from Cunningham.

Detroit sends Stewart, Fournier, Sasser
NOP sends Ingram, #21

NOP gets a 4/5 to handle the interior, moves away from cost by cutting Fournier (and not having to pay Ingram), and gets a young PG. Stewart and Sasser together is better than anyone at 21.

Detroit gets that second scorer at the cost of a backup PG and Stewart (who can be replaced by Duren and the pick). Detroit can either let Ingram expire at the end of the year and have more cap room, move him for picks, or resign him if all goes better than planned.
Detroit simply needs to hold firm on not just signing Ingram so they do not lose him.

Like Stewart, want no part of Fournier, not trading BI & the 21st pick for a backup 4/5

Fournier's on a team option, so he's irrelevant and could immediately come off the books. I like Stew and would prefer to keep him, but, yeah, the value's there. I'd probably trade Stew and Sasser for Ingram and #21. There's a risk with Ingram being an expiring, of course, and his injury history. I can see why NO would make the move for fit.

Also, I think Stew would start in the front court for NO alongside Zion.

I like Stewart more than Duren as a target but not to start.

Here's the thing with BI. Same reason teams are weary of his contract, same reason BI will look to want to extend his contract.

This trade is basically NO's #2 & lotto pick for Detroit's backup 5 & cap space.

[Whole Truth]

I'd do (Stewart, Fournier, TPE) for (CJ, #21)

[vege]

I'd do (Stewart, Fournier, TPE) for (CJ, #21)

Fournier is not under contract, and CJ is a terrible fit in Detroit AND Stewart hopefully have more value than #21 AND it should require compensation to turn most of CJ's contract into raw cap space. So this should be way off in value and fit imo.

You've been trying to get Claxton using the wrong team. Detroit is interested in Claxton, Weaver is no longer our GM, we should not help rival teams acquire players we're interested like we did with Brunson and Cam Johnson during Weaver's nightmare era.

[Whole Truth]

I'd do (Stewart, Fournier, TPE) for (CJ, #21)

Fournier is not under contract, and CJ is a terrible fit in Detroit AND Stewart hopefully have more value than #21 AND it should require compensation to turn most of CJ's contract into raw cap space. So this should be way off in value and fit imo.

You've been trying to get Claxton using the wrong team. Detroit is interested in Claxton, Weaver is no longer our GM, we should not help rival teams acquire players we're interested like we did with Brunson and Cam Johnson during Weaver's nightmare era.

I was told Fournier had a PO but it's not important. Forgive my ignorance of your teams situation, why do you think CJ is a bad fit ?

Hopefully, an elite floor spacer & creator has more value than cap space for team that will have trouble signing one to a losing situation.

If Detroit is interest in paying Claxton 25m to start, what's their intention with Duren. Demote him & potentially lose value on his potential tag or trade him ?.

[Whole Truth]

If I were Detroit I'd sign Jonas to 15m 2yrs, with TO.

[LaSheed]

I'd do (Stewart, Fournier, TPE) for (CJ, #21)

Fournier is not under contract, and CJ is a terrible fit in Detroit AND Stewart hopefully have more value than #21 AND it should require compensation to turn most of CJ's contract into raw cap space. So this should be way off in value and fit imo.

You've been trying to get Claxton using the wrong team. Detroit is interested in Claxton, Weaver is no longer our GM, we should not help rival teams acquire players we're interested like we did with Brunson and Cam Johnson during Weaver's nightmare era.

I was told Fournier had a PO but it's not important. Forgive my ignorance of your teams situation, why do you think CJ is a bad fit ?

Hopefully, an elite floor spacer & creator has more value than cap space for team that will have trouble signing one to a losing situation.

If Detroit is interest in paying Claxton 25m to start, what's their intention with Duren. Demote him & potentially lose value on his potential tag or trade him ?.

Fournier has a team option. So unless there is a deal already lined up and for some reason his deal is needed I'd say he's 99% getting it declined lol.

[vege]

I'd do (Stewart, Fournier, TPE) for (CJ, #21)

Fournier is not under contract, and CJ is a terrible fit in Detroit AND Stewart hopefully have more value than #21 AND it should require compensation to turn most of CJ's contract into raw cap space. So this should be way off in value and fit imo.

You've been trying to get Claxton using the wrong team. Detroit is interested in Claxton, Weaver is no longer our GM, we should not help rival teams acquire players we're interested like we did with Brunson and Cam Johnson during Weaver's nightmare era.

I was told Fournier had a PO but it's not important. Forgive my ignorance of your teams situation, why do you think CJ is a bad fit ?

Hopefully, an elite floor spacer & creator has more value than cap space for team that will have trouble signing one to a losing situation.

If Detroit is interest in paying Claxton 25m to start, what's their intention with Duren. Demote him & potentially lose value on his potential tag or trade him ?.

Because he plays 0 defense, and we're a terrible defensive team. Cade need guys capable of spacing the floor AND play defense around him.

I wouldn't mind Jonas as a backup, but he is also a bad defender and he is a non spacing big, so not the best fit in Detroit, but he is a decent enough player that I'd be ok on a short contract for a limited amount of money.

[jbk1234]

I have this as way, way too good for the Knicks. I have Sasser as a stretch, but doable if the new GM thinks he was a miss. Adding No. 5 is just bananas. Nothing the Pistons are getting here is worth that. McBride is the most valuable asset and the Pistons already have Grimes.

[vege]

Fournier is not under contract, and CJ is a terrible fit in Detroit AND Stewart hopefully have more value than #21 AND it should require compensation to turn most of CJ's contract into raw cap space. So this should be way off in value and fit imo.

You've been trying to get Claxton using the wrong team. Detroit is interested in Claxton, Weaver is no longer our GM, we should not help rival teams acquire players we're interested like we did with Brunson and Cam Johnson during Weaver's nightmare era.

I was told Fournier had a PO but it's not important. Forgive my ignorance of your teams situation, why do you think CJ is a bad fit ?

Hopefully, an elite floor spacer & creator has more value than cap space for team that will have trouble signing one to a losing situation.

If Detroit is interest in paying Claxton 25m to start, what's their intention with Duren. Demote him & potentially lose value on his potential tag or trade him ?.

Fournier has a team option. So unless there is a deal already lined up and for some reason his deal is needed I'd say he's 99% getting it declined lol.

Make it 100%, there is absolutely no situation where his contract would be needed, we have raw cap space, and Fournier is a minimum salary guy nowadays, if anyone want him, all they need to do is offer him the minimum.