Shams: Okoro for Ball

[ReggiesKnicks]

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If true (and the pick was a real 1st) this was almost as dumb as not taking the Pells trade down offer.

Of course, it was a real 1st. It was Pick #18. Washington took the same deal.

[Godaddycurse]

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Smitty agrees. Who is is paying Jerome? Sac?

Milwaukee?

[ReggiesKnicks]

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Smitty agrees. Who is is paying Jerome? Sac?

Milwaukee?

Dallas could get creative.

[K_chile22]

Shams also seems to think Jerome is gone

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[SA37]

I just don't get the fascination with Lonzo Ball. An atrocious shooter with a forgettable NBA career even when healthy.

[K_chile22]

I just don't get the fascination with Lonzo Ball. An atrocious shooter with a forgettable NBA career even when healthy.

38% on 7 attempts a game his last 4 seasons played, absolutely is a good shooter.

[ReggiesKnicks]

I just don't get the fascination with Lonzo Ball. An atrocious shooter with a forgettable NBA career even when healthy.

He is an exceptional defender and can shoot/pass offensively, all for below the MLE. He is a career 36% 3P shooter, and outside of his 2 bad shooting seasons to start his career, he is above 38%.

Atrocious Shooter couldn't be further from the truth here. I'm not sure spewing unchecked opinions is the best way to engage here.

[SA37]

I just don't get the fascination with Lonzo Ball. An atrocious shooter with a forgettable NBA career even when healthy.

He is an exceptional defender and can shoot/pass offensively, all for below the MLE. He is a career 36% 3P shooter, and outside of his 2 bad shooting seasons to start his career, he is above 38%.

Atrocious Shooter couldn't be further from the truth here. I'm not sure spewing unchecked opinions is the best way to engage here.

36 fg% 34 3pt% last year. Under 40 fg% for his career. Atrocious.

Cherry-picking stats doesn't make him the player you want him to be.

[ReggiesKnicks]

I just don't get the fascination with Lonzo Ball. An atrocious shooter with a forgettable NBA career even when healthy.

He is an exceptional defender and can shoot/pass offensively, all for below the MLE. He is a career 36% 3P shooter, and outside of his 2 bad shooting seasons to start his career, he is above 38%.

Atrocious Shooter couldn't be further from the truth here. I'm not sure spewing unchecked opinions is the best way to engage here.

36 fg% 34 3pt% last year. Under 40 fg% for his career. Atrocious.

Cherry-picking stats doesn't make him the player you want him to be.

You should use eFG%, I get the nostalgia of the 1990$, but it's time to evolve from the 1990s

[SA37]

He is an exceptional defender and can shoot/pass offensively, all for below the MLE. He is a career 36% 3P shooter, and outside of his 2 bad shooting seasons to start his career, he is above 38%.

Atrocious Shooter couldn't be further from the truth here. I'm not sure spewing unchecked opinions is the best way to engage here.

36 fg% 34 3pt% last year. Under 40 fg% for his career. Atrocious.

Cherry-picking stats doesn't make him the player you want him to be.

You should use eFG%, I get the nostalgia of the 1990$, but it's time to evolve from the 1990s

Again, cherry-picking stats doesn't make him the player you want him to be.

[cavsfanatic]

Bulls fans what is his status pysically? Can this guy ever be counted on for regular minutes?
Is his knee completely screwed up or what? I can't judge this trade without knowing where he stands healthwise.

[Scoot McGroot]

I think this is a trade the Cavs do regardless of what Jerome does.

I think it definitely means at least one of Jerome or Merrill are gone. Maybe both.

I think both is the most likely outcome at this point.

I would lean that way. It’s very possible though the market could just leave one or both unsigned and return for a year or something to retain their bird rights going forward next offseason, though….

[the_process]

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Well, we know Reinsdorf ain’t doing that.

[Scoot McGroot]

36 fg% 34 3pt% last year. Under 40 fg% for his career. Atrocious.

Cherry-picking stats doesn't make him the player you want him to be.

You should use eFG%, I get the nostalgia of the 1990$, but it's time to evolve from the 1990s

Again, cherry-picking stats doesn't make him the player you want him to be.

When you point a finger at someone else, you’ve got 4 other fingers pointing right back at you!

But seriously, from the 19/20 season to today, Lonzo ball has shot 38% from 3 on almost 7 attempts per game. I would absolutely read that as if he’s the 38% shooter from 3 he’s been the last 4 seasons of play, rather than the 31.5% shooter from 3 he was in 17/18 and 18/19 combined. That doesn’t seem like cherry picking as much as recognizing when he grew as a shooter and what he’s consistently shown.

His big issue is health. He’s a pretty decently reliable shoot from 3, and he’s a guy that is a smart defender, while having a roughly 2.4-1 assist to turnover ratio.

[djFan71]

I feel like I saw this idea on this board somewhere. I like it for the Cavs. Even $1M this year helps, and getting off the future money is great. If Lonzo stays healthy he can help on court too. If not, use him as an expiring at the deadline due to the option.

[ReggiesKnicks]

You should use eFG%, I get the nostalgia of the 1990$, but it's time to evolve from the 1990s

Again, cherry-picking stats doesn't make him the player you want him to be.

When you point a finger at someone else, you’ve got 4 other fingers pointing right back at you!

But seriously, from the 19/20 season to today, Lonzo ball has shot 38% from 3 on almost 7 attempts per game. I would absolutely read that as if he’s the 38% shooter from 3 he’s been the last 4 seasons of play, rather than the 31.5% shooter from 3 he was in 17/18 and 18/19 combined. That doesn’t seem like cherry picking as much as recognizing when he grew as a shooter and what he’s consistently shown.

His big issue is health. He’s a pretty decently reliable shoot from 3, and he’s a guy that is a smart defender, while having a roughly 2.4-1 assist to turnover ratio.

You just cherry-picked a ton of stats. If you don't use FG%, you are cherry-picking

[mcfly1204]

Again, cherry-picking stats doesn't make him the player you want him to be.

When you point a finger at someone else, you’ve got 4 other fingers pointing right back at you!

But seriously, from the 19/20 season to today, Lonzo ball has shot 38% from 3 on almost 7 attempts per game. I would absolutely read that as if he’s the 38% shooter from 3 he’s been the last 4 seasons of play, rather than the 31.5% shooter from 3 he was in 17/18 and 18/19 combined. That doesn’t seem like cherry picking as much as recognizing when he grew as a shooter and what he’s consistently shown.

His big issue is health. He’s a pretty decently reliable shoot from 3, and he’s a guy that is a smart defender, while having a roughly 2.4-1 assist to turnover ratio.

You just cherry-picked a ton of stats. If you don't use FG%, you are cherry-picking

If I were to mention that Jrue Holiday has a career eFG% of 51.8, would he argue that Holiday is also an atrocious shooter?

[BK_2020]

Ball is a decent shooter from the three. His issue is he is atrocious at the rim, especially for a guy as tall as him. Combined with his lack of an in-between game, Lonzo despite being a basketball savant can't run an offense.

[Scoot McGroot]

Ball is a decent shooter from the three. His issue is he is atrocious at the rim, especially for a guy as tall as him. Combined with his lack of an in-between game, Lonzo despite being a basketball savant can't run an offense.

He’s a bench player. Bench players are bench players because they have flaws. I think Lonzo has the kind of flaws that Cleveland can value and play through. Where as we just saw that Okoro had the kind of flaws that made him tough to play in the playoffs.

[SA37]

When you point a finger at someone else, you’ve got 4 other fingers pointing right back at you!

But seriously, from the 19/20 season to today, Lonzo ball has shot 38% from 3 on almost 7 attempts per game. I would absolutely read that as if he’s the 38% shooter from 3 he’s been the last 4 seasons of play, rather than the 31.5% shooter from 3 he was in 17/18 and 18/19 combined. That doesn’t seem like cherry picking as much as recognizing when he grew as a shooter and what he’s consistently shown.

His big issue is health. He’s a pretty decently reliable shoot from 3, and he’s a guy that is a smart defender, while having a roughly 2.4-1 assist to turnover ratio.

You just cherry-picked a ton of stats. If you don't use FG%, you are cherry-picking

If I were to mention that Jrue Holiday has a career eFG% of 51.8, would he argue that Holiday is also an atrocious shooter?

Jrue Holiday has never, ever shot sub-40 FG%. Lonzo has managed it twice. Lonzo' career-high in FG% is still lower that any season Holiday has played.