What's the hold up on the Wiggins to Lakers trade?

[the_process]

No hold up. That trade isn't happening.

[gswhoops]

The Lakers tax.

Yeah that huge tax the Lakers always pay, like in that terrible Doncic trade.

Imagine acquiring LeBron, AD, and Luka in a five-year span and still believing that your team is being persecuted

[tcheco]

Heat should keep Wiggins honestly, Adding Powell will make a difference, Ware with another year under his belt and JJJ and Jovic hopefully can play bigger parts... Trading Wiggins for a pick would be so not Heat

[SkyHook]

I’m probably wrong one to respond to this. One of Monk’s biggest fans on RealGM and still really believe in Murray..

So this looks really bad to me for Sac. Like Sac is owed value from both Miami and LAL still..

But I would think Sac would take Wiggins 10 out of 10 over Rui+Dalton.

Yeh I wasn't sure if you guys like Keegan, I thought about Demare instead, but not sure the numbers worked, I also thought the Kings have been trying to ship Monk out, wasn't sure about it? I'm high on the Kings team then most and actually have them in the playoffs this year or at least "play in"where most have them out of it, lots of talent, but fit?

If Keegan is minimal draft pick value like this, I think Sacramento would get 20 offers from around the league immediately? I'd still LOVE him in Indy.

Seconded. If there was even a hint that he was available, I would expect the Jazz to be engaged.

[jayjaysee]

I’m probably wrong one to respond to this. One of Monk’s biggest fans on RealGM and still really believe in Murray..

So this looks really bad to me for Sac. Like Sac is owed value from both Miami and LAL still..

But I would think Sac would take Wiggins 10 out of 10 over Rui+Dalton.

Yeh I wasn't sure if you guys like Keegan, I thought about Demare instead, but not sure the numbers worked, I also thought the Kings have been trying to ship Monk out, wasn't sure about it? I'm high on the Kings team then most and actually have them in the playoffs this year or at least "play in"where most have them out of it, lots of talent, but fit?

I’m unfortunately a Dallas fan.. Just think the value is really off? Like Murray+Monk is worth more than Wiggins and Wiggins is worth a good amount more than Dalton/Rui. So Sac is just getting a really poor deal.

I don’t think Sac can make the playoffs until they balance their roster. They can likely finish 9th-10th off of their talent, but I just hope for their fans sake they find that trade to turn a guard into a forward to actually make the roster make sense. Whether that’s Monk, Demar, LaVine, or even Carter+Saric..

No reason for them to go into the season how the roster is, similar to Dallas.

[tcheco]

I’m probably wrong one to respond to this. One of Monk’s biggest fans on RealGM and still really believe in Murray..

So this looks really bad to me for Sac. Like Sac is owed value from both Miami and LAL still..

But I would think Sac would take Wiggins 10 out of 10 over Rui+Dalton.

Yeh I wasn't sure if you guys like Keegan, I thought about Demare instead, but not sure the numbers worked, I also thought the Kings have been trying to ship Monk out, wasn't sure about it? I'm high on the Kings team then most and actually have them in the playoffs this year or at least "play in"where most have them out of it, lots of talent, but fit?

I’m unfortunately a Dallas fan.. Just think the value is really off? Like Murray+Monk is worth more than Wiggins and Wiggins is worth a good amount more than Dalton/Rui. So Sac is just getting a really poor deal.

I don’t think Sac can make the playoffs until they balance their roster. They can likely finish 9th-10th off of their talent, but I just hope for their fans sake they find that trade to turn a guard into a forward to actually make the roster make sense. Whether that’s Monk, Demar, LaVine, or even Carter+Saric..

No reason for them to go into the season how the roster is, similar to Dallas.

Yeah, honestly, seems crazy for the Kings to go into the season with the roster as is... too many holes and some redundancy...
If they could land someone who actually fits for Monk + DD, and getting westbrook, would make much more sense). But hard to find a fit that is gettable

[gswhoops]

I’m probably wrong one to respond to this. One of Monk’s biggest fans on RealGM and still really believe in Murray..

So this looks really bad to me for Sac. Like Sac is owed value from both Miami and LAL still..

But I would think Sac would take Wiggins 10 out of 10 over Rui+Dalton.

Yeh I wasn't sure if you guys like Keegan, I thought about Demare instead, but not sure the numbers worked, I also thought the Kings have been trying to ship Monk out, wasn't sure about it? I'm high on the Kings team then most and actually have them in the playoffs this year or at least "play in"where most have them out of it, lots of talent, but fit?

I’m unfortunately a Dallas fan.. Just think the value is really off? Like Murray+Monk is worth more than Wiggins and Wiggins is worth a good amount more than Dalton/Rui. So Sac is just getting a really poor deal.

I don’t think Sac can make the playoffs until they balance their roster. They can likely finish 9th-10th off of their talent, but I just hope for their fans sake they find that trade to turn a guard into a forward to actually make the roster make sense. Whether that’s Monk, Demar, LaVine, or even Carter+Saric..

No reason for them to go into the season how the roster is, similar to Dallas.

If Reed Sheppard isn't the answer (yet, or at all), how far off is a DFS for Monk deal on 12/15?

[jayjaysee]

Yeh I wasn't sure if you guys like Keegan, I thought about Demare instead, but not sure the numbers worked, I also thought the Kings have been trying to ship Monk out, wasn't sure about it? I'm high on the Kings team then most and actually have them in the playoffs this year or at least "play in"where most have them out of it, lots of talent, but fit?

I’m unfortunately a Dallas fan.. Just think the value is really off? Like Murray+Monk is worth more than Wiggins and Wiggins is worth a good amount more than Dalton/Rui. So Sac is just getting a really poor deal.

I don’t think Sac can make the playoffs until they balance their roster. They can likely finish 9th-10th off of their talent, but I just hope for their fans sake they find that trade to turn a guard into a forward to actually make the roster make sense. Whether that’s Monk, Demar, LaVine, or even Carter+Saric..

No reason for them to go into the season how the roster is, similar to Dallas.

If Reed Sheppard isn't the answer (yet, or at all), how far off is a DFS for Monk deal on 12/15?

I was going to post

Eason for Carter and Sac’s 2026 first. But I was too afraid.

I think the only issue with DFS/Monk is salary related, not value. Maybe Sac owes some? Maybe I’m still trying too big of a fan of DFS?

Houston is right at first apron though

Would have to be like Monk for DFS/Capela, Houston would have enough room under the apron to sign a vet min or just involve one of Sac’s..

Which is still great for Sac if they haven’t done anything to address their roster. Capela and DFS would both help.

[BBallFreak]

It hasn't happened because Miami is looking for a specific return from LA and won't trade Wiggins to them without it. They want Rui, Knecht, and a first.

[Scoot McGroot]

It hasn't happened because Miami is looking for a specific return from LA and won't trade Wiggins to them without it. They want Rui, Knecht, and a first.

And for LA’s apron issues, it basically has to also include a Vincent, Kleber, or Vandy. Which then creates tax/apron issues for Miami. So it really has to include a 3rd team, and one that would be willing to eat that extra salary for just Knecht? So that Miami can still get the pick they probably want?

[BBallFreak]

It hasn't happened because Miami is looking for a specific return from LA and won't trade Wiggins to them without it. They want Rui, Knecht, and a first.

And for LA’s apron issues, it basically has to also include a Vincent, Kleber, or Vandy. Which then creates tax/apron issues for Miami. So it really has to include a 3rd team, and one that would be willing to eat that extra salary for just Knecht? So that Miami can still get the pick they probably want?

No, Miami wants Knecht as part of the deal. They're not looking to help LA get something they want just for the sake of it. We can include Keshad Johnson to ameliorate the salary issues, but we're not sacrificing value to help LA

[chrbal]

It hasn't happened because Miami is looking for a specific return from LA and won't trade Wiggins to them without it. They want Rui, Knecht, and a first.

And for LA’s apron issues, it basically has to also include a Vincent, Kleber, or Vandy. Which then creates tax/apron issues for Miami. So it really has to include a 3rd team, and one that would be willing to eat that extra salary for just Knecht? So that Miami can still get the pick they probably want?

So then does something like Kleber to the Jazz for Niang or Anderson solve it?

[Scoot McGroot]

It hasn't happened because Miami is looking for a specific return from LA and won't trade Wiggins to them without it. They want Rui, Knecht, and a first.

And for LA’s apron issues, it basically has to also include a Vincent, Kleber, or Vandy. Which then creates tax/apron issues for Miami. So it really has to include a 3rd team, and one that would be willing to eat that extra salary for just Knecht? So that Miami can still get the pick they probably want?

No, Miami wants Knecht as part of the deal. They're not looking to help LA get something they want just for the sake of it. We can include Keshad Johnson to ameliorate the salary issues, but we're not sacrificing value to help LA

Keith Smith has Spotrac's Miami page wildly incorrect, showing them even OVER their hard cap at the 1st apron. Looking at other sites (Yossi and Salary Swish), and Miami is closer to being able to just do the deal straight up taking on the extra salary.

So, if Miami want's to pay a bunch of tax (though Riley has talked of ducking the tax this year), they can absolutely take on the Vincent, Kleber, or Vandy salary. If they want to stay under the tax, as Riley has said, then they would need to offload a larger salary this year, which would likely take some payment. So yeah, if Miami wants Knecht, they can keep him, and just pay something else to clear the necessary salary.

But also, LA would still be paying the value necessary here. If Miami reroutes something like Knecht elsewhere to dump salary, then both LA is paying full price, AND Miami is getting value in return in both clearing tax room AND still getting a 1st. Not sure why it's viewed as LA "get(ting) something"...

[BBallFreak]

And for LA’s apron issues, it basically has to also include a Vincent, Kleber, or Vandy. Which then creates tax/apron issues for Miami. So it really has to include a 3rd team, and one that would be willing to eat that extra salary for just Knecht? So that Miami can still get the pick they probably want?

No, Miami wants Knecht as part of the deal. They're not looking to help LA get something they want just for the sake of it. We can include Keshad Johnson to ameliorate the salary issues, but we're not sacrificing value to help LA

Keith Smith has Spotrac's Miami page wildly incorrect, showing them even OVER their hard cap at the 1st apron. Looking at other sites (Yossi and Salary Swish), and Miami is closer to being able to just do the deal straight up taking on the extra salary.

So, if Miami want's to pay a bunch of tax (though Riley has talked of ducking the tax this year), they can absolutely take on the Vincent, Kleber, or Vandy salary. If they want to stay under the tax, as Riley has said, then they would need to offload a larger salary this year, which would likely take some payment. So yeah, if Miami wants Knecht, they can keep him, and just pay something else to clear the necessary salary.

But also, LA would still be paying the value necessary here. If Miami reroutes something like Knecht elsewhere to dump salary, then both LA is paying full price, AND Miami is getting value in return in both clearing tax room AND still getting a 1st. Not sure why it's viewed as LA "get(ting) something"...

Miami isn't going to be the one playing extra value to get their salary back to where it is now. Think about the lack of logic in your assessment. It's not our problem to offload Vincent or Kleber. That would be LA's concern.

[BBallFreak]

It hasn't happened because Miami is looking for a specific return from LA and won't trade Wiggins to them without it. They want Rui, Knecht, and a first.

And for LA’s apron issues, it basically has to also include a Vincent, Kleber, or Vandy. Which then creates tax/apron issues for Miami. So it really has to include a 3rd team, and one that would be willing to eat that extra salary for just Knecht? So that Miami can still get the pick they probably want?

So then does something like Kleber to the Jazz for Niang or Anderson solve it?

We can't take Anderson back. We just traded him

[Scoot McGroot]

No, Miami wants Knecht as part of the deal. They're not looking to help LA get something they want just for the sake of it. We can include Keshad Johnson to ameliorate the salary issues, but we're not sacrificing value to help LA

Keith Smith has Spotrac's Miami page wildly incorrect, showing them even OVER their hard cap at the 1st apron. Looking at other sites (Yossi and Salary Swish), and Miami is closer to being able to just do the deal straight up taking on the extra salary.

So, if Miami want's to pay a bunch of tax (though Riley has talked of ducking the tax this year), they can absolutely take on the Vincent, Kleber, or Vandy salary. If they want to stay under the tax, as Riley has said, then they would need to offload a larger salary this year, which would likely take some payment. So yeah, if Miami wants Knecht, they can keep him, and just pay something else to clear the necessary salary.

But also, LA would still be paying the value necessary here. If Miami reroutes something like Knecht elsewhere to dump salary, then both LA is paying full price, AND Miami is getting value in return in both clearing tax room AND still getting a 1st. Not sure why it's viewed as LA "get(ting) something"...

Miami isn't going to be the one playing extra value to get their salary back to where it is now. Think about the lack of logic in your assessment. It's not our problem to offload Vincent or Kleber. That would be LA's concern.

Like happens in deals like this, It would be the concern of all parties involved? THe cost to acquire a player is the cost. If the receiving team wants something else done, that needs to be figured out. Usually, the receiving team doesn’t get paid extra because of their “restrictions”.


It’s more likely the deal just doesn’t get done if Miami wants both full freight for Wiggins AND wants La to make additional payments to accommodate other Miami desires. And that’s fine. And it’s fine if Miami just says “it’s not possible unless you can find someone to take this salary”, and that kills the deal.

[BBallFreak]

Keith Smith has Spotrac's Miami page wildly incorrect, showing them even OVER their hard cap at the 1st apron. Looking at other sites (Yossi and Salary Swish), and Miami is closer to being able to just do the deal straight up taking on the extra salary.

So, if Miami want's to pay a bunch of tax (though Riley has talked of ducking the tax this year), they can absolutely take on the Vincent, Kleber, or Vandy salary. If they want to stay under the tax, as Riley has said, then they would need to offload a larger salary this year, which would likely take some payment. So yeah, if Miami wants Knecht, they can keep him, and just pay something else to clear the necessary salary.

But also, LA would still be paying the value necessary here. If Miami reroutes something like Knecht elsewhere to dump salary, then both LA is paying full price, AND Miami is getting value in return in both clearing tax room AND still getting a 1st. Not sure why it's viewed as LA "get(ting) something"...

Miami isn't going to be the one playing extra value to get their salary back to where it is now. Think about the lack of logic in your assessment. It's not our problem to offload Vincent or Kleber. That would be LA's concern.

Like happens in deals like this, It would be the concern of all parties involved? THe cost to acquire a player is the cost. If the receiving team wants something else done, that needs to be figured out. Usually, the receiving team doesn’t get paid extra because of their “restrictions”.


It’s more likely the deal just doesn’t get done if Miami wants both full freight for Wiggins AND wants La to make additional payments to accommodate other Miami desires. And that’s fine. And it’s fine if Miami just says “it’s not possible unless you can find someone to take this salary”, and that kills the deal.

This isn't an extra requirement. This is our requirement. Why would LA expect Miami to go into the tax to get worse? It's not logical. And the fix is so simple. Miami just includes two ends of the bench salaries like Johnson and Dru Smith. We take on a few extra dollars but I don't think it's enough to put us back in the tax.

[gswhoops]

Miami isn't going to be the one playing extra value to get their salary back to where it is now. Think about the lack of logic in your assessment. It's not our problem to offload Vincent or Kleber. That would be LA's concern.

Like happens in deals like this, It would be the concern of all parties involved? THe cost to acquire a player is the cost. If the receiving team wants something else done, that needs to be figured out. Usually, the receiving team doesn’t get paid extra because of their “restrictions”.


It’s more likely the deal just doesn’t get done if Miami wants both full freight for Wiggins AND wants La to make additional payments to accommodate other Miami desires. And that’s fine. And it’s fine if Miami just says “it’s not possible unless you can find someone to take this salary”, and that kills the deal.

This isn't an extra requirement. This is our requirement. Why would LA expect Miami to go into the tax to get worse? It's not logical. And the fix is so simple. Miami just includes two ends of the bench salaries like Johnson and Dru Smith. We take on a few extra dollars but I don't think it's enough to put us back in the tax.

I think that's more or less what Scoot is saying? Miami's price for Wiggins is a 1st plus not going into the tax. It's up to LA to decide whether, and how, to accomplish that.

[Scoot McGroot]

Like happens in deals like this, It would be the concern of all parties involved? THe cost to acquire a player is the cost. If the receiving team wants something else done, that needs to be figured out. Usually, the receiving team doesn’t get paid extra because of their “restrictions”.


It’s more likely the deal just doesn’t get done if Miami wants both full freight for Wiggins AND wants La to make additional payments to accommodate other Miami desires. And that’s fine. And it’s fine if Miami just says “it’s not possible unless you can find someone to take this salary”, and that kills the deal.

This isn't an extra requirement. This is our requirement. Why would LA expect Miami to go into the tax to get worse? It's not logical. And the fix is so simple. Miami just includes two ends of the bench salaries like Johnson and Dru Smith. We take on a few extra dollars but I don't think it's enough to put us back in the tax.

I think that's more or less what Scoot is saying? Miami's price for Wiggins is a 1st plus not going into the tax. It's up to LA to decide whether, and how, to accomplish that.

…and whether that cost is worth it!



It’s not like I’m slandering the Miami Heat or anything! They’re a great organization!

[BBallFreak]

Like happens in deals like this, It would be the concern of all parties involved? THe cost to acquire a player is the cost. If the receiving team wants something else done, that needs to be figured out. Usually, the receiving team doesn’t get paid extra because of their “restrictions”.


It’s more likely the deal just doesn’t get done if Miami wants both full freight for Wiggins AND wants La to make additional payments to accommodate other Miami desires. And that’s fine. And it’s fine if Miami just says “it’s not possible unless you can find someone to take this salary”, and that kills the deal.

This isn't an extra requirement. This is our requirement. Why would LA expect Miami to go into the tax to get worse? It's not logical. And the fix is so simple. Miami just includes two ends of the bench salaries like Johnson and Dru Smith. We take on a few extra dollars but I don't think it's enough to put us back in the tax.

I think that's more or less what Scoot is saying? Miami's price for Wiggins is a 1st plus not going into the tax. It's up to LA to decide whether, and how, to accomplish that.

Scoot's implication is that Miami would have to pay. Read the last line of his first paragraph.