how to solve Houston's problem (FVV)

[redslastlaugh]

I don't think the NBA works this way, where teams acquire superstars and the superstar relocates their family to a new city and then the team trades the superstar again a few months later...

so this just isn't a realistic thing that would happen, though it might make some sense on paper (without the picks)

De'Aaron Fox for KD and picks

[Apz]

Bet they could get reaves

[LarsV8]

I know it was his first time in the playoffs, but in the series with GSW, he tallied 5 assists (5 assists! over seven games) against 10 turnovers and was a -27 in the series

I think he has a good amount of upside if he can stay healthy but his health is a pretty big question mark. Why is he untouchable from a Rockets fan perspective?

Couldn't think of anything I care less about than how a bunch of kids performed in their first playoff series, with an incomplete roster. The fact that they were even in the playoffs speaks volumes about our youth. The roster balance was a mess, with basically no tinkering outside of signing FVV and Brooks in free agency. You would expect a young inexperienced team to perform poorly in the playoffs, specifically one that isn't finished.

Tari Eason is a HIGH impact player, specifically without the ball. A demon as a defensive playmaker. He s essentially what everyone thinks Dyson Daniels is. These are winning players, that every team in the NBA drool over, as they should. He is not going anywhere.

[redslastlaugh]

I know it was his first time in the playoffs, but in the series with GSW, he tallied 5 assists (5 assists! over seven games) against 10 turnovers and was a -27 in the series

I think he has a good amount of upside if he can stay healthy but his health is a pretty big question mark. Why is he untouchable from a Rockets fan perspective?

Couldn't think of anything I care less about than how a bunch of kids performed in their first playoff series, with an incomplete roster. The fact that they were even in the playoffs speaks volumes about our youth. The roster balance was a mess, with basically no tinkering outside of signing FVV and Brooks in free agency. You would expect a young inexperienced team to perform poorly in the playoffs, specifically one that isn't finished.

Tari Eason is a HIGH impact player, specifically without the ball. A demon as a defensive playmaker. He s essentially what everyone thinks Dyson Daniels is. These are winning players, that every team in the NBA drool over, as they should. He is not going anywhere.

Oh, the defensive metrics were certainly there but I wasn't watching the Rockets regular season games much and I would see Eason really high on like RAPTOR & wonder if the impact was real and transferable to playoff ball. I remember in the bubble season when Enes Kanter was one of the NBA's most productive players on a per minute basis, but the impact wasn't really durable. But anyway, hope you can get an extension done with Tari

It's a bummer about FVV's injury, but I'm sort of interested to see your younger ball handlers get those minutes. And honestly, JD Davison on the Celtics the last few years, was awesome in the G league but never really got a chance with the Boston club.

In his limited minutes, JD was not good on the NBA level but he was drafted when Udoka was coach. And then under Mazzulla, JD's strengths were not the facets of the game that the Celts coaching staff was prioritizing, so we don't really know if JD could be good.

I'm not counting on JDD becoming an NBA player, but also I can see how his talent might have been buried in Boston because the coaches wanted something else from that position (shoot 3's, don't turn it over, etc). I hope he gets some run in Oct/Nov to just settle the issue as to if Davison is an NBA player or not.

[nolian]

another idea

Sheppard x TJ McConnell

why for Indiana
they just signed MonteMorris for this season (whitout Haliburton), they are in a transition year (they lost Turner too)
Sheppard is 20, TJ McConnell is 33

for Houston
TJ is a veteran playmaker that bring ability, QI, rithm, he is perfect for a team that has a new go to guy and some young players

[Praetor]

another idea

Sheppard x TJ McConnell

why for Indiana
they just signed MonteMorris for this season (whitout Haliburton), they are in a transition year (they lost Turner too)
Sheppard is 20, TJ McConnell is 33

for Houston
TJ is a veteran playmaker that bring ability, QI, rithm, he is perfect for a team that has a new go to guy and some young players

If Houston is looking to win a title this year, that's the right team, but the wrong player. TJ's shooting would be a problem with the Rockets current personnel, and TJ does his best work when he's the focal point of the offense, which works great as the leader of the 2nd unit, but wouldn't be great on a team with KD and Sengun.

The player you want is Nembhard, who is 25, on a good cost controlled contract, and has shown he can initiate the offense, play exceptional D, and is a willing shooter that shoots better from 3 as he gets deeper in the playoffs. He could help them compete this year, and his prime lines up with the younger guys. Obviously the ask is going to be MUCH higher for Nembhard, but I don't think TJ makes you a title contender, while Nembhard does.

[gswhoops]

another idea

Sheppard x TJ McConnell

why for Indiana
they just signed MonteMorris for this season (whitout Haliburton), they are in a transition year (they lost Turner too)
Sheppard is 20, TJ McConnell is 33

for Houston
TJ is a veteran playmaker that bring ability, QI, rithm, he is perfect for a team that has a new go to guy and some young players

If Houston is looking to win a title this year, that's the right team, but the wrong player. TJ's shooting would be a problem with the Rockets current personnel, and TJ does his best work when he's the focal point of the offense, which works great as the leader of the 2nd unit, but wouldn't be great on a team with KD and Sengun.

The player you want is Nembhard, who is 25, on a good cost controlled contract, and has shown he can initiate the offense, play exceptional D, and is a willing shooter that shoots better from 3 as he gets deeper in the playoffs. He could help them compete this year, and his prime lines up with the younger guys. Obviously the ask is going to be MUCH higher for Nembhard, but I don't think TJ makes you a title contender, while Nembhard does.

I don't think Indy would trade Nembhard for anything Houston would realistically offer.

[BlazersBroncos]

another idea

Sheppard x TJ McConnell

why for Indiana
they just signed MonteMorris for this season (whitout Haliburton), they are in a transition year (they lost Turner too)
Sheppard is 20, TJ McConnell is 33

for Houston
TJ is a veteran playmaker that bring ability, QI, rithm, he is perfect for a team that has a new go to guy and some young players

If Houston is looking to win a title this year, that's the right team, but the wrong player. TJ's shooting would be a problem with the Rockets current personnel, and TJ does his best work when he's the focal point of the offense, which works great as the leader of the 2nd unit, but wouldn't be great on a team with KD and Sengun.

The player you want is Nembhard, who is 25, on a good cost controlled contract, and has shown he can initiate the offense, play exceptional D, and is a willing shooter that shoots better from 3 as he gets deeper in the playoffs. He could help them compete this year, and his prime lines up with the younger guys. Obviously the ask is going to be MUCH higher for Nembhard, but I don't think TJ makes you a title contender, while Nembhard does.

I don't think Indy would trade Nembhard for anything Houston would realistically offer.

Ya - I think it would take a Sheppard + Eason type offer to get IND on the phone for Andrew.

[Praetor]

If Houston is looking to win a title this year, that's the right team, but the wrong player. TJ's shooting would be a problem with the Rockets current personnel, and TJ does his best work when he's the focal point of the offense, which works great as the leader of the 2nd unit, but wouldn't be great on a team with KD and Sengun.

The player you want is Nembhard, who is 25, on a good cost controlled contract, and has shown he can initiate the offense, play exceptional D, and is a willing shooter that shoots better from 3 as he gets deeper in the playoffs. He could help them compete this year, and his prime lines up with the younger guys. Obviously the ask is going to be MUCH higher for Nembhard, but I don't think TJ makes you a title contender, while Nembhard does.

I don't think Indy would trade Nembhard for anything Houston would realistically offer.

Ya - I think it would take a Sheppard + Eason type offer to get IND on the phone for Andrew.

Maybe not Eason, as he's naturally a PF, and too good to back-up Pascal. I can't get the numbers to work, but Reed and Jabari might get it done, with the thought that the Pacers would try to get Jabari minutes as a small 5 next to Siakam. But yes, the high-lotto nature of those two guys would be a huge ask. The question is how important were those two guys last year to the team, and how close would the move put you to winning a title this year? As others have said, you don't trade for Durant to win next year or two years from now.

[redslastlaugh]

Honestly, there is no reasonable solving of Houston's problem until they've had 15 or so games to see how Reed Sheppard & Amen Thompson look as the primary ballhandler. Maybe they have no significant problem.

Also, Houston doesn't have many options tradewise given the aprons/hard capping, so they have to keep their powder try until they have the chance after December 15th -- when their recently signed players become trade eligible -- to fully explore every possible trade. No chance they do anything before that, like some of the ideas bandied about.

So I'm interested to see how they look in the preseason and early games up to Dec 15

[nolian]

If Houston is looking to win a title this year, that's the right team, but the wrong player. TJ's shooting would be a problem with the Rockets current personnel, and TJ does his best work when he's the focal point of the offense, which works great as the leader of the 2nd unit, but wouldn't be great on a team with KD and Sengun.

The player you want is Nembhard, who is 25, on a good cost controlled contract, and has shown he can initiate the offense, play exceptional D, and is a willing shooter that shoots better from 3 as he gets deeper in the playoffs. He could help them compete this year, and his prime lines up with the younger guys. Obviously the ask is going to be MUCH higher for Nembhard, but I don't think TJ makes you a title contender, while Nembhard does.

I don't think Indy would trade Nembhard for anything Houston would realistically offer.

Ya - I think it would take a Sheppard + Eason type offer to get IND on the phone for Andrew.

i think that if they have to choice one of the option we talked about, everyone of the Indiana Pacers would prefer to trade McConnell for Sheppard than Nembhard for Sheppard+Eason

i know that McConnell is important for them and is a public idol, but Nembhard is more important now ad for their future


the only-one Houston's player that can be in the trade talk for Nembhard is JabariSmith, and however i don't know if Indiana would trade Nembhard for him one to one
(because they have also Siakam in the same role)

[nolian]

Honestly, there is no reasonable solving of Houston's problem until they've had 15 or so games to see how Reed Sheppard & Amen Thompson look as the primary ballhandler. Maybe they have no significant problem.

Also, Houston doesn't have many options tradewise given the aprons/hard capping, so they have to keep their powder try until they have the chance after December 15th -- when their recently signed players become trade eligible -- to fully explore every possible trade. No chance they do anything before that, like some of the ideas bandied about.

So I'm interested to see how they look in the preseason and early games up to Dec 15

the problem is also that Houston can't sign anyone with veteran's minumum

is possible that they will talk about a secondary trade one-to-zero, just to have a new spot in the roster, and then serch for a playmaker in the list of unsigned free agent

[gswhoops]

I don't think Indy would trade Nembhard for anything Houston would realistically offer.

Ya - I think it would take a Sheppard + Eason type offer to get IND on the phone for Andrew.

i think that if they have to choice one of the option we talked about, everyone of the Indiana Pacers would prefer to trade McConnell for Sheppard than Nembhard for Sheppard+Eason

i know that McConnell is important for them and is a public idol, but Nembhard is more important now ad for their future


the only-one Houston's player that can be in the trade talk for Nembhard is JabariSmith, and however i don't know if Indiana would trade Nembhard for him one to one
(because they have also Siakam in the same role)

Of course they would. Houston would never offer it though.

[Praetor]

Ya - I think it would take a Sheppard + Eason type offer to get IND on the phone for Andrew.

i think that if they have to choice one of the option we talked about, everyone of the Indiana Pacers would prefer to trade McConnell for Sheppard than Nembhard for Sheppard+Eason

i know that McConnell is important for them and is a public idol, but Nembhard is more important now ad for their future


the only-one Houston's player that can be in the trade talk for Nembhard is JabariSmith, and however i don't know if Indiana would trade Nembhard for him one to one
(because they have also Siakam in the same role)

Of course they would. Houston would never offer it though.

As a Pacers fan, McConnell doesn't have that kind of value. I also don't think he really fit the bill as a starting PG, nor does he fit what Houston needs, which is a strong defender who can play with our without the ball and is a competent 3 point shooter.

Smith for Nembhard isn't enough. Picks would help, and it seems like the Rockets have some good ones, but I'm not sure Indiana wants picks at this point, unless it's part of a much bigger plan to deal Siakam and plan for 2-3 seasons from now.

[LarsV8]

Houston really likes their team and all of their players, so no on most of the deals involving Eason, Jabari, Reed, Adams, etc.

I think there is a 90% chance they just roll with Amen / Reed.

10% chance they consolidate in a star type player with picks.

[Scoot McGroot]

I doubt Indy would be willing to talk Nembhard, at all, unless Amen was available.

A much smaller deal for McConnell would be more likely in theory, but probably not this year?

[Dr Positivity]

Will the reunion happen

[Village Idiot]

Houston trades Eason, Adams and DFS
Houston receives Jrue

The Rockets get a perfect match for their needs at the cost of some depth

Portland trades Jrue
Portland receives Eason and Kuzma

The Blazers get another young defensive menace who fits the timeline better than Holiday. Kuzma gets cut.

Milwaukee trades Kuzma
Milwaukee receives Adams and DFS

The Bucks trade for depth but take on a bit more salary this season and more years.

[Scoot McGroot]

Houston trades Eason, Adams and DFS
Houston receives Jrue

The Rockets get a perfect match for their needs at the cost of some depth

Portland trades Jrue
Portland receives Eason and Kuzma

The Blazers get another young defensive menace who fits the timeline better than Holiday. Kuzma gets cut.

Milwaukee trades Kuzma
Milwaukee receives Adams and DFS

The Bucks trade for depth but take on a bit more salary this season and more years.

Houston isn’t sending out enough salary to stay under the hard cap at the first apron when backfilling their two emptied roster spots. And, I don’t know they want to wait until 12/15 when DFs can be traded?


Also, I doubt that Jrue’s value has jumped that much since he was just traded to Portland. Thats a pretty solid value jump, unless Adams/DFS play poorly right out the gate.

[giberish]

Houston trades Eason, Adams and DFS
Houston receives Jrue

The Rockets get a perfect match for their needs at the cost of some depth

Portland trades Jrue
Portland receives Eason and Kuzma

The Blazers get another young defensive menace who fits the timeline better than Holiday. Kuzma gets cut.

Milwaukee trades Kuzma
Milwaukee receives Adams and DFS

The Bucks trade for depth but take on a bit more salary this season and more years.

Houston isn’t sending out enough salary to stay under the hard cap at the first apron when backfilling their two emptied roster spots. And, I don’t know they want to wait until 12/15 when DFs can be traded?


Also, I doubt that Jrue’s value has jumped that much since he was just traded to Portland. Thats a pretty solid value jump, unless Adams/DFS play poorly right out the gate.

Eason was strongly off the table for KD. He's not going to be sent out for a FVV replacement.