Fair Giannis to SA Deal?

[One_and_Done]

If I had Fox, Wemby and other solid role players absolutely. Far too often ppl expect a window to last longer than it actually does. If you have a chance to create the best front court in history of league and lock in a top 3 team for the next three years you do it. Especially if all you have to do is send assets that won’t likely materialize to be better than the Greek.

Wemby hasn't even been to the playoffs yet. Yes, he looks like the future of the league, but going all in this early when you don't even need to is not smart poker. Even if you win, the process sucked and you got lucky. It's better to build things sustainability like OKC is doing right now. That's doubly the case when you have plenty of other assets to trade for Wemby, who if he is traded is going to be moved at some kind of discount due to the leverage his trade demand would create.

Hard to base your team building off of OKC and ignore the Fox trade?

The Spurs traded for Fox, but they didn't really give up much to get him either. It's not remotely comparable to trading away Dylan Harper. I think the Spurs would be quite keen to get Giannis... for the right price. Same way they approached the prospect of a KD trade. For both potential trades, I saw alot of Kings/Suns fans insist they would get more than they did, and in both instances I was on the money. I will be here too.

It is not smart business to trade a young potential star for a 31 year old star, not when you're on a young team certainly. The Spurs have plenty.of other assets to offer for Giannis, and if that's not enough they'll move on. Given Giannis demanding a trade will lower his trade value, and control his destination, the other assets they can offer should be plenty. Assuming Giannis wants to play for them of course.

[pipfan]

I'm not as high on Harper as the consensus. I think SA should take a gamble like this.

Sure, maybe Harper is the next Harden and a 10 time all star. I see a very good prospect, but not a HoF type. Milw could do A LOT worse as the centerpiece of a Giannis trade, but Harper/Bryant/Sochan is a good start to a rebuild

[JayMKE]

Bucks fans won't like it, because if Giannis does get moved it's because he's asking out and has a list. In that scenario his price drops. He will still fetch a haul, but you can forget about Harper. Even at full value, you just don't move that level of blue chip prospect for a soon to be 31 year old, and doubly so when you're a young team.

The Spurs offer would likely be something built around Castle and 3-4 first round picks. That's not insulting, because the Spurs have some pretty good picks to offer.

If Giannis wants out and he has a list then San Antonio and every other small market isn’t going to be on it

[One_and_Done]

Bucks fans won't like it, because if Giannis does get moved it's because he's asking out and has a list. In that scenario his price drops. He will still fetch a haul, but you can forget about Harper. Even at full value, you just don't move that level of blue chip prospect for a soon to be 31 year old, and doubly so when you're a young team.

The Spurs offer would likely be something built around Castle and 3-4 first round picks. That's not insulting, because the Spurs have some pretty good picks to offer.

If Giannis wants out and he has a list then San Antonio and every other small market isn’t going to be on it

I mean, if SA is one the list it's because it's a 7-8 team list. I doubt they're his top choice. His top choice is likely staying in Milwaukee. However, if he does demand a trade, SA has become sufficiently appealing that they now seem to be on some stars lists due to the combination of Wemby, warm weather, and no taxes. It's pretty remarkable, since San Antonio was on almost nobody's list for 50 years.

[redslastlaugh]

Bucks fans won't like it, because if Giannis does get moved it's because he's asking out and has a list. In that scenario his price drops. He will still fetch a haul, but you can forget about Harper. Even at full value, you just don't move that level of blue chip prospect for a soon to be 31 year old, and doubly so when you're a young team.

The Spurs offer would likely be something built around Castle and 3-4 first round picks. That's not insulting, because the Spurs have some pretty good picks to offer.

If Giannis wants out and he has a list then San Antonio and every other small market isn’t going to be on it

I mean, if SA is one the list it's because it's a 7-8 team list. I doubt they're his top choice. His top choice is likely staying in Milwaukee. However, if he does demand a trade, SA has become sufficiently appealing that they now seem to be on some stars lists due to the combination of Wemby, warm weather, and no taxes. It's pretty remarkable, since San Antonio was on almost nobody's list for 50 years.

I just completely disagree. Kevin Love was traded for Andrew Wiggins two months after the 2014 draft and Wiggins was a way more highly regarded prospect than Harper. Andrew Wiggins was the consensus #1 overall pick in 2014 draft

Giannis is a much much higher level player than Love and Harper is a signficantly lesser prospect two months after the draft than Wiggins was in 2014

Harper EASILY goes out in a Giannis trade. It's Harper and way, way more if SA wants to get this done

[One_and_Done]

If Giannis wants out and he has a list then San Antonio and every other small market isn’t going to be on it

I mean, if SA is one the list it's because it's a 7-8 team list. I doubt they're his top choice. His top choice is likely staying in Milwaukee. However, if he does demand a trade, SA has become sufficiently appealing that they now seem to be on some stars lists due to the combination of Wemby, warm weather, and no taxes. It's pretty remarkable, since San Antonio was on almost nobody's list for 50 years.

I just completely disagree. Kevin Love was traded for Andrew Wiggins two months after the 2014 draft and Wiggins was a way more highly regarded prospect than Harper. Andrew Wiggins was the consensus #1 overall pick in 2014 draft

Giannis is a much much higher level player than Love and Harper is a signficantly lesser prospect two months after the draft than Wiggins was in 2014

Harper EASILY goes out in a Giannis trade. It's Harper and way, way more if SA wants to get this done

Kevin Love was not Giannis, Wiggins was not Harper, and that situation was not this situation.

Wiggins was hyped alot in 2013. Then he played in college, and the hype around him died down. Embiid was the consensus #1 pick that year by a mile, until it was revealed he had serious foot issues that would cause him to miss his rookie year and put his career in jeopardy. It was much debated if Wiggins should even go 1st after that. Frankly, Harper's stock was alot higher. If Harper had been available in 2014, he'd have easily gone #1.

The second factor here is that Love and Giannis were in different situations. Aside from the fact Love was much younger, the bigger issue was that Lebron basically demanded the Cavs make that trade. Wemby isn't going to do that, and the Spurs aren't the sort of org that would cave if he did. In fact Wemby said he was glad the Spurs kept the young core together this offseason.

Thirdly, the Wiggins deal was horrible all around. It was a bad pick, and it netted an overrated player in Love. It's not a good argument to compare the proposed Giannis deal to a move that the Cavs wish they had back (so they could draft Embiid). The smart front offices at the time, like Golden State, wisely refused to move Klay for Love.

I asked for an example where a team did this and it worked out. This isn't an example, because Love didn't bring #1 pick level of value to the Cavs. They Cavs could have won the title with Battier or a prime Ariza in place of Love, and in fact would have been better with such a player. Since the #1 pick was worth much more than Battier or Ariza, the trade stunk. Your argument is conceptually similar to saying the Darko pick worked out because the Pistons won the title. No, it didn't.

[redslastlaugh]

Okay. I firmly disagree on almost every point you've made. I was following the draft in 2014 and I was following it this year, and I think Wiggins was a much more highly regarded prospect than Dylan Harper. But, to each his own, it's Saturday night, lol

I don't think Giannis is going to be traded to the Spurs, so it's kind of a moot point.

[One_and_Done]

Okay. I firmly disagree on almost every point you've made. I was following the draft in 2014 and I was following it this year, and I think Wiggins was a much more highly regarded prospect than Dylan Harper. But, to each his own, it's Saturday night, lol

I don't think Giannis is going to be traded to the Spurs, so it's kind of a moot point.

I followed the 2014 draft too. 6 months out I was like most pundits; very excited about these guys. A month from the draft, not so much. I still have Zach Lowe's draft podcast from 2014 on my podcast, and I can assure you the coverage was pretty unenthusiastic by that point. Everyone in the know was like 'man, this sucks now that Embiid is hurt'. You have to remember that early in the college season even Kyle Anderson was regarded as a lotto pick, and even a top 5 pick in some mocks.

[louc1970]

If I am Milwaukee I don’t care a bit about any list Giannis has. If he wants out, I am going after the best return the team can make. That is the only consideration I have as Milwaukee

[luciano-davidwesley]

Bucks fans won't like it, because if Giannis does get moved it's because he's asking out and has a list. In that scenario his price drops. He will still fetch a haul, but you can forget about Harper. Even at full value, you just don't move that level of blue chip prospect for a soon to be 31 year old, and doubly so when you're a young team.

The Spurs offer would likely be something built around Castle and 3-4 first round picks. That's not insulting, because the Spurs have some pretty good picks to offer.

SA gets easily outbid in this scenario.

[One_and_Done]

Bucks fans won't like it, because if Giannis does get moved it's because he's asking out and has a list. In that scenario his price drops. He will still fetch a haul, but you can forget about Harper. Even at full value, you just don't move that level of blue chip prospect for a soon to be 31 year old, and doubly so when you're a young team.

The Spurs offer would likely be something built around Castle and 3-4 first round picks. That's not insulting, because the Spurs have some pretty good picks to offer.

SA gets easily outbid in this scenario.

Then they'll be happy to walk away, just like they did with KD.

[Nate the Great]

Bucks fans won't like it, because if Giannis does get moved it's because he's asking out and has a list. In that scenario his price drops. He will still fetch a haul, but you can forget about Harper. Even at full value, you just don't move that level of blue chip prospect for a soon to be 31 year old, and doubly so when you're a young team.

The Spurs offer would likely be something built around Castle and 3-4 first round picks. That's not insulting, because the Spurs have some pretty good picks to offer.

If Giannis wants out and he has a list then San Antonio and every other small market isn’t going to be on it

I mean, if SA is one the list it's because it's a 7-8 team list. I doubt they're his top choice. His top choice is likely staying in Milwaukee. However, if he does demand a trade, SA has become sufficiently appealing that they now seem to be on some stars lists due to the combination of Wemby, warm weather, and no taxes. It's pretty remarkable, since San Antonio was on almost nobody's list for 50 years.

If 7-8 teams are allowed to bid on Giannis, one of them will offer a competitive package. Most likely, several of them will do so. Instead of saying “we’ll take him at a bargain,” just say “we aren’t willing to pay the price for him.”

[Wolveswin]

If I am Milwaukee I don’t care a bit about any list Giannis has. If he wants out, I am going after the best return the team can make. That is the only consideration I have as Milwaukee

You/Bucks may not care about a Giannis destination list, but the bidding teams sure do.

Let’s take Spurs for example. If Spurs are on Giannis destination list (doubt they are however), Harper might be in strong consideration as value included in Spurs offer to Bucks. If Spurs not on Giannis destination list, no way is Harper included.

Bucks want Giannis destination list to be long. And Bucks want Giannis destination list of where he would re-sign to include any small market team. If not, when traded (more so when traded next offseason) offers will reflect a flight risk Giannis - not a committed Giannis.

[One_and_Done]

If I am Milwaukee I don’t care a bit about any list Giannis has. If he wants out, I am going after the best return the team can make. That is the only consideration I have as Milwaukee

You/Bucks may not care about a Giannis destination list, but the bidding teams sure do.

Let’s take Spurs for example. If Spurs are on Giannis destination list (doubt they are however), Harper might be in strong consideration as value included in Spurs offer to Bucks. If Spurs not on Giannis destination list, no way is Harper included.

Bucks want Giannis destination list to be long. And Bucks want Giannis destination list of where he would re-sign to include any small market team. If not, when traded (more so when traded next offseason) offers will reflect a flight risk Giannis - not a committed Giannis.

Harper was never going to be part of any trade for Giannis. That isn't happening, for a number of reasons that have been explained.

[Wolveswin]

If I am Milwaukee I don’t care a bit about any list Giannis has. If he wants out, I am going after the best return the team can make. That is the only consideration I have as Milwaukee

You/Bucks may not care about a Giannis destination list, but the bidding teams sure do.

Let’s take Spurs for example. If Spurs are on Giannis destination list (doubt they are however), Harper might be in strong consideration as value included in Spurs offer to Bucks. If Spurs not on Giannis destination list, no way is Harper included.

Bucks want Giannis destination list to be long. And Bucks want Giannis destination list of where he would re-sign to include any small market team. If not, when traded (more so when traded next offseason) offers will reflect a flight risk Giannis - not a committed Giannis.

Harper was never going to be part of any trade for Giannis. That isn't happening, for a number of reasons that have been explained.

You have made your personal opinion well known on Harper in the trade.

[mlloyd10]

Comparing Brown to GA is laughable

Saying you wont trade away Harper for GA is laughable

I'm pretty sure everyone on here has pointed out how wrong you are on so many levels.

You put GA on the Spurs, they are right there with OKC for 1/2 seed.

[JRoy]

Comparing Brown to GA is laughable

Saying you wont trade away Harper for GA is laughable

I'm pretty sure everyone on here has pointed out how wrong you are on so many levels.

You put GA on the Spurs, they are right there with OKC for 1/2 seed.

In a couple years SAS could be right there without coughing up assets for GA.

[mlloyd10]

Comparing Brown to GA is laughable

Saying you wont trade away Harper for GA is laughable

I'm pretty sure everyone on here has pointed out how wrong you are on so many levels.

You put GA on the Spurs, they are right there with OKC for 1/2 seed.

In a couple years SAS could be right there without coughing up assets for GA.

"COULD"

[One_and_Done]

Comparing Brown to GA is laughable

Saying you wont trade away Harper for GA is laughable

I'm pretty sure everyone on here has pointed out how wrong you are on so many levels.

You put GA on the Spurs, they are right there with OKC for 1/2 seed.

In a couple years SAS could be right there without coughing up assets for GA.

"COULD"

Giannis doing that is a 'could' too.

[louc1970]

If I am Milwaukee I don’t care a bit about any list Giannis has. If he wants out, I am going after the best return the team can make. That is the only consideration I have as Milwaukee

You/Bucks may not care about a Giannis destination list, but the bidding teams sure do.

Let’s take Spurs for example. If Spurs are on Giannis destination list (doubt they are however), Harper might be in strong consideration as value included in Spurs offer to Bucks. If Spurs not on Giannis destination list, no way is Harper included.

Bucks want Giannis destination list to be long. And Bucks want Giannis destination list of where he would re-sign to include any small market team. If not, when traded (more so when traded next offseason) offers will reflect a flight risk Giannis - not a committed Giannis.

You know the GMs better than I do.
I set a price I am willing to pay and it rarely changes. As has been said, I am not shipping out great of value for a 31 year-old player. If you want Harper, you get less FRPs (bird in the hand approach).