$32M IQ Value

[gswhoops]

for each Brunson that becomes an all-star, there's how many others that can't handle taking over a team and improving? I do think Quickley can go back to be a good 3pt shooter, but I don't think there's a single executive in the NBA that expects him to become an All star. In a couple of years he could be worth the salary because of cap jumps, but it's undeniable that no one will value any kind of potencial of becoming better than what he already achieved, at least not when thinking about trading for him.

+1 to all of this. I think my issue with this thread is that it's basically assuming that IQ is going to have a massive breakout season (career highs in scoring volume and efficiency, serious All-Star consideration) and then asking us to pre-emptively value him at his post-breakout valuation.

It's not impossible for a guy in year 6 or later to have a significant breakout, but it's very, very rare and no one is going to value IQ assuming that's what's going to happen.

No one is saying that he's going to have an insane jump. But if he returns to the numbers he had when he first arrived in Toronto he'd be a 22 PPG scorer with a close to 40% from 3. That's worth the cap percentage he's taking up.

22 points and 6-7 assists on good numbers is definitely worth the contract. Over the course of the season you'll be proven wrong.

I dont understand how you characterize that as outlandish. Ingram is the best offensive wing he's ever played with. It should open up looks for him and the Raptors will probably move RJ for a POA defender that keeps IQ fresh for offense.

No one's really debating this, they're just pointing out that Quickley has never sustained those kind of numbers over an extended stretch so it's a bit ridiculous to just assume that's his baseline going forward and insist that everyone else value him accordingly.

[Thaddy]

+1 to all of this. I think my issue with this thread is that it's basically assuming that IQ is going to have a massive breakout season (career highs in scoring volume and efficiency, serious All-Star consideration) and then asking us to pre-emptively value him at his post-breakout valuation.

It's not impossible for a guy in year 6 or later to have a significant breakout, but it's very, very rare and no one is going to value IQ assuming that's what's going to happen.

No one is saying that he's going to have an insane jump. But if he returns to the numbers he had when he first arrived in Toronto he'd be a 22 PPG scorer with a close to 40% from 3. That's worth the cap percentage he's taking up.

22 points and 6-7 assists on good numbers is definitely worth the contract. Over the course of the season you'll be proven wrong.

I dont understand how you characterize that as outlandish. Ingram is the best offensive wing he's ever played with. It should open up looks for him and the Raptors will probably move RJ for a POA defender that keeps IQ fresh for offense.

No one's really debating this, they're just pointing out that Quickley has never sustained those kind of numbers over an extended stretch so it's a bit ridiculous to just assume that's his baseline going forward and insist that everyone else value him accordingly.

In the last 100 games he has played, he been pretty damn close to those numbers and on point if you look at per 36.

[gswhoops]

No one is saying that he's going to have an insane jump. But if he returns to the numbers he had when he first arrived in Toronto he'd be a 22 PPG scorer with a close to 40% from 3. That's worth the cap percentage he's taking up.

22 points and 6-7 assists on good numbers is definitely worth the contract. Over the course of the season you'll be proven wrong.

I dont understand how you characterize that as outlandish. Ingram is the best offensive wing he's ever played with. It should open up looks for him and the Raptors will probably move RJ for a POA defender that keeps IQ fresh for offense.

No one's really debating this, they're just pointing out that Quickley has never sustained those kind of numbers over an extended stretch so it's a bit ridiculous to just assume that's his baseline going forward and insist that everyone else value him accordingly.

In the last 100 games he has played, he been pretty damn close to those numbers and on point if you look at per 36.

22 points per game and 22 points per 36 minutes are two wildly different things, especially since Quickley hasn't averaged more than 30 minutes a game over the course of a season at any point in his career.

It's clear that you are convinced of what IQ's value is, and that evaluation is not shared by the rest of the board. The only thing to do now is let the games play out and see what happens.

[Thaddy]

No one's really debating this, they're just pointing out that Quickley has never sustained those kind of numbers over an extended stretch so it's a bit ridiculous to just assume that's his baseline going forward and insist that everyone else value him accordingly.

In the last 100 games he has played, he been pretty damn close to those numbers and on point if you look at per 36.

22 points per game and 22 points per 36 minutes are two wildly different things, especially since Quickley hasn't averaged more than 30 minutes a game over the course of a season at any point in his career.

It's clear that you are convinced of what IQ's value is, and that evaluation is not shared by the rest of the board. The only thing to do now is let the games play out and see what happens.

Yeah because he was behind Brunson and Raps were tanking last season.

Be fair mate. I don't think he's worth 32M but I'd say he's worth 28M.

[jscott]

In the last 100 games he has played, he been pretty damn close to those numbers and on point if you look at per 36.

22 points per game and 22 points per 36 minutes are two wildly different things, especially since Quickley hasn't averaged more than 30 minutes a game over the course of a season at any point in his career.

It's clear that you are convinced of what IQ's value is, and that evaluation is not shared by the rest of the board. The only thing to do now is let the games play out and see what happens.

Yeah because he was behind Brunson and Raps were tanking last season.

Be fair mate. I don't think he's worth 32M but I'd say he's worth 28M.

I think you’ve still overvaluing him by 6-10m.

[wegotthabeet]

It’s going to be hard to move him. I don’t agree that the Raptors should use picks to move him. They are no position to be using picks to move off of anyone.

[tcheco]

:nonono:

22 points per game and 22 points per 36 minutes are two wildly different things, especially since Quickley hasn't averaged more than 30 minutes a game over the course of a season at any point in his career.

It's clear that you are convinced of what IQ's value is, and that evaluation is not shared by the rest of the board. The only thing to do now is let the games play out and see what happens.

Yeah because he was behind Brunson and Raps were tanking last season.

Be fair mate. I don't think he's worth 32M but I'd say he's worth 28M.

I think you’ve still overvaluing him by 6-10m.

Hard to argue that he is worth more than Giddey. Sure Giddey feels a bit underpaid for now, he has been able to replicate his play from the end of last season, even improving. IQ at 23M would be fair

[oldncreaky]

It’s going to be hard to move him. I don’t agree that the Raptors should use picks to move him. They are no position to be using picks to move off of anyone.

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[jscott]

:nonono:

Yeah because he was behind Brunson and Raps were tanking last season.

Be fair mate. I don't think he's worth 32M but I'd say he's worth 28M.

I think you’ve still overvaluing him by 6-10m.

Hard to argue that he is worth more than Giddey. Sure Giddey feels a bit underpaid for now, he has been able to replicate his play from the end of last season, even improving. IQ at 23M would be fair

But 23m is like 70% of what he’s getting paid. That’s a substantial overpay. He doesn’t have value.

[Thaddy]

:nonono:
I think you’ve still overvaluing him by 6-10m.

Hard to argue that he is worth more than Giddey. Sure Giddey feels a bit underpaid for now, he has been able to replicate his play from the end of last season, even improving. IQ at 23M would be fair

But 23m is like 70% of what he’s getting paid. That’s a substantial overpay. He doesn’t have value.

He's better than Giddy. If you want to go by 4 game stretches IQ has been a monster too lol. Shooting is the most important skill in the NBA and Giddey is weak there and likely will always be. Maybe he'll be decent at catch and shoots but movement shooting is required from a guard. If you aren't getting movement shooting from your guards, then good luck finding it from a forward or a big.

[Texas Chuck]

Next time, OP just be honest, tell me why the player on my team is awesome and worth a lot in trade. Then those of us who hate vanity threads will just ignore it and everyone who agrees with you can agree, and you will have gotten what you wanted.

Otherwise asking everyone else to share your most optimistic projections while telling us why clearly more effective players aren't feels honestly quite pointless.

[jayjaysee]

Give me Giddey for 7.5 mil less a year. Probably every single time.

Giddey’s last 30~ games are really good and the team is actually winning..

[tcheco]

Hard to argue that he is worth more than Giddey. Sure Giddey feels a bit underpaid for now, he has been able to replicate his play from the end of last season, even improving. IQ at 23M would be fair

But 23m is like 70% of what he’s getting paid. That’s a substantial overpay. He doesn’t have value.

He's better than Giddy. If you want to go by 4 game stretches IQ has been a monster too lol. Shooting is the most important skill in the NBA and Giddey is weak there and likely will always be. Maybe he'll be decent at catch and shoots but movement shooting is required from a guard. If you aren't getting movement shooting from your guards, then good luck finding it from a forward or a big.

Giddey has way more recent sequence of games that can be used as evidence that he has been improving compared to IQ. He is also 24, 2 years younger than IQ, but IQ can improve still and Giddey cant improve his shooting?

[Mavrelous]

This is a sub-MLE player who had no business being traded for OG or being paid even half.of this, just a colossal blunder by Massai and probabely the driver behind his dismissal.