Teams Interested in Current Kings

[Bac2Basics]

Pacers love Brad Miller.
I believe I remember him saying in an interview that win his contract ran out, he'd sign back in Indy for the minimum to finish his career. Don't remember where I read that, or if it was true, but it makes sense since he is from Indy.

So would Indy be interested in trading for him before that?

If so, what would they offer?

[Rugged Ron Ron]

Calderon is worth Artest and '08 1st (top-10 protected)? Get the f*ck outta here. I value Calderon probably as high as TOR fans. At the very least Artest is worth Calderon/fillers. No way Sac sending out a '08 1st pick.

[yunggunz]

Calderon is worth Artest and '08 1st (top-10 protected)? Get the f*ck outta here. I value Calderon probably as high as TOR fans. At the very least Artest is worth Calderon/fillers. No way Sac sending out a '08 1st pick.

Calderon and filler for Artest/Udrih

[xxSnEaKyPxx]

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So would Indy be interested in trading for him before that?

If so, what would they offer?

I doubt a trade could be worked out between the two. They only way it would be possible is if Sac would take back Murphy's contract with other players. The Pacers wouldn't have Miller, O'Neal, and Murphy. Thats too much money at one position. So Murphy would have to be included for it to happen. The only way to make it appealing to Sac is to throw in a young player like Diogu. Salaries would work for Murphy/Diogu for Miller. But as a Pacer fan I wouldn't want to do it. I love Miller probably more than anyone, I am a huge fan of his and like to tune into Kings games just to see how he is doing. But I think Diogu can be a 20/10 player if given the time.

However you look at it, I think a trade to satisfy both teams would be just too hard to pull off. A third team would have to be involved and Murphy would have to be leaving Indy. I doubt it would happen, maybe we'll get him back when his contract runs out though.

[yunggunz]

New Jersey Nets

Incoming Players
Photo: Brad Miller
Brad Miller
Salary: $10,500,000 Years Remaining: 3
PTS: 14.1 REB: 8.7 AST: 3.3 PER: 16.59
Photo: Ron Artest
Ron Artest
Salary: $7,400,000 Years Remaining: 2
PTS: 19.1 REB: 6.1 AST: 4.3 PER: 17.25

Outgoing Players: Jason Collins, Sean Williams, Marcus Williams, Bostjan Nachbar, Jamaal Magloire
Sacramento Kings

Incoming Players
Photo: Jason Collins
Jason Collins
Salary: $6,100,000 Years Remaining: 2
PTS: 1.4 REB: 2.2 AST: 0.5 PER: 2.10
Photo: Sean Williams
Sean Williams
Salary: $1,416,600 Years Remaining: 2
PTS: 7.1 REB: 5.4 AST: 0.5 PER: 16.81
Photo: Marcus Williams
Marcus Williams
Salary: $1,180,200 Years Remaining: 2
PTS: 1.3 REB: 1.0 AST: 0.9 PER: 1.79
Photo: Bostjan Nachbar
Bostjan Nachbar
Salary: $2,500,000 Years Remaining: 1
PTS: 10.3 REB: 3.1 AST: 1.0 PER: 11.15
Photo: Jamaal Magloire
Jamaal Magloire
Salary: $4,000,000 Years Remaining: 1
PTS: 2.1 REB: 3.8 AST: 0.4 PER: 2.01

Outgoing Players: Brad Miller, Ron Artest

[xxSnEaKyPxx]

http://ebsports.net/bbs/archive/index.php?t-20300.html

There is a posted version of the article. I really don't see the Pacers trading for him now when he said he wants to sign in Indiana when his contract runs out, even if its minimum.

[TMACFORMVP]

Mike Bibby and especially Ron Artest would be PERFECT fits with Houston. Salmons is another guy, that could potentially fit, but I'm not sure if we have enough assets to acquire one of the three.

[Mr. E]

Mike Bibby and especially Ron Artest would be PERFECT fits with Houston. Salmons is another guy, that could potentially fit, but I'm not sure if we have enough assets to acquire one of the three.

I've got to disagree here. Bibby is not needed with the current play of Alston and the development of Brooks (whom the Kings would probably want); and I wouldn't give up anything of value to rent Ron Artest for half a season just to watch him leave for New York in the summer.

[Bac2Basics]

New Jersey Nets

Incoming Players
Photo: Brad Miller
Brad Miller
Salary: $10,500,000 Years Remaining: 3
PTS: 14.1 REB: 8.7 AST: 3.3 PER: 16.59
Photo: Ron Artest
Ron Artest
Salary: $7,400,000 Years Remaining: 2
PTS: 19.1 REB: 6.1 AST: 4.3 PER: 17.25

Outgoing Players: Jason Collins, Sean Williams, Marcus Williams, Bostjan Nachbar, Jamaal Magloire
Sacramento Kings

Incoming Players
Photo: Jason Collins
Jason Collins
Salary: $6,100,000 Years Remaining: 2
PTS: 1.4 REB: 2.2 AST: 0.5 PER: 2.10
Photo: Sean Williams
Sean Williams
Salary: $1,416,600 Years Remaining: 2
PTS: 7.1 REB: 5.4 AST: 0.5 PER: 16.81
Photo: Marcus Williams
Marcus Williams
Salary: $1,180,200 Years Remaining: 2
PTS: 1.3 REB: 1.0 AST: 0.9 PER: 1.79
Photo: Bostjan Nachbar
Bostjan Nachbar
Salary: $2,500,000 Years Remaining: 1
PTS: 10.3 REB: 3.1 AST: 1.0 PER: 11.15
Photo: Jamaal Magloire
Jamaal Magloire
Salary: $4,000,000 Years Remaining: 1
PTS: 2.1 REB: 3.8 AST: 0.4 PER: 2.01

Outgoing Players: Brad Miller, Ron Artest

Quit the lazy cut & paste posting

As far as your trade, that's pretty bad for Sacramento.

They move two of their more valuable trade chips for a couple of mid level prospects and filler

[Smooth32]

One of these 3 deals to get Bibby, I think would be good:

Cavs Get:
Mike Bibby
Kenny Thomas

Kings Get:
Eric Snow
Ira Newble
Shannon Brown
Drew Gooden
2nd round pick

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Cavs Get:
Channing Frye
Mike Bibby

Kings Get:
Drew Gooden
Jarret Jack
Shannon Brown
Ira Newble

Blazers Get:
Damon Jones
2 future 2nd round picks (CLE)

(Blazers probably don't get enough...)

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Cavs Get:
Mike Bibby
Kenny Thomas

Lakers Get:
Drew Gooden
Shannon Brown
Ira Newble

Kings Get:
Kwame Brown
Javaris Crittenton
Eric Snow

[Bac2Basics]

One of these 3 deals to get Bibby, I think would be good:

Cavs Get:
Mike Bibby
Kenny Thomas

Kings Get:
Eric Snow
Ira Newble
Shannon Brown
Drew Gooden
2nd round pick

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Cavs Get:
Channing Frye
Mike Bibby

Kings Get:
Drew Gooden
Jarret Jack
Shannon Brown
Ira Newble

Blazers Get:
Damon Jones
2 future 2nd round picks (CLE)

(Blazers probably don't get enough...)

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Cavs Get:
Mike Bibby
Kenny Thomas

Lakers Get:
Drew Gooden
Shannon Brown
Ira Newble

Kings Get:
Kwame Brown
Javaris Crittenton
Eric Snow

The Bibby to Cleveland thing has been done to death and I think we're pretty much in agreement that it's incredibly unlikely

[positivetension]

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You have GOT to be kidding me. In no way will Calderon even come close to the guys are are worth "more" than a #8-10 pick (guys like Paul, Deron Williams, etc.). And let's not forget he'll be 27 years old before the start of next season. He's not super young nor his he a star player. Expecting a high lottery for him is a complete and utter joke.

Let me add to that. You think he's worth a higher pick which means the chance of giving up on (in this years draft) PGs like Bayless & Rose and combo guards like Mayo. Who in their right mind would take a 27 year old Calderon (which is how old he'll be before any of those 3 see NBA court time) or those guys at 20 years old AND who are more talented? Hrmmm, that's a tough one.

14pts 10assts 50% shooting.

2007 draft:
#8 Wright
#9 Noah
#10 Hawes

2006 draft:
#8 Gay
#9 O'Bryant
#10 Sene

2005 draft:
#8 Frye
#9 Diogu
#10 Bynum

Out of the past three drafts, there are only 2 out of 9 possible players who I value higher than Jose. #8-10 picks are far from a sure shot and I'd rather keep the real deal than gamble on a possible Araujo. (#8 in 2004)

We are talking about the Sacramento pick, not the Minessota one. Rose is not in this equation. There is a good chance a lot of these prospects never become anything.

You brought up that Calderon is already 27. That's still pretty young, he's gotten better every year. A lot of these prospects will not even sniff good numbers till they are well into there 20's so 27 is not looking that bad.

Last but not least, the Raptors want to win, we don't need more young talent. The team needs more of a vetran presence.

[Smooth32]

The Bibby to Cleveland thing has been done to death and I think we're pretty much in agreement that it's incredibly unlikely

Disagree... I think it's far from that... While King fans want to continue to insist they'll get a buttload for Bibby, fact is they won't... AI netted a solid player, an expiring and picks... VC didn't net much... McGrady didn't net much... Etc...

Don't see the motive for the Kings to keep Bibby, when they could get possible pieces to rebuild or help to rebuild instead of keeping him and likely losing him to FA...

Bibby is a good player and will net some good players, expirings and picks in return but it's not going to be the world for him...

While the Cavs don't have the best assets, they do have some and I think it'll be just enough for Bibby... If Thomas is shipped off, it could be even likelier...

Plus, the Cavs are one of the few teams that have interest in Bibby... So.... Better to get something, than nothing...

[SactownHrtBrks8]

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Disagree... I think it's far from that... While King fans want to continue to insist they'll get a buttload for Bibby, fact is they won't... AI netted a solid player, an expiring and picks... VC didn't net much... McGrady didn't net much... Etc...

Don't see the motive for the Kings to keep Bibby, when they could get possible pieces to rebuild or help to rebuild instead of keeping him and likely losing him to FA...

Bibby is a good player and will net some good players, expirings and picks in return but it's not going to be the world for him...

While the Cavs don't have the best assets, they do have some and I think it'll be just enough for Bibby... If Thomas is shipped off, it could be even likelier...

Plus, the Cavs are one of the few teams that have interest in Bibby... So.... Better to get something, than nothing...

I would take Gooden, an expiring (Newble) and a first protected for Bibby.

Take the first out if you take K9 and give us expiring contracts not two year contracts expiring contracts. so swing Jones or whoever you want to throw and send it to another team for an expiring. Otherwise i'll pass, Kings can move him or they can keep him. I'm pretty excited to see him to coming back. He was a lot to prove and i'm a believer

[Bac2Basics]

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You have GOT to be kidding me. In no way will Calderon even come close to the guys are are worth "more" than a #8-10 pick (guys like Paul, Deron Williams, etc.). And let's not forget he'll be 27 years old before the start of next season. He's not super young nor his he a star player. Expecting a high lottery for him is a complete and utter joke.

Let me add to that. You think he's worth a higher pick which means the chance of giving up on (in this years draft) PGs like Bayless & Rose and combo guards like Mayo. Who in their right mind would take a 27 year old Calderon (which is how old he'll be before any of those 3 see NBA court time) or those guys at 20 years old AND who are more talented? Hrmmm, that's a tough one.

14pts 10assts 50% shooting.

2007 draft:
#8 Wright
#9 Noah
#10 Hawes

2006 draft:
#8 Gay
#9 O'Bryant
#10 Sene

2005 draft:
#8 Frye
#9 Diogu
#10 Bynum

Out of the past three drafts, there are only 2 out of 9 possible players who I value higher than Jose. #8-10 picks are far from a sure shot and I'd rather keep the real deal than gamble on a possible Araujo. (#8 in 2004)

We are talking about the Sacramento pick, not the Minessota one. Rose is not in this equation. There is a good chance a lot of these prospects never become anything.

You brought up that Calderon is already 27. That's still pretty young, he's gotten better every year. A lot of these prospects will not even sniff good numbers till they are well into there 20's so 27 is not looking that bad.

Last but not least, the Raptors want to win, we don't need more young talent. The team needs more of a vetran presence.

part of why I suggested Artest for Calderon,

It really makes sense for both teams.

[Bac2Basics]

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Disagree... I think it's far from that... While King fans want to continue to insist they'll get a buttload for Bibby, fact is they won't... AI netted a solid player, an expiring and picks... VC didn't net much... McGrady didn't net much... Etc...

Don't see the motive for the Kings to keep Bibby, when they could get possible pieces to rebuild or help to rebuild instead of keeping him and likely losing him to FA...

Bibby is a good player and will net some good players, expirings and picks in return but it's not going to be the world for him...

While the Cavs don't have the best assets, they do have some and I think it'll be just enough for Bibby... If Thomas is shipped off, it could be even likelier...

Plus, the Cavs are one of the few teams that have interest in Bibby... So.... Better to get something, than nothing...

I will say that your 3 team w/ Portland is pretty close, to a package that Sacramento might accept, but as you mention yourself, it's not realistic because Portland gets shorted.

[rpa]

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You're trying to evaluate a draft after half a season? Had the Kings done that with Kevin Martin he would have been considered a total bust. But now? Top 10 SG in the league and rising. That in itself is laughable.

However, notice that each of the classes (that it's even remotely fair to evaluate) has at least 1 player that is HEAD AND SHOULDERS more valuable than Calderon. Not trading him for the pick because there's a 2/3 chance the player COULD be worse is like winning the draft lottery and trading the pick for a mediocre player because there have been a number of busts at the #1 pick in the past (or #2 or #3 for that matter).

Further, in the 10 most recent drafts that most people would agree are 100% fair to evaluate (1995-2004) only 2 of them have guys at all 3 picks I wouldn't take over Calderon (1996 & 2000), 1 draft where I think it's close (1995 where Kurt Thomas went to Miami @ #10--I personally think Thomas has been an underrated player; always very solid--a big man that'll give you VERY GOOD on ball defense, 10-13 points per game, 8-10 boards, more than a block, and great percentages for his position--in no way a star but neither is Calderon), 3 drafts that have 1 player that is better than Calderon (1997: McGrady, 2001: Joe Johnson, 2003: TJ Ford), and then 3 drafts with some CRAZY talent at the 8-10 spots (1998: Dirk & Pierce; 1999: Andre Miller, Marion, Jason Terry; and 2002: Amare & Caron Butler).

So what's the point? You're trying to degrade the value of the pick by basically stating the obvious: it's a crapshoot, "we could get a crappy player". My response is simple: yeah, but you could also get a near franchise player (something that Calderon isn't even close to). In the majority of the drafts there was a player taken 8-10 that was better than Calderon. Only 1/5 of the drafts had no 1 taken in that spot that was better. And as for those 2 drafts: 1 of them just happened to be 1 of the worst drafts of all time (2000) and the other one had Kobe, Peja, Nash, & JO all picked between 13 & 17 (meaning there was still massive talent available 8-10 but GMs were stupid).

And I'll say it again: given the choice between any of those 3 young guys previously listed, right now I'll take all 3 of those guys (at around 20 years old each) ANYDAY over Calderon who's already 27 and is OK but not spectacular.

[rpa]

part of why I suggested Artest for Calderon,

It really makes sense for both teams.

I don't like Calderon for the Kings and I'll tell you why:

1) Even though I list Garcia in rebuilding scenarios, in the back of my mind I think "Wait a minute, Garcia is already 26 years old, is it really a good idea to put his name in as a key piece of a ~2 year rebuilding plan, that would put him at 28". The same idea (imo) goes for Calderon. Calderon is actually 3 months OLDER than Garcia is.

Further, he's a PG (which is probably the most important position on the floor). Why add a PG to your young, rebuilding core who would be the oldest one in it? That would seemingly put a clam on the years you could be contending. Why not look to acquire a younger PG (say a Rose or a Bayless) who would develop by the time they're 22 or 23 which would give them some 4-5 extra years of playing at a high level.

2) I still don't think Calderon is all that good. Assists are probably the most overrated stat in the game as they're so incredibly biased towards different offensive systems. Take a look at Brevin Knight's numbers from a couple years ago (when he was on the Bobcats). He put up more points AND assists than Calderon is doing now but no one ever thought Knight was doing a great job. I just don't see Calderon as the franchise type PG that the Kings NEED.

3) Due to Ford's injury he's probably going to cost a LOT in a trade. Notice that Raptors fans already think he's worth an early lottery pick.


At the end of the day I'd rather go out and draft a young PG (or combo guard) in this years draft and move Artest for help in another area. For instance: use him to create cap room (i.e. dump our longterm deals) and/or grab another draft pick (that the Kings could possibly use to move up in the draft). This is all for the simple reason that: the Kings are not going to become a great team overnight. They need a number of things and Calderon isn't going to fix the fact that the Kings have zero interior D and bad rebounding.

[Crimson King]

3) Due to Ford's injury he's probably going to cost a LOT in a trade. Notice that Raptors fans already think he's worth an early lottery pick.

No, they think he's worth Artest+ a #8-10 pick.

Anyways, I think Calderon would be a very good PG for the Kings. He's a pure PG and he'd be a nice fit next to Kevin Martin. And he'd be 27 years old next season, I don't see it as a problem, you have a PG for the next 5 years. Same with Garcia, you have a solid 6th man for the next 5 years. For a rebuild you don't need a team of 12 18 years old players.

[leo6287]

Orlando Trade Breakdown

Change in Team Outlook: -1.1 ppg, +2.3 rpg, and -2.7 apg.

Incoming Players

Francisco Garcia 6-7 SG / SF from Louisville
Brad Miller 7-0 C from Purdue
Mike Bibby 6-2 PG from Arizona

Outgoing Players

Keith Bogans 6-4 SG from Kentucky
9.8 ppg, 3.6 rpg, 1.1 apg in 29.9 minutes

Brian Cook 6-9 PF from Illinois
2.3 ppg, 1.7 rpg, 0.5 apg in 11.7 minutes

Keyon Dooling 6-3 PG from Missouri
8.3 ppg, 1.3 rpg, 1.8 apg in 18.8 minutes

Pat Garrity 6-9 PF from Notre Dame
2.3 ppg, 2.0 rpg, 0.6 apg in 12.5 minutes

Carlos Arroyo 6-2 PG from Florida International
6.3 ppg, 1.9 rpg, 3.7 apg in 18.8 minutes

Tony Battie 6-11 PF / C from Texas Tech
No games yet played in 2007/08

2008 Unprotected 1st Round pick
2010 Unprotected 1st Round Pick
2009 2nd Round Pick
2011 2nd Round Pick
Cash = 3 mill

A great rebuilding Packege or even set up Packege for the Furture

Sac thinks pretty hard about It but would do it in the End