Minnesota/Washington - Agent Zero finds a new home

deeney0 · Post #41 » by **deeney0** » Wed Jan 23, 2008 1:20 am

Jefferson isn't an awful defender. At worst, he's below average, and he's gotten visibly better as the season has progressed.

kookie_819 · Post #42 » by **kookie_819** » Wed Jan 23, 2008 1:22 am

deeney0 wrote:Jefferson isn't an awful defender. At worst, he's below average, and he's gotten visibly better as the season has progressed.

He's actually not bad at guarding PFs. He's very bad at guarding Centers, though. That's why I'm all for the T'Wolves to get DeAndre Jordan.

dunkonu21 · Post #43 » by **dunkonu21** » Wed Jan 23, 2008 1:25 am

Wow, pretty impressed with your maturity. Making fun of the Timberwolves is a pretty solid way to "shut me up". Al Jefferson is 23 years old, I'd say he is pretty far ahead of the curve. If Arenas is so good then why are the Wizards performing so well with out him. Antonio Daniels is running the Wiz better right now than Arenas ever did. Have fun paying him the max.

Have you ever put together a puzzle?...You don't just mash pieces together however you want to. Rebuilding a team to a championship level takes patience and a good core. Arenas is not a good piece for our core so you can keep him.

Donkey McDonkerton · Post #44 » by **Donkey McDonkerton** » Wed Jan 23, 2008 7:59 pm

dunkonu21 wrote:
Have you ever put together a puzzle?...You don't just mash pieces together however you want to. Rebuilding a team to a championship level takes patience and a good core. Arenas is not a good piece for our core so you can keep him.

You guys tried that with KG, who knows what will work and what won't. :rofl:

We will keep him and take our chances, you guys had one of the best PF's in the game in KG and couldnt win a championship...

yungal07 · Post #45 » by **yungal07** » Wed Jan 23, 2008 8:12 pm

Donkey McDonkerton wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

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You guys tried that with KG, who knows what will work and what won't.

We will keep him and take our chances, you guys had one of the best PF's in the game in KG and couldnt win a championship...

Right this guy is talking about mashing pieces together.

Is there any other team in the league aside from the Knicks that has tried that same thing to no avail more than the freakin' Wolves? McHale literally took every overpaid aging "star" he could to put next to KG, and nothing but failure.

deeney0 · Post #46 » by **deeney0** » Wed Jan 23, 2008 8:16 pm

yungal07 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
McHale literally took every overpaid aging "star" he could to put next to KG, and nothing but failure.

Which word don't you know the proper definition for, literally or every?

Post #47 » by **revprodeji** » Wed Jan 23, 2008 8:25 pm

yung. In my post, which you started the "delusional" comments I said that Arenas is a very good player, and I like him as a fan. But I would not want to build around him. Arenas is a bit of a ball hog, and a "chucker" with less than 6 assists as a pg in starter minutes. Now, with Arenas we are committing a max-sized cap space. We are stuck. Personally I do not want to do that.

With Foye he might be a pg, he might be a 2, he might be a 6th man. Point is he is on a rookie contract so we are still able to build around that and commit our long term future to other parts.

I am not saying Foye is a better player than Arenas, just that I do not want to build around Arenas.

Then, at the end of my post I said I would probably do the deal just on talent alone.

read the whole post before you start insulting.

Post #48 » by **revprodeji** » Wed Jan 23, 2008 8:27 pm

yungal07 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Right this guy is talking about mashing pieces together.

Is there any other team in the league aside from the Knicks that has tried that same thing to no avail more than the freakin' Wolves? McHale literally took every overpaid aging "star" he could to put next to KG, and nothing but failure.

Are you talking about when we put Sam and Spree next to Kg in a starting line up with Ervin "not magic" johnson and Trenton Hassel and then made it to the Western Conference championship, but had such extreme injuries Derrick Martin got minutes? (No Sam, No Troy at the very least)

Looks like that patch-work did pretty good.

yungal07 · Post #49 » by **yungal07** » Wed Jan 23, 2008 8:31 pm

revprodeji wrote:yung. In my post, which you started the "delusional" comments I said that Arenas is a very good player, and I like him as a fan. But I would not want to build around him. Arenas is a bit of a ball hog, and a "chucker" with less than 6 assists as a pg in starter minutes. Now, with Arenas we are committing a max-sized cap space. We are stuck. Personally I do not want to do that.

With Foye he might be a pg, he might be a 2, he might be a 6th man. Point is he is on a rookie contract so we are still able to build around that and commit our long term future to other parts.

I am not saying Foye is a better player than Arenas, just that I do not want to build around Arenas.

Then, at the end of my post I said I would probably do the deal just on talent alone.

read the whole post before you start insulting.

I apologize if I came off that way. I've just been on my aggressive "defend Arenas" grind which has spanned multiple boards. But I agree with you that the Wolves should keep their young players because Arenas probably wouldn't resign with the Wolves. I disagree that Arenas is a selfish player. I've watched him for the past 4 years and he has never been selfish to me. If anything, he's saved our coaches' ass on numerous occassions and has made average talents (Jeffries, Hughes, Stevenson) look much better than they are.

Just look at Mr. Stevenson's number with and without Arenas. The guy was calling himself Mr. Fifty last season, and now he can't even shoot over 40%. That was true last season too after Arenas went down.

yungal07 · Post #50 » by **yungal07** » Wed Jan 23, 2008 8:35 pm

revprodeji wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Are you talking about when we put Sam and Spree next to Kg in a starting line up with Ervin "not magic" johnson and Trenton Hassel and then made it to the Western Conference championship, but had such extreme injuries Derrick Martin got minutes? (No Sam, No Troy at the very least)

Looks like that patch-work did pretty good.

You call that a success? You guys had KG, a hall of fame calibre talent, in his prime for cryin' out loud. If you qualify that as a success, well then I understand why some of you guys still support that moron of a GM over there in Minny.

Post #51 » by **revprodeji** » Wed Jan 23, 2008 8:47 pm

You make a decent post followed by this one. That would be frustrating to read after a while.

You cited "bringing in every vet possible" we only tried that once. It was the Sam/Spree example I cited above. And that worked for 1 year until Sam/Spree became cancer.

Otherwise our Gm has not been that bad. The WOlves have had that much bad luck

KG's contract made it impossible to sign anyone worth while. Only the MLE could be used
The Joe Smith issue cost us multiple first rd draft picks
Sealy, a starting SG and dear friend of Kg's is killed by a drunk driver leaving Kg's birthday party
Googs left for phx for nothing.
Marbury got homesick and the stud PG we got in return (16 and 8 before the injury) had a career ending knee injury.

We had bad draft situations with Avery and Ebi to just name 2

Wally also suffered nagging foot and knee injuries.

This is not NBA2K, crap happen and we had alot of crap.

deeney0 · Post #52 » by **deeney0** » Wed Jan 23, 2008 8:48 pm

yungal07 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
If you qualify that as a success, well then I understand why some of you guys still support that moron of a GM over there in Minny.

I'm aware of only two names on the list of people that actually support McHale, and that reduces to one if shrink is in fact Glen Taylor.