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Post#41 » by grizzleGM » Wed Feb 20, 2008 5:38 pm

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Come on now be realistic. Do you not think the Hawks or Char would not match what MEM would offer those FA's? I seriously doubt that MEM is going to overpay BIG $$$ for a FA at this juncture! And neither the Hawks nor Char are going to let their KEY players go for nothing - you need to rethink your outlook and your arguments keep failing the test of logic.


No... you are missing my point from an earlier post. I think ATL and Charlotte would probably both match a max offer for those two players, but there is some underlying reason that they didn't get deals done last summer to lock up those players early. If they both match, then the Grizz have taken two big players(teams) in the FA market out of the game. I was not trying to insinuate that the Grizz could DEFINITELY sign one of these guys, but they have to try to make a move this off-season and not wait until the '09 off-season.

The only issue with logic on here is that people seem to think that Heisley is getting rid of all the big contracts in order to sell the team. He is still asking TOP DOLLAR for the team. No one is going to step up and pay $365M for a team that has one possible future star. The future has to look bright for someone to pay above market price, which is what that price is currently. I agree with him that he is tired of losing money each year with talent that is not going to be able to compete. The only option then is to tear the team down and start over with young talent. If the team can get a young star by outbidding another owner, then Heisley has shown numerous times he is willing to spend the money.
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Post#42 » by Krapinsky » Wed Feb 20, 2008 6:35 pm

It really makes no sense to Package Lowry and Miller in a deal. Separately, each should be able to net a first rounder.

Together, they should be worth a lottery pick. But no teams in lottery position are buying, so there's not really a good trade match there. If Indiana's buying and wants to give up their pick then I could see packaging them together, but no way is Indiana going to do that.
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Post#43 » by grizzleGM » Wed Feb 20, 2008 7:16 pm

Dr.Krapinsky wrote:It really makes no sense to Package Lowry and Miller in a deal. Separately, each should be able to net a first rounder.

Together, they should be worth a lottery pick. But no teams in lottery position are buying, so there's not really a good trade match there. If Indiana's buying and wants to give up their pick then I could see packaging them together, but no way is Indiana going to do that.


I agree, but it could be worth it to get rid of BC's contract.
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Post#44 » by IggyTheBEaST » Wed Feb 20, 2008 7:20 pm

smart deal. mem gets expirings and dumps cardinal, and cavs get mike miller. I like it
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Post#45 » by pardon_my_interruption » Wed Feb 20, 2008 7:44 pm

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HUH? Given everything MEM has done and the big time Financial instability and trying to sell the team, do you really think that MEM is going to go after a BIG cost FA? If you are you are dreaming IMO. Their muck better and likely strategy is to keep the salary at about 42 mil next yr, continue to stockpile talented youth and picks, and have a a good chip like a LaFrentz expiring next summer. Until they settle their Financial/ownership situation that is very likely the way it goes.

I like the idea of a Raef LaFrentz type deal because it would give Heisley another full year to sell the team and a potential owner would have time to come in and hire HIS people to get the job done for the Grizzlies for the future.

I also agree that spending money this offseason is highly unrealistic.
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Post#46 » by Heart-of-RnR » Wed Feb 20, 2008 7:45 pm

Mark (Cleveland, OH): Is there truth to this Miller, Lowry, Cardinal to Cavs for Newble, Marshall, Brown, Dwayne Jones, Simmons deal? This seems to be a big topic in Cleveland today. It seems the kicker to this deal would be Cleveland taking on the Brian Cardinal contract. Is he the deal breaker for other teams wanting Miller and Lowry alone?

Chad Ford: (1:26 PM ET ) It's tough to say. The Grizzlies have gotten a number of offers for Miller and Lowry. The Cavs are the only team I've heard of that might be willing to take back Cardinal's two years, $13 million as part of it. They don't have a lot of great assets to give Memphis back except long term cap relief and some late first round draft picks. Is that enough? Memphis keeps saying they want players, not cap relief for Miller and Lowry ... but not many GMs believe them based off of the Gasol trade. We'll see if Cleveland can get it done. If they can't, I'm not sure they'll be able to pull anything off of any real value ... maybe they can snag Delonte West from Seattle. Maybe.


Sounds like the Cavs really are the only team offering to take Cardinal.
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Post#47 » by pardon_my_interruption » Wed Feb 20, 2008 7:45 pm

Dr.Krapinsky wrote:It really makes no sense to Package Lowry and Miller in a deal. Separately, each should be able to net a first rounder.

Also agree with this.
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Post#48 » by HotSpurs21 » Wed Feb 20, 2008 7:59 pm

Dr.Krapinsky wrote:It really makes no sense to Package Lowry and Miller in a deal. Separately, each should be able to net a first rounder.

Together, they should be worth a lottery pick. But no teams in lottery position are buying, so there's not really a good trade match there. If Indiana's buying and wants to give up their pick then I could see packaging them together, but no way is Indiana going to do that.


maybe. But dealing them separately makes it impossible to squeeze Cardinal into the deal AND to get a 1st rounder. Seems like Memphis FO want to dump Cardinal's deal more than getting another 1st rounder.
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Post#49 » by waverider » Wed Feb 20, 2008 8:05 pm

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maybe. But dealing them separately makes it impossible to squeeze Cardinal into the deal AND to get a 1st rounder. Seems like Memphis FO want to dump Cardinal's deal more than getting another 1st rounder.


Thats why I like POR here but don't know if Pritchard wants Lowry and Miller. I think he'd offer Lafrentz and ? for Miller/Lowry/Cardinal. The key is what is FAIR to add to Raef for those three? I would imagine some combo of Webster/Frye/Jack/Picks (Mem's 2nd Por owns or POR 1st). To me it seems very workable and seems to fit both teams. The value thing is a bit hard to gauge because of Cardinals contract - for me at least.
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Post#50 » by LeQuitterNotMVP » Wed Feb 20, 2008 10:00 pm

I'd love this deal... Shooting, a PG, and a 4th big all in one deal!
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Post#51 » by RTM » Thu Feb 21, 2008 1:31 am

If the Cavs could do this, they need to. Desperately. Miller would be an ideal fit next to LeBron, and Lowry has shown flashes that really encourage me. Hell, even Cardinal's hard-nosed play and decent shooting ability could earn him minutes...
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Post#52 » by Smooth32 » Thu Feb 21, 2008 1:40 am

Folks, I have not watched a second of the first half as I pursue some hot trade rumors with the Cavs. They are being very active and are in talks over a blockbuster that has not been reported yet. It does not involve Mike Miller. More to come later.

http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/cavs/200...s-at-pacers-2/
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Post#53 » by grizzleGM » Thu Feb 21, 2008 2:10 am

Wallace announced that Mike Miller would not be involved in a deal that did not make 'basketball sense'. He stated that there are bigs and pg's in the top of this next draft, but only one outside scorer. So doesn't look like Miller will be traded tonight/tomorrow.

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