Random Rumors and Trade Board General Thoughts Thread

[Mr B]

Milsap would be a very good fit in Dallas however I doubt that is their only move. He’s not the “3rd star” they’re looking for.

Millsap for the MLE would be a great move for Dallas, but I would hope they move Wright or Powell with a pick to offset the loss of 2021 cap space this move would create.

I think it’s very likely that both are moved sometime between this off season and the trade deadline. Between now and next off season the Mavs roster could look very different.


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[getrichordie]

Okay, so am I wrong in thinking a team can use cap space + contracts to match incoming salary?

example:

incoming: player A ($30M)
outgoing: cap space - $22M + player B ($8M)

[Scoot McGroot]

Okay, so am I wrong in thinking a team can use cap space + contracts to match incoming salary?

example:

incoming: player A ($30M)
outgoing: cap space - $22M + player B ($8M)

No, you’re not wrong. Just has to equal enough space to fully absorb the new guy. Don’t get to also use 125% salary matching.

[shrink]

Seeing the rumor about the Bucks interest in Covington and Tucker, it worries me as a MIN fan that we might see something like

MIL GETS: Covington and Tucker
MIL GIVES: Bledsoe, DiVicenzo, DJ Wilson, MIL 1st

MIN GETS: Bledsoe, DJ Wilson
MIN GIVES: Culver, J Johnson

HOU GETS: Culver, DiVincenzo, MIL 1st, J Johnson
HOU GIVES: Covington and Tucker


If MIL wants to do this trade, Bledsoe seems a likely salary going out, and I don’t see a lot of places MIL could send him. While I acknowledge his on court fit in MIN, I don’t think Bledsoe works for MIN’s timeline, future salary structure, or trade flexibility. I worry that Rosas just wants to add talent. I’d rather find a way to take RoCo and Tucker to MIN than to walk down the Bledsoe path.

[Slim Tubby]

Seeing the rumor about the Bucks interest in Covington and Tucker, it worries me as a MIN fan that we might see something like

MIL GETS: Covington and Tucker
MIL GIVES: Bledsoe, DiVicenzo, DJ Wilson, MIL 1st

MIN GETS: Bledsoe, DJ Wilson
MIN GIVES: Culver, J Johnson

HOU GETS: Culver, DiVincenzo, MIL 1st, J Johnson
HOU GIVES: Covington and Tucker


If MIL wants to do this trade, Bledsoe seems a likely salary going out, and I don’t see a lot of places MIL could send him. While I acknowledge his on court fit in MIN, I don’t think Bledsoe works for MIN’s timeline, future salary structure, or trade flexibility. I worry that Rosas just wants to add talent. I’d rather find a way to take RoCo and Tucker to MIN than to walk down the Bledsoe path.

I agree 100%...I wouldn’t trade Culver straight up for Bledsoe for the reasons you mentioned. RoCo and Tucker would be great even though I’m not sure we’re in “win now” mode but they would cement a playoff spot this year IMO.

C Towns
F Tucker
F Covington
G Beasley
G Russell

That still leaves #1, #17, #33 and the MLE to fill in some holes:

1. Okongwu
17. Terry
33. Oturu
MLE Joe Harris?

C Towns/Oturu/Reid
F Tucker/Okongwu
F Covington/Layman
G Beasley/Okogie
G Russell/Terry

That team gives you a taste of “win now” while still building with plenty of youth. Not to mention we could trade down for Okongwu for additional assets.


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[MoneyTalks41890]

Seeing the rumor about the Bucks interest in Covington and Tucker, it worries me as a MIN fan that we might see something like

MIL GETS: Covington and Tucker
MIL GIVES: Bledsoe, DiVicenzo, DJ Wilson, MIL 1st

MIN GETS: Bledsoe, DJ Wilson
MIN GIVES: Culver, J Johnson

HOU GETS: Culver, DiVincenzo, MIL 1st, J Johnson
HOU GIVES: Covington and Tucker


If MIL wants to do this trade, Bledsoe seems a likely salary going out, and I don’t see a lot of places MIL could send him. While I acknowledge his on court fit in MIN, I don’t think Bledsoe works for MIN’s timeline, future salary structure, or trade flexibility. I worry that Rosas just wants to add talent. I’d rather find a way to take RoCo and Tucker to MIN than to walk down the Bledsoe path.

What makes you think Minny would add Culver there? Is that a part of the reporting? I still don’t hate Bledsoe in Minny (think they should explore other options) but I don’t see any reason to give Culver to get him.

[Richard4444]

Do Knicks need to give Houston anything back for Westbrook other than Randle? The salary relief is huge for their owner I assume

I always thought Knox as the "asset" was fair. Houston can claim they got a young player/former lottery pick and the Knicks don't actually lose anything meaningful because Knox has been awful.

I mean Randle, Payton, DSJ, Knox would probably be fine and it actually is a salary match trade. Meaning Knicks could sign an FA for up to 30m before making the trade for Westbrook. Making a play for Hayward, Bogdan, Wood could be on the cards too.

If it is a salary match trade, its better to make it after the moratorium and the signing of the others Knicks FA. Otherwise, Russel's bigger salary will eat part of the Knicks cap space.

[Richard4444]

I mean Randle, Payton, DSJ, Knox would probably be fine and it actually is a salary match trade. Meaning Knicks could sign an FA for up to 30m before making the trade for Westbrook. Making a play for Hayward, Bogdan, Wood could be on the cards too.

It puts them in a bit of a weird spot though. Are they all in then? Are they going after FAs to build a team now around Westbrook, Barrett and Mitchell? Or do they hold off since, I presume, they'd still have money for next season and now they'd have a respected star for other guys to pair with? And how would that sit with RW who probably isn't keen on another 1st round exit type of team?

And this goes for Houston too. Are they still trying to compete? Can they if they trade RW? If they can't, what does that mean for Harden? Does he want to play with that combination of retreads and disappointing lottery picks?

Westbrook, Dotson, RJ, Hayward, Mitch
Ntilikina, Trier, Ignas, Pick 8, Room

I think it can be a team that is a playoff team that needs a couple players the year after using MLE and BAE. Could be a contender in a season or two if RJ and Mitch explode

The spacing tends to be awful. WB, RJ, Mitch, and Frank are awful shooters.

Trier was waived by the Knciks. I doubt he returns.

[Richard4444]

Houston Rockets receive:
Golden State's #2 overall pick

Warriors receive:
PJ Tucker
Danuel House
Rights to pick swap for Houston's 2022 1st rd pick, top 4 protected
Rights to pick swap for Houston's 2023 1st rd pick, top 4 protected
GSW 2024 2nd rd pick back from Houston
Rights to pick swap for Houston's 2027 1st rd pick, top 4 protected

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It does not make any sense. Why do the Rockets would want a rookie in a win-now mode team to take advantage of Harden last years.

[zimpy27]

It puts them in a bit of a weird spot though. Are they all in then? Are they going after FAs to build a team now around Westbrook, Barrett and Mitchell? Or do they hold off since, I presume, they'd still have money for next season and now they'd have a respected star for other guys to pair with? And how would that sit with RW who probably isn't keen on another 1st round exit type of team?

And this goes for Houston too. Are they still trying to compete? Can they if they trade RW? If they can't, what does that mean for Harden? Does he want to play with that combination of retreads and disappointing lottery picks?

Westbrook, Dotson, RJ, Hayward, Mitch
Ntilikina, Trier, Ignas, Pick 8, Room

I think it can be a team that is a playoff team that needs a couple players the year after using MLE and BAE. Could be a contender in a season or two if RJ and Mitch explode

The spacing tends to be awful. WB, RJ, Mitch, and Frank are awful shooters.

Trier was waived by the Knciks. I doubt he returns.

Would Knicks consider trading Frank and RJ?

[Richard4444]

Westbrook, Dotson, RJ, Hayward, Mitch
Ntilikina, Trier, Ignas, Pick 8, Room

I think it can be a team that is a playoff team that needs a couple players the year after using MLE and BAE. Could be a contender in a season or two if RJ and Mitch explode

The spacing tends to be awful. WB, RJ, Mitch, and Frank are awful shooters.

Trier was waived by the Knciks. I doubt he returns.

Would Knicks consider trading Frank and RJ?

I guess they consider trading Frank.

I doubt they trade RJ.

[BlazersBroncos]

Houston Rockets receive:
Golden State's #2 overall pick

Warriors receive:
PJ Tucker
Danuel House
Rights to pick swap for Houston's 2022 1st rd pick, top 4 protected
Rights to pick swap for Houston's 2023 1st rd pick, top 4 protected
GSW 2024 2nd rd pick back from Houston
Rights to pick swap for Houston's 2027 1st rd pick, top 4 protected

If GSW is moving #2 to HOU, they need to see RoCo and Tucker coming back.

#2 for RoCo, Tucker and a pick swap right doesnt seem outlandish. May not look win-now for Houston, but add a big like Wiseman to that team and everything changes. He can bring alot early as a rim runner, rim protector and garbage man type on offense.

[zimpy27]

The spacing tends to be awful. WB, RJ, Mitch, and Frank are awful shooters.

Trier was waived by the Knciks. I doubt he returns.

Would Knicks consider trading Frank and RJ?

I guess they consider trading Frank.

I doubt they trade RJ.

Well if spacing is an issue with RJ and Frank then it might be worth trading them. If you can't add an all-NBA player with a positional need because of spacing issues then I think it's a problem.

[BlazersBroncos]

Am I crazy for thinking Wiggins + 2 for Love + 5 makes sense if Deni is avaliable at 5?

CLE gets the younger guy and can take Edwards / Ball / Wiseman. GSW gets a better systemic fit and can run Curry / Thompson / Deni / Green / Love.

[Soulyss]

Houston Rockets receive:
Golden State's #2 overall pick

Warriors receive:
PJ Tucker
Danuel House
Rights to pick swap for Houston's 2022 1st rd pick, top 4 protected
Rights to pick swap for Houston's 2023 1st rd pick, top 4 protected
GSW 2024 2nd rd pick back from Houston
Rights to pick swap for Houston's 2027 1st rd pick, top 4 protected

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So you have Golden State giving up the 2nd overall pick for a guy who got kicked out of the bubble, a disgruntled undersized PF, and the rights to swap picks so long as non of them are as good as the pick the GSW have right now.

uh... What?

[HartfordWhalers]

Am I crazy for thinking Wiggins + 2 for Love + 5 makes sense if Deni is avaliable at 5?

CLE gets the younger guy and can take Edwards / Ball / Wiseman. GSW gets a better systemic fit and can run Curry / Thompson / Deni / Green / Love.

Last I saw, Cleveland fans had Love worth expirings and a mid 1st...

[BlazersBroncos]

Last I saw, Cleveland fans had Love worth expirings and a md 1st...

Ya but thats crazy.

[Soulyss]

Okay, so am I wrong in thinking a team can use cap space + contracts to match incoming salary?

example:

incoming: player A ($30M)
outgoing: cap space - $22M + player B ($8M)

That looks legal to me. the team trading the 30M dollar player would then have a 22M TPE unless I am not understanding your question.

[HotelVitale]

MIL GETS: Covington and Tucker
MIL GIVES: Bledsoe, DiVicenzo, DJ Wilson, MIL 1st

MIN GETS: Bledsoe, DJ Wilson
MIN GIVES: Culver, J Johnson

HOU GETS: Culver, DiVincenzo, MIL 1st, J Johnson
HOU GIVES: Covington and Tucker
If MIL wants to do this trade, Bledsoe seems a likely salary going out, and I don’t see a lot of places MIL could send him. While I acknowledge his on court fit in MIN, I don’t think Bledsoe works for MIN’s timeline, future salary structure, or trade flexibility. I worry that Rosas just wants to add talent. I’d rather find a way to take RoCo and Tucker to MIN than to walk down the Bledsoe path.

I agree 100%...I wouldn’t trade Culver straight up for Bledsoe for the reasons you mentioned. RoCo and Tucker would be great even though I’m not sure we’re in “win now” mode but they would cement a playoff spot this year IMO.
C Towns
F Tucker
F Covington
G Beasley
G Russell
That still leaves #1, #17, #33 and the MLE to fill in some holes

Okay, but this trade has you getting Covington and Tucker for Culver and your detritus, which no one thinks is gonna work. The last trade was premised on the Bucks adding a bunch of value--a 1st rounder, DJ Wilson, and Divincenzo--to make that reasonable for HOU. You need to make up that value if you're now getting back the good vets.

[Richard4444]

Would Knicks consider trading Frank and RJ?

I guess they consider trading Frank.

I doubt they trade RJ.

Well if spacing is an issue with RJ and Frank then it might be worth trading them. If you can't add an all-NBA player with a positional need because of spacing issues then I think it's a problem.

90% of current NBA guards are good shooters from outside. We dont need one of the only bad shooters from the guard position of the entire NBA.

The Front office sees RJ as an all-star candidate. I doubt the other teams would share the same view and give all-star value to get him.