Thoughts in General, Rumors, etc 5.0

[Domejandro]

Kenrich Williams has to be at the top of Utah's realistic list, at this point.

And it would've made some sense to use Joe's contract to eat Favors' deal to get Williams, but Utah can't take back Favors this year since they traded him away in July. Don't know that OKC would sacrifice value they could get for Kenrich just to get off Favors' deal, though.

We traded a first to get off of Favors' salary, and while OKC is saying they won't move Kenrich for anything less than a first, I can't imagine we'd jump at taking on future salary like this.

My suggestion is Joe Ingles + 2024 First for Kenrich Williams.

Utah knocks off $11,036,364 off of their salary-cap (which saves a ton more in Luxury-Tax) and gets heavily cost-controlled player for this season and next ($2MM next year, unguaranteed).

Oklahoma City gets a First Round Draft Pick for Kenrich Williams by utilizing some of their $34MM in cap space.

[MoneyTalks41890]

And it would've made some sense to use Joe's contract to eat Favors' deal to get Williams, but Utah can't take back Favors this year since they traded him away in July. Don't know that OKC would sacrifice value they could get for Kenrich just to get off Favors' deal, though.

We traded a first to get off of Favors' salary, and while OKC is saying they won't move Kenrich for anything less than a first, I can't imagine we'd jump at taking on future salary like this.

My suggestion is Joe Ingles + 2024 First for Kenrich Williams.

Utah knocks off $11,036,364 off of their salary-cap (which saves a ton more in Luxury-Tax) and gets heavily cost-controlled player for this season and next ($2MM next year, unguaranteed).

Oklahoma City gets a First Round Draft Pick for Kenrich Williams by utilizing some of their $34MM in cap space.

I think it needs to get bigger for Utah to want to trade another 1st. They owe 2024 to OKC already. But perhaps we do something like this?

Currently, from the Favors deal, Utah owes OKC this pick:

2024 first round draft pick to Oklahoma City
Utah's 1st round pick to Oklahoma City protected for selections 1-10 in 2024 (conveyable if Utah conveys a 1st round pick to Memphis in 2022), 1-10 in 2025 (conveyable if Utah has conveyed a 1st round pick to Memphis by 2023) and 1-8 in 2026, extinguished if not conveyed

What if, in exchange for an Ingles/Kenrich swap, we revisit the 2024 prot. Pick becomes 1-8 protected in 2024, if not conveyed, 2 2nds. Then add 2026 1st, top 10 protected, if not conveyed, 2 2nds?

[babyjax13]

And it would've made some sense to use Joe's contract to eat Favors' deal to get Williams, but Utah can't take back Favors this year since they traded him away in July. Don't know that OKC would sacrifice value they could get for Kenrich just to get off Favors' deal, though.

We traded a first to get off of Favors' salary, and while OKC is saying they won't move Kenrich for anything less than a first, I can't imagine we'd jump at taking on future salary like this.

My suggestion is Joe Ingles + 2024 First for Kenrich Williams.

Utah knocks off $11,036,364 off of their salary-cap (which saves a ton more in Luxury-Tax) and gets heavily cost-controlled player for this season and next ($2MM next year, unguaranteed).

Oklahoma City gets a First Round Draft Pick for Kenrich Williams by utilizing some of their $34MM in cap space.

We don't have a 2024 first to trade. Ownership will have to decide if they are willing to take the tax hit for Joe, but my feeling is that they really don't care.

[Domejandro]

I thought that was the 2022 Draft pick they owed (forgot they owed one to Memphis); the idea is pretty much dead, then. Absolutely not worth trading a 2026 first, too far out.

[eminence]

Best guard that makes 9M or less that Utah could get for Ingles expiring (willing to add up to 2 2nds depending on player)?

Idea is combine that with sending Clarkson into the New Orleans TPE and get under the tax if the team can't find any upgrades.

Kemba would probably work, other ideas?

Maybe something where they send Ingles to OKC and BOS send Schroeder to Utah?

[NotACat]

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[Scoot McGroot]

Best guard that makes 9M or less that Utah could get for Ingles expiring (willing to add up to 2 2nds depending on player)?

Idea is combine that with sending Clarkson into the New Orleans TPE and get under the tax if the team can't find any upgrades.

Kemba would probably work, other ideas?

Maybe something where they send Ingles to OKC and BOS send Schroeder to Utah?

Jeremy Lamb is $10.5m, but he’s been playing well of late. Probably just a single 2nd.

Justin Holiday is around $6m, but might require 2 2nds.

[shangrila]

Best guard that makes 9M or less that Utah could get for Ingles expiring (willing to add up to 2 2nds depending on player)?

Idea is combine that with sending Clarkson into the New Orleans TPE and get under the tax if the team can't find any upgrades.

Kemba would probably work, other ideas?

Maybe something where they send Ingles to OKC and BOS send Schroeder to Utah?

Jeremy Lamb is $10.5m, but he’s been playing well of late. Probably just a single 2nd.

Justin Holiday is around $6m, but might require 2 2nds.

I'd be amazed if Holiday had any value, being unvaccinated.

This isn't a political statement, BTW, but it seems like too big of a headache for a player of his calibre. Kyrie? Sure, you put up with the hassle (and the crazy). Justin Holiday? Eh, I'm sure we can find someone with long arms that can hit a 3 elsewhere.

[zimpy27]

Best guard that makes 9M or less that Utah could get for Ingles expiring (willing to add up to 2 2nds depending on player)?

Idea is combine that with sending Clarkson into the New Orleans TPE and get under the tax if the team can't find any upgrades.

Kemba would probably work, other ideas?

Maybe something where they send Ingles to OKC and BOS send Schroeder to Utah?

POR get Ingles+Hart
Get under tax and save money in future seasons while getting a starting SF.

UTA get Graham+Temple
Get out of Ingles+Clarkson while bringing in a backup guard that can defend and a backup SG.

NOP get Clarkson+CJ
NOP get more shooting. They can start CJ as a PG and either BI or Clarkson at SG.

[shangrila]

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Seems the opposite of the direction they should be heading.

What are your thoughts as a fan? Think they should keep trying to build or tear it down, even if only partially?

[Scoot McGroot]

Best guard that makes 9M or less that Utah could get for Ingles expiring (willing to add up to 2 2nds depending on player)?

Idea is combine that with sending Clarkson into the New Orleans TPE and get under the tax if the team can't find any upgrades.

Kemba would probably work, other ideas?

Maybe something where they send Ingles to OKC and BOS send Schroeder to Utah?

Jeremy Lamb is $10.5m, but he’s been playing well of late. Probably just a single 2nd.

Justin Holiday is around $6m, but might require 2 2nds.

I'd be amazed if Holiday had any value, being unvaccinated.

This isn't a political statement, BTW, but it seems like too big of a headache for a player of his calibre. Kyrie? Sure, you put up with the hassle (and the crazy). Justin Holiday? Eh, I'm sure we can find someone with long arms that can hit a 3 elsewhere.

As a visiting player, it only affects him playing in Toronto. As a home player? Well, Brooklyn, NY, GSW, and possibly the two LA teams are issues. Otherwise, he’s not been an issue and doesn’t talk about being unvaccinated. He’s only known as such because he was positive already this season. He’s certainly not Kyrie preaching against it or anything.

Otherwise, he’s still a prototype 3 and D type wing, and he’s pretty good. I would imagine many teams would want him.

[shangrila]

Jeremy Lamb is $10.5m, but he’s been playing well of late. Probably just a single 2nd.

Justin Holiday is around $6m, but might require 2 2nds.

I'd be amazed if Holiday had any value, being unvaccinated.

This isn't a political statement, BTW, but it seems like too big of a headache for a player of his calibre. Kyrie? Sure, you put up with the hassle (and the crazy). Justin Holiday? Eh, I'm sure we can find someone with long arms that can hit a 3 elsewhere.

As a visiting player, it only affects him playing in Toronto. As a home player? Well, Brooklyn, NY, GSW, and possibly the two LA teams are issues. Otherwise, he’s not been an issue and doesn’t talk about being unvaccinated. He’s only known as such because he was positive already this season. He’s certainly not Kyrie preaching against it or anything.

Otherwise, he’s still a prototype 3 and D type wing, and he’s pretty good. I would imagine many teams would want him.

Maybe, but I think there's a stigma around it that's easier to overlook if you already know the person.

Take the Wolves, for example. I can't imagine Towns being happy about them bringing in someone who's unvaccinated even if he's not all soapboxy about it.

[DoItALL9]

Best guard that makes 9M or less that Utah could get for Ingles expiring (willing to add up to 2 2nds depending on player)?

Idea is combine that with sending Clarkson into the New Orleans TPE and get under the tax if the team can't find any upgrades.

Kemba would probably work, other ideas?

Maybe something where they send Ingles to OKC and BOS send Schroeder to Utah?

This doesn't fit what you asked but would Utah be interested in Ingles and Clarkson for Dinwiddie & Bertans?

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[NYG]

Best guard that makes 9M or less that Utah could get for Ingles expiring (willing to add up to 2 2nds depending on player)?

Idea is combine that with sending Clarkson into the New Orleans TPE and get under the tax if the team can't find any upgrades.

Kemba would probably work, other ideas?

Maybe something where they send Ingles to OKC and BOS send Schroeder to Utah?

I think Utah is more likely to use his expiring to take on more talented more salary.

Ingles and Azubuike for Malik Beasley and Josh Okogie?

[NotACat]

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Seems the opposite of the direction they should be heading.

What are your thoughts as a fan? Think they should keep trying to build or tear it down, even if only partially?

I'd love to move on from Grant for the right deal. A 3 team trade around the following framework would be my ideal:
Detroit out: Jerami Grant and Hami (or any other non-rookie scale ~$5M player)
Detroit in: Buddy Hield, PJ Washington

Sacramento out: Buddy Hield, Richaun Holmes
Sacramento in: Jerami Grant, Mason Plumlee

Charlotte out: PJ Washington, Mason Plumlee
Charlotte in: Richaun Holmes, Hamidou Diallo

[the_process]

It really feels to me that no one wants to trade anything of consequence. Tanking odds are too flat and so those borderline teams would rather just make the play-in.

That makes it a seller's market where the prices are sky high and no one wants to risk it.

I think going forward if the play-in tournament stays, the deadline is going to lose a lot of luster.

But maybe I eat a ton of crow in 9 days. Time will tell.

[DoItALL9]

Any chance Utah could get Nikola Mirotic to come back over midseason to replace Ingles?

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[Dadouv47]

It really feels to me that no one wants to trade anything of consequence. Tanking odds are too flat and so those borderline teams would rather just make the play-in.

That makes it a seller's market where the prices are sky high and no one wants to risk it.

I think going forward if the play-in tournament stays, the deadline is going to lose a lot of luster.

But maybe I eat a ton of crow in 9 days. Time will tell.

Not a lot of "meh"' teams are willing to go all in that fast. We had Chicago last year/this offseason but that was an exception. The gap between the best teams in the league and the rest of the pack is pretty big so it requires a lot to be able to try to contend (and you don't have a lot of good teams with future picks/young good players to trade for stud players).

Pelicans wanted to improve because of Zion but he's injured. Sacramento wants to improve but they are struggling so much that it's unlikely they reach the play in tournament. Atlanta may want to make some changes but not sure it's worth going full panic mode after reaching the ECF last season.

[Scoot McGroot]

Any chance Utah could get Nikola Mirotic to come back over midseason to replace Ingles?

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They’d have to get him to pay a pretty huge buyout overseas and get clearance from FIBA.

It’d be infinitely unlikely, midseason, I’d imagine.

[Ell Curry]

It really feels to me that no one wants to trade anything of consequence. Tanking odds are too flat and so those borderline teams would rather just make the play-in.

That makes it a seller's market where the prices are sky high and no one wants to risk it.

I think going forward if the play-in tournament stays, the deadline is going to lose a lot of luster.

But maybe I eat a ton of crow in 9 days. Time will tell.

I think if everyone feels that way it makes sense for some team in the 5-10 range in terms of title odds to zag and offer an extra pick for a Jerami Grant or Brunson level guy.