Kevin Love - Every team's best offer

[the_process]

Yeah, please rescind the Sixers offer. Can't see them chancing something that big only one year into a rebuild.

[LoyalKing]

I would personally trade Harden for Love.

I doubt Morey could do it though if only due to PR issues. But that seem to be the only trade Houston could realistically offer that make sense on paper and in terms of money.

Unless I'm mistaken, once the Rockets extend Parsons they can not trade him that soon, which makes a Parsons deal very very difficult since it would require probably both Lin and Asik involved as well.

That's not a crazy idea, but I wouldn't give up on HOU getting Love with non Harden and Dwight pieces

Say a trade like this:

Houston gets Kevin Love

Philadelphia gets Omer Asik, Jeremy Lin, Terrence Jones, 2016 HOU 1st

Minnesota gets Chandler Parsons, Thaddeus Young, Patrick Beverly, Donatas Motiejunas, 2014 HOU 1st, 2014 NY 2nd, 2015 NY 2nd, 2015 MIN 2nd

Obviously that may not look like a sexy trade to Wolves fans, but it depends what ownership wants. They may well see the team with 2 rounded starters in Parsons and Young and a 6th man in Beverly, as steps towards a 40 W+ team next year

That's atrocious for Minny.

Couple of things. OP loves to play with the expiring excuse to make low-ball offers, but guess what.

Chandler Parsons is an expiring and he won't even be restricted. Plus, he is about to get paid big time (10m+/year at least). Young is not a starting material PF in a serious contender .Beverly is nothing more than a backup PG in a minimum contract. Motiejunas has showed nothing so far, HOU's 1st is a late one and those 2nds add absolutely nothing to land a superstar like Love.

No offense, but your trade attempt is even worse than the OPs. And I am sure that Minny fans will agree with me.

[Trader_Joe]

Of course BK will try to get in on this and at least make an offer.
But it would probably require multiple teams and sign and trades with players like Livingston, PP and Blatche.

But in a two team deal...
(After Dec 15th assuming Livingston resigns, if not use Teague)

Lopez, Plumlee, Teletovic, Thornton, Livingston, rights to Bogdanovic, Karaman, Bavcic, '19 pick swap, '20#1
For
Love, Martin, Budinger, LRMM

[Dr Positivity]

I would personally trade Harden for Love.

I doubt Morey could do it though if only due to PR issues. But that seem to be the only trade Houston could realistically offer that make sense on paper and in terms of money.

Unless I'm mistaken, once the Rockets extend Parsons they can not trade him that soon, which makes a Parsons deal very very difficult since it would require probably both Lin and Asik involved as well.

That's not a crazy idea, but I wouldn't give up on HOU getting Love with non Harden and Dwight pieces

Say a trade like this:

Houston gets Kevin Love

Philadelphia gets Omer Asik, Jeremy Lin, Terrence Jones, 2016 HOU 1st

Minnesota gets Chandler Parsons, Thaddeus Young, Patrick Beverly, Donatas Motiejunas, 2014 HOU 1st, 2014 NY 2nd, 2015 NY 2nd, 2015 MIN 2nd

Obviously that may not look like a sexy trade to Wolves fans, but it depends what ownership wants. They may well see the team with 2 rounded starters in Parsons and Young and a 6th man in Beverly, as steps towards a 40 W+ team next year

That's atrocious for Minny.

Couple of things. OP loves to play with the expiring excuse to make low-ball offers, but guess what.

Chandler Parsons is an expiring and he won't even be restricted. Plus, he is about to get paid big time (10m+/year at least). Young is not a starting material PF in a serious contender .Beverly is nothing more than a backup PG in a minimum contract. Motiejunas has showed nothing so far, HOU's 1st is a late one and those 2nds add absolutely nothing to land a superstar like Love.

No offense, but your trade attempt is even worse than the OPs. And I am sure that Minny fans will agree with me.

I'm not positive but I think if he was dealt to them quickly enough (before July 1st?), MIN could make Parsons an RFA this summer. But maybe someone can confirm.

[patrol345]

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[RollingWave]

I would personally trade Harden for Love.

I doubt Morey could do it though if only due to PR issues. But that seem to be the only trade Houston could realistically offer that make sense on paper and in terms of money.

Unless I'm mistaken, once the Rockets extend Parsons they can not trade him that soon, which makes a Parsons deal very very difficult since it would require probably both Lin and Asik involved as well.

That's not a crazy idea, but I wouldn't give up on HOU getting Love with non Harden and Dwight pieces

Say a trade like this:

Houston gets Kevin Love

Philadelphia gets Omer Asik, Jeremy Lin, Terrence Jones, 2016 HOU 1st

Minnesota gets Chandler Parsons, Thaddeus Young, Patrick Beverly, Donatas Motiejunas, 2014 HOU 1st, 2014 NY 2nd, 2015 NY 2nd, 2015 MIN 2nd

Obviously that may not look like a sexy trade to Wolves fans, but it depends what ownership wants. They may well see the team with 2 rounded starters in Parsons and Young and a 6th man in Beverly, as steps towards a 40 W+ team next year

That's literally the kitchen sink deal for the Rockets in the non-Harden scenario, and they would need to literally find a new team around those 3 with zero cap room . could it work? sure, but that seems to be dubious at best. The Sixers could do this trade without throwing in Young BTW, its very odd for them to actually throw away almost as much asset if not more as they gain in a trade to help make money works.

The problem with trading Parsons is the same as Klay Thompson, it look a lot less good when they make 10-12M. They're both well above average player, but won't be able to carry a team anywhere.

Beverley is interesting though, he had an incrediable RAPM this year, not entirely sure if that was fluke or not, he didn't seem to do anything different from last year when he had a meh RAPM. Maybe he's PG version of Tony Allen, maybe not. I can't say for sure, his offense is really blah but the team does so much better offensively with him on the floor (probably due to the conflicting nature of Lin + Harden I guess)

[Dr Positivity]

I would personally trade Harden for Love.

I doubt Morey could do it though if only due to PR issues. But that seem to be the only trade Houston could realistically offer that make sense on paper and in terms of money.

Unless I'm mistaken, once the Rockets extend Parsons they can not trade him that soon, which makes a Parsons deal very very difficult since it would require probably both Lin and Asik involved as well.

That's not a crazy idea, but I wouldn't give up on HOU getting Love with non Harden and Dwight pieces

Say a trade like this:

Houston gets Kevin Love

Philadelphia gets Omer Asik, Jeremy Lin, Terrence Jones, 2016 HOU 1st

Minnesota gets Chandler Parsons, Thaddeus Young, Patrick Beverly, Donatas Motiejunas, 2014 HOU 1st, 2014 NY 2nd, 2015 NY 2nd, 2015 MIN 2nd

Obviously that may not look like a sexy trade to Wolves fans, but it depends what ownership wants. They may well see the team with 2 rounded starters in Parsons and Young and a 6th man in Beverly, as steps towards a 40 W+ team next year

That's literally the kitchen sink deal for the Rockets in the non-Harden scenario, and they would need to literally find a new team around those 3 with zero cap room . could it work? sure, but that seems to be dubious at best. The Sixers could do this trade without throwing in Young BTW, its very odd for them to actually throw away almost as much asset if not more as they gain in a trade to help make money works.

The problem with trading Parsons is the same as Klay Thompson, it look a lot less good when they make 10-12M. They're both well above average player, but won't be able to carry a team anywhere.

Yeah one of the ways to argue against HOU trading everything for Love, is they could sign Carmelo instead while keeping Parsons and Bev. Would require dumping Asik and Lin. Don't think that's a problem for Asik, I see him having an under the cap taker around the league, not to mention NY might just S&T for him (they won't for Lin with Dolan thing). As for Lin, even if a taker straight up isn't found, a deal like Lin and Jones for capspace is prob a cinch

Melo, Parsons, Bev is a better team than Love and a gutted roster. But nowhere near the longevity. Interesting dilemma.

[kingstyyyle]

Don't think Orlando would make an offer either. We wouldn't give up much because he wants to be in the spotlight in a big market. Don't really need more stars bolting to LA.

Thats a good point. Offers should be separated into with/without an extension since it makes a huge difference.

There is no chance of an extension. Love will be a UFA next off season no matter what happens.

[LoyalKing]

That's not a crazy idea, but I wouldn't give up on HOU getting Love with non Harden and Dwight pieces

Say a trade like this:

Houston gets Kevin Love

Philadelphia gets Omer Asik, Jeremy Lin, Terrence Jones, 2016 HOU 1st

Minnesota gets Chandler Parsons, Thaddeus Young, Patrick Beverly, Donatas Motiejunas, 2014 HOU 1st, 2014 NY 2nd, 2015 NY 2nd, 2015 MIN 2nd

Obviously that may not look like a sexy trade to Wolves fans, but it depends what ownership wants. They may well see the team with 2 rounded starters in Parsons and Young and a 6th man in Beverly, as steps towards a 40 W+ team next year

That's atrocious for Minny.

Couple of things. OP loves to play with the expiring excuse to make low-ball offers, but guess what.

Chandler Parsons is an expiring and he won't even be restricted. Plus, he is about to get paid big time (10m+/year at least). Young is not a starting material PF in a serious contender .Beverly is nothing more than a backup PG in a minimum contract. Motiejunas has showed nothing so far, HOU's 1st is a late one and those 2nds add absolutely nothing to land a superstar like Love.

No offense, but your trade attempt is even worse than the OPs. And I am sure that Minny fans will agree with me.

I'm not positive but I think if he was dealt to them quickly enough (before July 1st?), MIN could make Parsons an RFA this summer. But maybe someone can confirm.

Who in his right mind would refuse to pay someone 1m to pay 10+m instead? It's possible, but no GM is dumb enough to do it. It's much better to pay him 1m now and figure things out later. You could even use that 9m+ difference to overpay a bit and beat all the offers he could possibly receive.

Parsons in a 1m contract has one type of value. When you have to give him a 10-12m contract he doesn't look that great.

The expiring excuse works for everyone, not only for Love.

[Dr Positivity]

Because taking the 1 mil means he's a UFA next summer. I think a team like MIN would like the control.

[Narf]

Just my 2 cents
With the way Minnesota is built, what would be best for them IMHO is a very good defensive PF (Ibaka/Horford type) and a couple of young assets (picks, players) coming back as well.

So a 3 team deal with the pick going to Atlanta from Boston with Horford/Green/something to Minnesota (and Budinger/Love to Boston). Or Ibaka, Lamb, pick for Love from OKC. Fill out the rest of the deals, but I think Atlanta should rebuild and Minnesota would be just fine having Horford/Pekovic as the front line for the next 6 years. I also think OKC would kill to have Love/Durant/Westbrook and defensive fillers.

That's what makes sense to me.

But whatevs, do what you guys want.

[sportscrazy]

Kevin Love and filler to GS
Pekovic and Barnes to Cleveland
Thompson, Lee and assets to Minney

With fillers going all around to even it out.

[jbk1234]

Don't think Orlando would make an offer either. We wouldn't give up much because he wants to be in the spotlight in a big market. Don't really need more stars bolting to LA.

Thats a good point. Offers should be separated into with/without an extension since it makes a huge difference.

There is no chance of an extension. Love will be a UFA next off season no matter what happens.

Why do people think that? What is the point of Love listing teams he would play with if he wouldn't extend?

[Narf]

One last thing, GS has some crazy bad ideas about value.

Barnes is not a good prospect anymore, Lee has a significant negative value because of his contract.
Klay/Lee for Love/Budinger is the minimum bid for Golden State. Just stop with the crap Barnes/Lee offer, as if Minnesota even looks twice at it. I know their fans think otherwise, but GS trade Klay in a heartbeat for Love.

[Trader_Joe]

Thats a good point. Offers should be separated into with/without an extension since it makes a huge difference.

There is no chance of an extension. Love will be a UFA next off season no matter what happens.

Why do people think that? What is the point of Love listing teams he would play with if he wouldn't extend?

Players don't extend anymore these days ... of the high end FAs at least. It makes more sense for them to opt out.

[LoyalKing]

I know it and that's exactly why you have to be careful when you have Parsons as a trade target.

Parsons in a 1m contract looks great. But denying him a 1m contract in order to make him a RFA, just to give him a 10-12m contract for multiple years 1 year earlier makes him a lot less appealing. That's why I don't see this happening.

Parsons turns 26 in October. He is not that young anymore. He wants to get paid and that's why I don't think Minny should care much about keeping him as a RFA. Parsons will go where the money is.

[jbk1234]

There is no chance of an extension. Love will be a UFA next off season no matter what happens.

Why do people think that? What is the point of Love listing teams he would play with if he wouldn't extend?

Players don't extend anymore these days ... of the high end FAs at least. It makes more sense for them to opt out.

But without that guarantee, Minny won't get value. If Minny doesn't get value, Love doesn't get traded, or worse he get's traded somewhere he doesn't want to be. He'd have to agree to extend.

[Trader_Joe]

Why do people think that? What is the point of Love listing teams he would play with if he wouldn't extend?

Players don't extend anymore these days ... of the high end FAs at least. It makes more sense for them to opt out.

But without that guarantee, Minny won't get value. If Minny doesn't get value, Love doesn't get traded, or worse he get's traded somewhere he doesn't want to be. He'd have to agree to extend.

Maybe he or his agent would make it clear he would resign, but he won't extend.

[LoyalKing]

Because taking the 1 mil means he's a UFA next summer. I think a team like MIN would like the control.

I know it and that's exactly why you have to be careful when you have Parsons as a trade target.

Parsons in a 1m contract looks great. But denying him a 1m contract in order to make him a RFA, just to give him a 10-12m contract for multiple years 1 year earlier makes him a lot less appealing. That's why I don't see this happening.

Parsons turns 26 in October. He is not that young anymore. He wants to get paid and that's why I don't think Minny should care much about keeping him as a RFA. Parsons will go where the money is.

[RollingWave]

Yeah one of the ways to argue against HOU trading everything for Love, is they could sign Carmelo instead while keeping Parsons and Bev. Would require dumping Asik and Lin. Don't think that's a problem for Asik, I see him having an under the cap taker around the league, not to mention NY might just S&T for him (they won't for Lin with Dolan thing). As for Lin, even if a taker straight up isn't found, a deal like Lin and Jones for capspace is prob a cinch

Melo, Parsons, Bev is a better team than Love and a gutted roster. But nowhere near the longevity. Interesting dilemma.

On a general level I think Houston simply runs into too much of a usage problem this way and defensively remains devastatingly bad even with Dwight, Miami got away with this because those 3 are all plus defenders, so even though the big 3 setup basically neutered Chris Bosh's offense it still worked.

Unfortunately for Houston, a Melo / Harden / Dwight setup seems likely to seriously blow into one of their offense, and probably either Melo or Harden, and both player's value hinges almost entirely in that department.

This is why I feel they might simply be better off trading Harden for Love, yeah that probably means they need to count on Lin to make plays which can be scary, but as we've seen it's not like Harden forcing the plays in the playoff is a great solution either.