Official (Woj): RJ to Detroit, Kanter to OKC, picks to Utah

[sfballa13]

I posted so many trades between Detroit and OKC and each time everyone that responded claimed that OKC didnt need the Pistons' trash (Singler, Augustin, Jerebko)

Back in those dark times Reggie Jackson was not to be had for anything less than a 1st round pick

Now Singler and Augustin have morphed into perennial all stars and Reggie Jackson plain sucks

I think the biggest thing people should be questioning is why in the hell was Singler included in the first place?

OKC has Roberson, Morrow, Waiters, Lamb, Perry Jones III, Novak. Where does Singler find minutes?

Detroit should have kept Singler

[djthesonicsfan]

Jackson, Perkins, Jerrett, Smith, Pleiß & a 1st for Kanter, Augustine, Singler & Novak

Jackson had to go although I fully expect him to post good numbers for Detroit the rest of the season. Maybe even outstanding numbers. Still, he had to go because he's never going to be half as good as Trey. And at this point the situation had clearly dissolved to addition by subtraction.

Kanter is a big time pick up... if he resigns this summer for something close to reasonable money. My bet (hope?) is an arrangement has already been made. The real question is how Brooks manages minutes between three talented young centers (Adams, Kanter & McGary). Has not been his strong suit. Still, that's not a bad problem to have. Getting Augustine as our new backup PG helps a lot.

Don't think Singler or Novak move the needle much. Nor does losing Smith or Jerrett. However, it's worth noting that Presti gave up Pleiß and a 1st. Does this represent a movement away from "grow your own"? Maybe. Or maybe Presti viewed it as just another opportunistic trade... getting a young, talented big for essentially a low first round pick and a Euro stash prospect if you call Augustine for Jackson something close to a wash. It's also worth noting it seems as if Presti will be paying the tax. That's a switch. And a signal for the Harden trade haters to begin their catcalls. Personally, to this day I remain pissed and can't believe they traded Harden even though Adams and McGary will both have better than solid careers (it's too damn bad Brooks has banned Lamb to the doghouse).

And let's not forget all the Perk haters. It will be very interesting to see where Perk lands. My bet is that he gets lots of offers. I hope it works out for the big guy. He's a class act and he has meant a ton to the team over his years with us.

Haven't heard specifically, but the pick can't be until 2017 at the earliest. So at the moment Presti is without a 1st for two of the next three years. That's never happened before. Is that because Presti has faith in Abrines, Huestis and Christon? Or that the team is so damn deep with young talent he doesn't need/want anymore picks? Having wondered all that, I can't help but notice Durant's contract is up at the end of next season. If he takes off that 2017 pick could be pretty valuable. Hope it's protected.

Finally, Chuck sure liked it for us as we got some low post offense. He's been calling for that for years. But I've also read less favorable reviews on the trade elsewhere. Anyway, I want to side with Chuck and give us an "A"' but I'm giving it an incomplete until I see how Brooks figures out how to fit Kanter in and Augustine leads the second unit... and Kanter signs a new deal.

[greenandgold]

RJ ends up being another Josh Smith for Detroit. Looks like he should be an All-Star but doesn't actually shoot well, get to the line, make a lot of plays for others, or play great defense (-1.7 DRPM).

RJ is living off a couple of great games in the playoffs, but otherwise he's been mediocre. Augustin's had a much better season (objectively better shooting, higher free throw rate, better assists, similarly bad on defense).

[Leto]

Yeah. I'm not too keen on this for Detroit. Jackson can't really shoot so it means less space for Monroe and Drummond. Expect teams to double off Jackson when the ball goes into the post.

[BiggMann]

Kanter is a big time pick up... if he resigns this summer for something close to reasonable money

There is a reason Utah traded him, Kanters camp is looking for big money. Reports are, the conversations between Utah and Kanters' agent were very short, my guess is something along these lines: Kanter- "We are looking for max money" Utah- "Thanks, for your time."

[slc24]

Word from the Jazz beat writer is that Enes was offered 4 years, 32 mil by the Jazz, and was asking for 4 years, 63 million.

[djthesonicsfan]

Kanter is a big time pick up... if he resigns this summer for something close to reasonable money

There is a reason Utah traded him, Kanters camp is looking for big money. Reports are, the conversations between Utah and Kanters' agent were very short, my guess is something along these lines: Kanter- "We are looking for max money" Utah- "Thanks, for your time."

Agreed this is an issue. Made doubly hard because I don't think Kanter is better, at least for our team, than Adams. Plus we got McGary who's going to play. And he was upset in Utah about sharing playing time with Gobert. So who's thinking Brooks is the magician who's going to solve this playing time Gordian Knot? So I'm wait and see. If there's one thing this deadline emphasized is that basketball players are people not trading cards with pictures on the front, statistics on the back and wrapped in plastic with a stick of cardboard bubble gum.

[djthesonicsfan]

Word from the Jazz beat writer is that Enes was offered 4 years, 32 mil by the Jazz, and was asking for 4 years, 63 million.

Ya, big guys always get paid, but that would be more than Presti is paying Westbrook. We're going to need some Einstein to re-explain the Theory of Relativity to our guys if Kanter is paid more than Westbrook. Not to mention Ibaka. Maybe we get saved by the new tv money. How all this falls out will be interesting to say the least.

[Trader_Joe]

I put this in my, I'm back thread.. but adding it here as well...


OKC.. first off I guess they weren't going for a team exclusively made up of players drafted by them after all ( )as they've turned the team over rather drastically this season. TBH, I'm not in love with this deal for them. As much as I didn't want to see Jackson on the Nets, I thought he had more value than this, Pleiss is a decent Euro prospect and their 1st has value. The only piece of value they really got back was Kanter. Singler and Novak are major scrubs and while Augustin is ok, he is nothing special and a major downgrade from Jackson. I think they will miss Perkins' defense, especially once they see Kanter on that end. Either way, they did need to make a move and take a chance, so kudos to them.


And add to that some alarming stats about Kanter's D.

Kanter doesn't block shots.. 0.3 a game
Kanter allows opponents to shoot 58% at the rim. In fact Kanter allows the highest percentage of any big man playing over 25 mpg, only guards are ahead of him. He's on par with Kyle Korver
He has a defensive rating of 108.

In other words he's a pretty bad defender.

[bondom34]

I put this in my, I'm back thread.. but adding it here as well...


OKC.. first off I guess they weren't going for a team exclusively made up of players drafted by them after all ( )as they've turned the team over rather drastically this season. TBH, I'm not in love with this deal for them. As much as I didn't want to see Jackson on the Nets, I thought he had more value than this, Pleiss is a decent Euro prospect and their 1st has value. The only piece of value they really got back was Kanter. Singler and Novak are major scrubs and while Augustin is ok, he is nothing special and a major downgrade from Jackson. I think they will miss Perkins' defense, especially once they see Kanter on that end. Either way, they did need to make a move and take a chance, so kudos to them.


And add to that some alarming stats about Kanter's D.

Kanter doesn't block shots.. 0.3 a game
Kanter allows opponents to shoot 58% at the rim. In fact Kanter allows the highest percentage of any big man playing over 25 mpg, only guards are ahead of him. He's on par with Kyle Korver
He has a defensive rating of 108.

In other words he's a pretty bad defender.

Glad you're back man. just to explain my optimism, I figured I'd explain some. As for the deal, it was really just to deal at once and while they didn't get much for Jackson, what Utah gave back made up the difference for me. The pic is lottery protected for like 6 years, and I'm not nearly as high on the European prospect as some. I've heard conflicting reports between he's a capable backup to a scrub. For the guys OKC got back, I'd take a risk on Kanter over Lopez. Neither defends well, but Kanter is younger and I think Adams ad Ibaka hide him. Singler and DJ R exactly what the team needed. DJ is a cheap decent backup point guard, and Singler is still likely the best backup small forward on the roster.

[Trader_Joe]

I put this in my, I'm back thread.. but adding it here as well...


OKC.. first off I guess they weren't going for a team exclusively made up of players drafted by them after all ( )as they've turned the team over rather drastically this season. TBH, I'm not in love with this deal for them. As much as I didn't want to see Jackson on the Nets, I thought he had more value than this, Pleiss is a decent Euro prospect and their 1st has value. The only piece of value they really got back was Kanter. Singler and Novak are major scrubs and while Augustin is ok, he is nothing special and a major downgrade from Jackson. I think they will miss Perkins' defense, especially once they see Kanter on that end. Either way, they did need to make a move and take a chance, so kudos to them.


And add to that some alarming stats about Kanter's D.

Kanter doesn't block shots.. 0.3 a game
Kanter allows opponents to shoot 58% at the rim. In fact Kanter allows the highest percentage of any big man playing over 25 mpg, only guards are ahead of him. He's on par with Kyle Korver
He has a defensive rating of 108.

In other words he's a pretty bad defender.

Glad you're back man. just to explain my optimism, I figured I'd explain some. As for the deal, it was really just to deal at once and while they didn't get much for Jackson, what Utah gave back made up the difference for me. The pic is lottery protected for like 6 years, and I'm not nearly as high on the European prospect as some. I've heard conflicting reports between he's a capable backup to a scrub. For the guys OKC got back, I'd take a risk on Kanter over Lopez. Neither defends well, but Kanter is younger and I think Adams ad Ibaka hide him. Singler and DJ R exactly what the team needed. DJ is a cheap decent backup point guard, and Singler is still likely the best backup small forward on the roster.

Like I said, I think they needed to make a move and this is good in that regard, but I don't the value is very good, nor do I think he's going to help as much as some people think.

I don't think Lopez would have been the right fit for the team either but I just want to point out he's a much better defender by almost every metric

-Lopez blocks shots, Kanter doesn'tt (1.7 vs. 0.3)
-Kanter allows opponents to shoot 58% at the rim, Lopez 50% which is a large difference. In fact Kanter allows the highest percentage of any big man playing over 25 mpg, only guards are ahead of him. Lopez is 1.5 percentage points within the likes of Horford, Drummond, Gortat, Davis, Gasol, Jordan Chandler. Kanter is on par with Kyle Korver
-Lopez has a better defensive rating by about 3 points.
-Lopez is at least 7'1" in shoes with a 9'5" reach, Kanter a 9'1.5 reach. (Lopez has clearly grown since he was measured at 19 and pretty much on par with Hibbert size wise as even their color commentator mentioned on air 2 years back)

Also, Lopez has at least one year of PO experience where he was
-top 5 in PER
-the #1 scoring big man for the PO, PF or C
-#1 in blocks tied with Ibaka
-Put up 22.4 points / 7.4 rebounds / 3 blocks / 1.4 assists / 1 steal / 6.3 FTA per game against the vaunted Chicago D (Noah, Gibson and of course Thibs)

Kanter is the better rebounder, younger, healthier and the safer choice as a restricted FA, but I think Lopez would have offered more upside (and risk as he wouldn't commit to opting in to his final year).

Also it wouldn't have given you the same depth (though i think Sinlger is awful). Supposedly the Lopez deal was Lopez (+ someone like Alan Anderson, Brown or Jefferson) for Perkins, Jackson, PJ3 (no pick, Pleiss, or Jarrett).

So, I think you guys made the safer smarter deal, but I'm still not convinced OKC should be listed among winners.
I think Miami, Milwaukee and maybe some others did better.

[djthesonicsfan]

I put this in my, I'm back thread.. but adding it here as well...

OKC.. first off I guess they weren't going for a team exclusively made up of players drafted by them after all ( )as they've turned the team over rather drastically this season.

There you go, shooting the messenger. For the record, Counselor, I championed the awareness of what was happening, and it did happen, not endorse it. Having said that, I admit I found the practice interesting and not without some merit. On top of that, I'm not sure Presti is abandoning that approach. His entire starting five will still be guys he drafted. As will four of the reserves. I can't imagine either Singler or Novak are long for the team. And he's got Christon, Abrines & Huestis waiting for their turn. My theory is that Presti was far enough ahead that he felt comfortable cashing in those two picks (including the one used for Waiters) and Pleiss in exchange for another young, win now piece (Kanter). But we digress. Surely we can continue debating the relative merits of NBA roster strategy in another thread at another time.

TBH, I'm not in love with this deal for them. As much as I didn't want to see Jackson on the Nets, I thought he had more value than this, Pleiss is a decent Euro prospect and their 1st has value. The only piece of value they really got back was Kanter. Singler and Novak are major scrubs and while Augustin is ok, he is nothing special and a major downgrade from Jackson. I think they will miss Perkins' defense, especially once they see Kanter on that end. Either way, they did need to make a move and take a chance, so kudos to them. And add to that some alarming stats about Kanter's D.

Kanter doesn't block shots.. 0.3 a game
Kanter allows opponents to shoot 58% at the rim. In fact Kanter allows the highest percentage of any big man playing over 25 mpg, only guards are ahead of him. He's on par with Kyle Korver
He has a defensive rating of 108.

In other words he's a pretty bad defender.

And this team is first and foremost a defensive team. Regardless of KD's and Russell's ability to score points. So ya, your point is well taken. And that's why I continue to believe that Adams is a better fit for this team compared to Kanter and I wonder how the playing time issue gets resolved. So ya, the situation is quite dynamic at the moment.

[Trader_Joe]

I put this in my, I'm back thread.. but adding it here as well...

OKC.. first off I guess they weren't going for a team exclusively made up of players drafted by them after all ( )as they've turned the team over rather drastically this season.

There you go, shooting the messenger. For the record, Counselor, I championed the awareness of what was happening, and it did happen, not endorse it. Having said that, I admit I found the practice interesting and not without some merit. On top of that, I'm not sure Presti is abandoning that approach. His entire starting five will still be guys he drafted. As will four of the reserves. I can't imagine either Singler or Novak are long for the team. And he's got Christon, Abrines & Huestis waiting for their turn. My theory is that Presti was far enough ahead that he felt comfortable cashing in those two picks (including the one used for Waiters) and Pleiss in exchange for another young, win now piece (Kanter). But we digress. Surely we can continue debating the relative merits of NBA roster strategy in another thread at another time.

TBH, I'm not in love with this deal for them. As much as I didn't want to see Jackson on the Nets, I thought he had more value than this, Pleiss is a decent Euro prospect and their 1st has value. The only piece of value they really got back was Kanter. Singler and Novak are major scrubs and while Augustin is ok, he is nothing special and a major downgrade from Jackson. I think they will miss Perkins' defense, especially once they see Kanter on that end. Either way, they did need to make a move and take a chance, so kudos to them. And add to that some alarming stats about Kanter's D.

Kanter doesn't block shots.. 0.3 a game
Kanter allows opponents to shoot 58% at the rim. In fact Kanter allows the highest percentage of any big man playing over 25 mpg, only guards are ahead of him. He's on par with Kyle Korver
He has a defensive rating of 108.

In other words he's a pretty bad defender.

And this team is first and foremost a defensive team. Regardless of KD's and Russell's ability to score points. So ya, your point is well taken. And that's why I continue to believe that Adams is a better fit for this team compared to Kanter and I wonder how the playing time issue gets resolved. So ya, the situation is quite dynamic at the moment.

Friendly joke there


I think having the defenders around Kanter surely will help, but when they are playing the likes of TD and Gasol, they're going to have to have Adams in or Ibaka play them. If anything they can do what the Nets do with Lopez and let Kanter do his damage against second units from the bench and if the match=up is right or he's play well keep him in. Seems there is plenty of time as Adams can be foul prone, and I think Kanter can play some PF.

[HartfordWhalers]

I think having the defenders around Kanter surely will help, but when they are playing the likes of TD and Gasol, they're going to have to have Adams in or Ibaka play them. If anything they can do what the Nets do with Lopez and let Kanter do his damage against second units from the bench and if the match=up is right or he's play well keep him in. Seems there is plenty of time as Adams can be foul prone, and I think Kanter can play some PF.

So, in order for Kanter to work defensively, he would need someone like Favors and Gobert? I hate the low return for Jackson, but I also hate the high price OKC paid for Kanter and don't see him fitting.

[Trader_Joe]

I think having the defenders around Kanter surely will help, but when they are playing the likes of TD and Gasol, they're going to have to have Adams in or Ibaka play them. If anything they can do what the Nets do with Lopez and let Kanter do his damage against second units from the bench and if the match=up is right or he's play well keep him in. Seems there is plenty of time as Adams can be foul prone, and I think Kanter can play some PF.

So, in order for Kanter to work defensively, he would need someone like Favors and Gobert? I hate the low return for Jackson, but I also hate the high price OKC paid for Kanter and don't see him fitting.

Yeah.. that didn't work either, and when you're going one on one against the likes of of a Gasol or TD you can't expect Ibaka to have to leave their man to double team or block a shot. If anything I was thinking their team D and perimeter players will have to make sure there aren't easy entry passes when Kanter's guy has good position on them and they be the ones double teaming. I don't think big men compliment each other defensively like people think they can. They can compliment each other on offense or on the boards, but if anything the help defense needs to come from the perimeter.

[MoneyTalks41890]

Kanter is 22 with quite a bit of upside. I don't think its unreasonable that he could become a better defender with the right coaching and some work. Young bigs often take time to adapt and he has been a part of a pretty unstable situation. Lopez is what he is at this point. We will see how it works out, but OKC didn't give up much at all for Kanter. Just a bunch of 10 cent pieces and a late 1st.

The return for RJ wasn't high in terms of future assets, but the fit is perfect and the return is a win now fill out the bench return. DJ can run the backup point and is close with KD and Singler and Novak are snipers to throw into the mix.

[bondom34]

I put this in my, I'm back thread.. but adding it here as well...


OKC.. first off I guess they weren't going for a team exclusively made up of players drafted by them after all ( )as they've turned the team over rather drastically this season. TBH, I'm not in love with this deal for them. As much as I didn't want to see Jackson on the Nets, I thought he had more value than this, Pleiss is a decent Euro prospect and their 1st has value. The only piece of value they really got back was Kanter. Singler and Novak are major scrubs and while Augustin is ok, he is nothing special and a major downgrade from Jackson. I think they will miss Perkins' defense, especially once they see Kanter on that end. Either way, they did need to make a move and take a chance, so kudos to them.


And add to that some alarming stats about Kanter's D.

Kanter doesn't block shots.. 0.3 a game
Kanter allows opponents to shoot 58% at the rim. In fact Kanter allows the highest percentage of any big man playing over 25 mpg, only guards are ahead of him. He's on par with Kyle Korver
He has a defensive rating of 108.

In other words he's a pretty bad defender.

Glad you're back man. just to explain my optimism, I figured I'd explain some. As for the deal, it was really just to deal at once and while they didn't get much for Jackson, what Utah gave back made up the difference for me. The pic is lottery protected for like 6 years, and I'm not nearly as high on the European prospect as some. I've heard conflicting reports between he's a capable backup to a scrub. For the guys OKC got back, I'd take a risk on Kanter over Lopez. Neither defends well, but Kanter is younger and I think Adams ad Ibaka hide him. Singler and DJ R exactly what the team needed. DJ is a cheap decent backup point guard, and Singler is still likely the best backup small forward on the roster.

Like I said, I think they needed to make a move and this is good in that regard, but I don't the value is very good, nor do I think he's going to help as much as some people think.

I don't think Lopez would have been the right fit for the team either but I just want to point out he's a much better defender by almost every metric

-Lopez blocks shots, Kanter doesn'tt (1.7 vs. 0.3)
-Kanter allows opponents to shoot 58% at the rim, Lopez 50% which is a large difference. In fact Kanter allows the highest percentage of any big man playing over 25 mpg, only guards are ahead of him. Lopez is 1.5 percentage points within the likes of Horford, Drummond, Gortat, Davis, Gasol, Jordan Chandler. Kanter is on par with Kyle Korver
-Lopez has a better defensive rating by about 3 points.
-Lopez is at least 7'1" in shoes with a 9'5" reach, Kanter a 9'1.5 reach. (Lopez has clearly grown since he was measured at 19 and pretty much on par with Hibbert size wise as even their color commentator mentioned on air 2 years back)

Also, Lopez has at least one year of PO experience where he was
-top 5 in PER
-the #1 scoring big man for the PO, PF or C
-#1 in blocks tied with Ibaka
-Put up 22.4 points / 7.4 rebounds / 3 blocks / 1.4 assists / 1 steal / 6.3 FTA per game against the vaunted Chicago D (Noah, Gibson and of course Thibs)

Kanter is the better rebounder, younger, healthier and the safer choice as a restricted FA, but I think Lopez would have offered more upside (and risk as he wouldn't commit to opting in to his final year).

Also it wouldn't have given you the same depth (though i think Sinlger is awful). Supposedly the Lopez deal was Lopez (+ someone like Alan Anderson, Brown or Jefferson) for Perkins, Jackson, PJ3 (no pick, Pleiss, or Jarrett).

So, I think you guys made the safer smarter deal, but I'm still not convinced OKC should be listed among winners.
I think Miami, Milwaukee and maybe some others did better.

Oh, I don't think its a complete grand slam, but relative to most deals at the deadline, I think they came out of the day better than they entered most likely. If they would have done the Lopez deal and gotten Cole (which was rumored), I'd be pissed. This got them a few guys who may be semi-useful. Heck, PJIII has been KD's backup, so there's not much to lose.

[Trader_Joe]

Kanter is 22 with quite a bit of upside. I don't think its unreasonable that he could become a better defender with the right coaching and some work. Young bigs often take time to adapt and he has been a part of a pretty unstable situation. Lopez is what he is at this point. We will see how it works out, but OKC didn't give up much at all for Kanter. Just a bunch of 10 cent pieces and a late 1st.

The return for RJ wasn't high in terms of future assets, but the fit is perfect and the return is a win now fill out the bench return. DJ can run the backup point and is close with KD and Singler and Novak are snipers to throw into the mix.

That's one thing I've noticed about Kanter tho.. he's stats haven't really improved at all across the board since his rookie year when you look at a per 36 basis. In fact his blocks are down significantly. He's also going to get paid for that perceived potential to the tune of a max contract.

As for Lopez, Lopez was a part of as unstable a situation as one can be in (7 coaches, major roster turnover year after year, injuries) and was an AS when he was roughly 1 year older age wise and experience wise than Kanter putting up a top 5 PER on a team with HC.

But again I agree Kanter was the safer smarter choice. He's younger, healthier and restricted. I just don't think the immediate potential is the same.

[Trader_Joe]

Glad you're back man. just to explain my optimism, I figured I'd explain some. As for the deal, it was really just to deal at once and while they didn't get much for Jackson, what Utah gave back made up the difference for me. The pic is lottery protected for like 6 years, and I'm not nearly as high on the European prospect as some. I've heard conflicting reports between he's a capable backup to a scrub. For the guys OKC got back, I'd take a risk on Kanter over Lopez. Neither defends well, but Kanter is younger and I think Adams ad Ibaka hide him. Singler and DJ R exactly what the team needed. DJ is a cheap decent backup point guard, and Singler is still likely the best backup small forward on the roster.

Like I said, I think they needed to make a move and this is good in that regard, but I don't the value is very good, nor do I think he's going to help as much as some people think.

I don't think Lopez would have been the right fit for the team either but I just want to point out he's a much better defender by almost every metric

-Lopez blocks shots, Kanter doesn'tt (1.7 vs. 0.3)
-Kanter allows opponents to shoot 58% at the rim, Lopez 50% which is a large difference. In fact Kanter allows the highest percentage of any big man playing over 25 mpg, only guards are ahead of him. Lopez is 1.5 percentage points within the likes of Horford, Drummond, Gortat, Davis, Gasol, Jordan Chandler. Kanter is on par with Kyle Korver
-Lopez has a better defensive rating by about 3 points.
-Lopez is at least 7'1" in shoes with a 9'5" reach, Kanter a 9'1.5 reach. (Lopez has clearly grown since he was measured at 19 and pretty much on par with Hibbert size wise as even their color commentator mentioned on air 2 years back)

Also, Lopez has at least one year of PO experience where he was
-top 5 in PER
-the #1 scoring big man for the PO, PF or C
-#1 in blocks tied with Ibaka
-Put up 22.4 points / 7.4 rebounds / 3 blocks / 1.4 assists / 1 steal / 6.3 FTA per game against the vaunted Chicago D (Noah, Gibson and of course Thibs)

Kanter is the better rebounder, younger, healthier and the safer choice as a restricted FA, but I think Lopez would have offered more upside (and risk as he wouldn't commit to opting in to his final year).

Also it wouldn't have given you the same depth (though i think Sinlger is awful). Supposedly the Lopez deal was Lopez (+ someone like Alan Anderson, Brown or Jefferson) for Perkins, Jackson, PJ3 (no pick, Pleiss, or Jarrett).

So, I think you guys made the safer smarter deal, but I'm still not convinced OKC should be listed among winners.
I think Miami, Milwaukee and maybe some others did better.

Oh, I don't think its a complete grand slam, but relative to most deals at the deadline, I think they came out of the day better than they entered most likely. If they would have done the Lopez deal and gotten Cole (which was rumored), I'd be pissed. This got them a few guys who may be semi-useful. Heck, PJIII has been KD's backup, so there's not much to lose.

Agree... I don't think there's anything to complain about. I was simply pointing out I don't like it as much as everyone else seems to and trying to point out why, specifically because of value and Kanter's terrible D. And yeah, I would have been pissed if they did the RJ/Lopez deal too.. lol.

[MoneyTalks41890]

I really don't think Kanter gets a max deal. Who would give it to him?

Also, are the Nets still miffed about how the deadline went down? I'm kind of curious about that.