Drummond Value

[joedumars1]

I might trade him for Curry

So, you also might not?

Yup. Do you think Detroit would be as good is they could just trade Dre for Curry? I don't think Curry would be as good on Detroit, he wouldn't have nearly the same talent around him. It would probably take 2-3 years to get it, not sure if they ever would. That's the thing about trading Dre for anyone really except another Center. We know what we have now with Dre, it's working just fine and he is 22. Get Curry and i'd almost guarantee it would take awhile to get the pieces to build around him.

[Blkbrd671]

Now you are being insulting and I don't appreciate that at all.

get off your high horse, you've been making insulting comments all thread

That valuation for a guy who can't play in crunch time is asinine.

Suggesting anything else is just stupidity.

i don't mind jabs, but essentially your calling anyone who doesn't agree with your OPINION stupid. Which is in fact asinine.

Trust me I understand that it isn't NBA2k. Any of James, Durant, Davis or Curry would immediately improve the Pistons to levels that Drummond never will. Suggesting anything else is just stupidity

The overall point is that his value is high. He's a good player. But he's not a top 10 guy in the league, never mind a top 5 guy. And suggesting that the Pistons wouldn't deal him for the 4 best players in the world is just idiocy or being a homer. I'll let you pick which one it is.

it takes simply watching 1 game of Dre and watching one game of Jordan to understand the difference. I would think if your going to make such firm stance you'd at least do some research. They aren't similar players. While i can appreciate you trying to back your point, i'll let someone else explain it. If this is what you think dre is, definitely agree to disagree.

Its funny how you put these players in tier system to develop your valuation and taking everything completely out of context. ignoring everything because the #1 player is better than the #5 player therefore = better team. Its logical but in the context of reality doesn't work that way. While i'd love to hear how RJ+Curry is miles better than RJ+Dre, its a pointless discussion. Fact is Dre's not going anywhere even if Lebron was offered, because Detroit doesn't need to rush and the better team beats the better player. Long term success far outweighs Short terms success, both from a franchise contending stand point and a business stand point which again is not in your context.

Please see Brooklyn nets for reference

[Blkbrd671]

I might trade him for Curry

So, you also might not?

Curry to RJ for the jam just isn't as exciting.

Honestly i see curry as this era's Jordan(at least for this season so far), and if you asked me if i trade Andre for Jordan. F* me i would probably say yes. You just don't really see players like Andre very often, and its been so long since detroit has had that sort of talent and a center no less. ...................................it would be a feeling i would hate to have, whatever being happy and sad at the same time would feel like.

[Blkbrd671]

You're a better poster than this, Smitty.

Last year, The "Drummond = DeAndre" comparison was lazy; this year, it's flat out laughable and ignorant. Drummond is averaging 18 & 16 at 22 years old; at that age, DeAndre averaged 7 & 7. Drummond HAS developed a better offensive game, not only than he previously had (you know, back when he was a teenager), but than DeAndre CURRENTLY has. Watch him a few more games and notice how many times he backs his defender down and shoots a soft jump hook. Then watch some Clippers games and wait for DeAndre to show that same move; the next time he does it will be the first.

Look, they're both big and neither can shoot free throws. I get that. But using that logic, I could argue that Drummond is "basically the same guy" as Shaq. Sticking to this "Drummond = DeAndre" narrative either shows you're not paying attention, haven't watched enough of Drummond this year, or are just stubbornly ignoring facts and refusing to revise your opinion. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume it's not the latter, but you are way, W-A-Y off with this one.

He isn't and never will be a guy you build your offense around. That was more the point I was making. He is better offensively than Jordan. I'll give you that. But the fact remains that beyond that, they are very similar players. Both are defense/rebounding first big men. At this point, they may be the two best in the league in that respect.

I just know that in those three games against the Celtics, he couldn't play in late game situations. And I've seen that in multiple other games this year. I can't get behind giving max money to a guy who can't play in the last 5 minutes of a game because he's such a liability at the FT line. When the Pistons start playing really important games, like they are this year, the problem just gets magnified that much more. That would be a major red flag for me.

Detroits 2-1 in those 3 games. Definitely don't give him the max. Also we play in the Eastern Conference where 1.5 games is the difference between 9th and 4th place. Every games important. So far +.500 . We'll take our chances with our version of Deandre Jordan

[bondom34]

Wow, this is ridiculous.

[roc]

No way would I trade Dre for a malcontent 40% from the floor turnover prone big man... not even with picks added in. Cousins mos def is talented but not enough to overcome the other issues quite yet.

[bondom34]

And the Kings wouldn't think of it either. But maybe for Lebron. Drummond is .02 % TS better than Cousins on massively lower usage.

[roc]

If they want to start winning... maybe they should.

[HartfordWhalers]

I might trade him for Curry

So, you also might not?

Curry to RJ for the jam just isn't as exciting. .

I might have to make this my first sig on here yet.

[Blkbrd671]

So, you also might not?

Curry to RJ for the jam just isn't as exciting. .

I might have to make this my first sig on here yet.

i should really start using green font more often

[Blkbrd671]

If they want to start winning... maybe they should.

Would trading Cousins for LEbron make the Kings start winning?

If the answer is yes, then does the fact that cousins is the best center in the league meaningless

If the answer is no, does that mean Lebron isn't as great as everyone thinks he is.


stay tuned for the answer.

[bondom34]

If they want to start winning... maybe they should.

Gonna toss it out there, but his teammates suck. And he's played as many playoff games as Drummond.

[roc]

Soon to change

[bondom34]

Soon to change

Kings are a game out, you may be right.

[roc]

[Cowology]

Dre is 22 years old and just starting to develop offensively. I think it's entirely possible and I'd even say likely at this point that he becomes a 20 & 15 player next season. The kid is a beast.

I'm not going to say he has more value than Curry, LeBron, Durant, The Brow etc,. but nobody is trading any of those guys anyway. And short of another franchise player I don't picture any scenario in which Detroit has any interest in trading him. You just don't trade 22 yr old C's with the sort of upside that Dre has, especially when they've had no real off the court issues or attitude problems. By all accounts this is a good kid who continues to work hard and expand his game. He's only going to get better and the team as currently constructed is being built around him.

Dre is going to have more value to Detroit, who can't sign a superstar FA, than anybody else. He's our future. So yeah, we're probably going to look like idiots when defending his value... but a year ago everybody thought we were idiots for saying he'd be an All-Star and the best C in the East. When you watch him nightly you realize he's the closest thing to Shaq we've seen in terms of how physically dominant he has the potential to be. Not saying he'll be *that* good, but to be as quick and athletic he is at his size is uncanny. He's going to be a top 2-3 C in the league for a long time.