Trade deadline predictions

[HartfordWhalers]

If Atlanta makes a move, it will be for a starting SF or a young talented tweener SF. I think is a reasonable trade regardless if MIL fans do not think so:

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=z4xfv98
Parker and Copeland for Teague and Holliday

Ken,

you don't have to be a Bucks fan to not find that trade reasonable. I really wish you were willing to listen to all the feedback you have gotten concerning your over-valuing of Hawks PG's. Way too many smart, objective posters have addressed this for you to continue to hold so stubbornly to your position.

And I say this as someone who also finds Parker over-valued a lot on this board. But no chance the Bucks give up on him this early for Teague.

Just co-signing on as someone that thinks thats entirely unreasonable in any way. (Also, that I think Jabari is overrated).

[tradejunkie101]

Trade #1: Suns-Pistons
Markieff Morris for Jodie Meeks and the Pistons 2016 1st round pick (lottery protected)

The only way I see the Suns getting a 1st round pick out of Morris is if they take on a short-term contract like Meeks (out for the season) whose contract will be expiring after this season. Don't see the Pistons trading Ilyasova because he's a useful player that they can bring off the bench even with the addition of Morris. He'll also be on a good value contract relative to the new cap, and possible trade bait (expiring) next season. Don't see the Pistons trading Jennings either as they need him as their backup pg. The difference in talent from Jennings to Steve Blake would be much greater than from Morris to Ilyasova. The Suns don't have the PG minutes to give Jennings anyway. The Pistons should make the playoffs regardless, but as it stands they are only the 7th seed and Morris could help them get a better seed. And his twin brother is already on the team.

Nah. Markieff doesn't really bring anything to the table that Detroit really needs to improve on. Specifically shooting, defense, ball movement, and rebounding from the power forward position. He's not going to get them any farther in the playoffs this season or going forward. The Pistons would still need an upgrade at that position this summer and giving away their first round pick for that, even in what looks to be a weak draft, isn't a smart move.

Well that can't be right. How does Markieff not bring anything to the table when the only player you're sending out is Meeks? He's better than Marcus and he's better than Ilyasova, who could then come off the bench.

[coordinator0]

Well that can't be right. How does Markieff not bring anything to the table when the only player you're sending out is Meeks? He's better than Marcus and he's better than Ilyasova, who could then come off the bench.

That's not what I meant. Markieff doesn't do anything that actually helps Detroit improve on what they're struggling with. He obviosuly has some positive attributes, just not the ones the Pistons need. Being "better" than Marcus or Ersan (he hasn't been this season) isn't really relevant unless the fit is there especially with Detroit in particular. It's not. Sending both Morris and Ilyasova to the bench would be nice but this isn't the kind of move that will improve the Pistons overall. Not with their playing style.

They're much better off waiting until free agency (and using their 1st round pick) to see what upgrades at power forward are available than trading for Markieff right now.

[tradejunkie101]

Well that can't be right. How does Markieff not bring anything to the table when the only player you're sending out is Meeks? He's better than Marcus and he's better than Ilyasova, who could then come off the bench.

That's not what I meant. Markieff doesn't do anything that actually helps Detroit improve on what they're struggling with. He obviosuly has some positive attributes, just not the ones the Pistons need. Being "better" than Marcus or Ersan (he hasn't been this season) isn't really relevant unless the fit is there especially with Detroit in particular. It's not. Sending both Morris and Ilyasova to the bench would be nice but this isn't the kind of move that will improve the Pistons overall. Not with their playing style.

They're much better off waiting until free agency (and using their 1st round pick) to see what upgrades at power forward are available than trading for Markieff right now.

Okay I see what you're saying, though I would still respectfully disagree. Does the same things as Ilyasova on offense but better. So I see very little reason why he wouldn't make the Pistons better. Defensively you could debate, but there's still upside there. He's younger, faster and more mobile. I think most of us know Morris is a much better player. There are extenuating circumstances as to why Morris hasn't been better than Ilyasova this season, but that's based on stats and not actual talent. I don't see any PFs in free agency that would be an upgrade to be honest. None that are realistic anyway. The Pistons 1st round pick won't be good enough to trade for an upgrade either. Remember how people were saying Marcus Morris wouldn't do much of anything when they traded for him? There's an opportunity to buy low here.

[coordinator0]

Okay I see what you're saying, though I would still respectfully disagree. Does the same things as Ilyasova on offense but better.

But not really. Markieff is more of an iso threat than anything else and that's not what Detroit needs around the Jackson-Drummond PnR and with Johnson developing into that secondary ballhandler that's a threat to score from anywhere. Ersan is a better shooter too which is pretty significant. Now if he would actually take his open shots instead of pump faking into harder ones...

So I see very little reason why he wouldn't make the Pistons better. Defensively you could debate, but there's still upside there. He's younger, faster and more mobile. I think most of us know Morris is a much better player. There are extenuating circumstances as to why Morris hasn't been better than Ilyasova this season, but that's based on stats and not actual talent.

Yeah, Markieff isn't a good defender and probably won't be in Detroit either. I wouldn't bet on him becoming a much different player than he is today. For overall talent he brings more to the table than Ilyasova, but again the fit isn't great. If Marcus wasn't on the Pistons I doubt we would see this much debate on Markieff being traded to Detroit.

I don't see any PFs in free agency that would be an upgrade to be honest. None that are realistic anyway. The Pistons 1st round pick won't be good enough to trade for an upgrade either. Remember how people were saying Marcus Morris wouldn't do much of anything when they traded for him? There's an opportunity to buy low here.

It's not a great free agent class for power forwards and the Pistons aren't much of a "destination" team to draw guys in. I would still rather take that gamble than wasting assets on Markieff though. They would still need an upgrade at power forward even after bringing him in. I wasn't alluding to them using their first round pick to trade for someone either, rather they keep it and actually draft somebody. It's not looking like a good class but I trust this front office with talent evaluation.

As for Marcus, he's pretty much the same player he was in Phoenix but with a lot more minutes and worse shooting (the two aren't mutually exclusive either). He's okay, but the team will be a lot better off when Stanley is ready to start there. Marcus is more of an iso guy too and doesn't mesh particularly well with what Detroit is building around.

[tradejunkie101]

Okay I see what you're saying, though I would still respectfully disagree. Does the same things as Ilyasova on offense but better.

But not really. Markieff is more of an iso threat than anything else and that's not what Detroit needs around the Jackson-Drummond PnR and with Johnson developing into that secondary ballhandler that's a threat to score from anywhere. Ersan is a better shooter too which is pretty significant. Now if he would actually take his open shots instead of pump faking into harder ones...

So I see very little reason why he wouldn't make the Pistons better. Defensively you could debate, but there's still upside there. He's younger, faster and more mobile. I think most of us know Morris is a much better player. There are extenuating circumstances as to why Morris hasn't been better than Ilyasova this season, but that's based on stats and not actual talent.

Yeah, Markieff isn't a good defender and probably won't be in Detroit either. I wouldn't bet on him becoming a much different player than he is today. For overall talent he brings more to the table than Ilyasova, but again the fit isn't great. If Marcus wasn't on the Pistons I doubt we would see this much debate on Markieff being traded to Detroit.

I don't see any PFs in free agency that would be an upgrade to be honest. None that are realistic anyway. The Pistons 1st round pick won't be good enough to trade for an upgrade either. Remember how people were saying Marcus Morris wouldn't do much of anything when they traded for him? There's an opportunity to buy low here.

It's not a great free agent class for power forwards and the Pistons aren't much of a "destination" team to draw guys in. I would still rather take that gamble than wasting assets on Markieff though. They would still need an upgrade at power forward even after bringing him in. I wasn't alluding to them using their first round pick to trade for someone either, rather they keep it and actually draft somebody. It's not looking like a good class but I trust this front office with talent evaluation.

As for Marcus, he's pretty much the same player he was in Phoenix but with a lot more minutes and worse shooting (the two aren't mutually exclusive either). He's okay, but the team will be a lot better off when Stanley is ready to start there. Marcus is more of an iso guy too and doesn't mesh particularly well with what Detroit is building around.

I wouldn't say he's restricted to being just an iso player. If Morris isn't a good fit then neither is Ilyasova, so what are we really talking about here? I think they both fit with what Stan is building with Drummond/Jackson in Detroit. The only way you're upgrading from Morris/Ilyasova is if you get an all-star like Horford or a borderline star like Harrison Barnes, but both are unrealistic. And for what its worth I think Morris is a better shooter. Your take on trusting your FO and using your 1st round pick is fair, but the odds of drafting a Rodney Hood in the 20's are very low. I just think its put to better use here. You only send out Meeks and get to keep Ilyasova in the rotation.

[coordinator0]

I wouldn't say he's restricted to being just an iso player. If Morris isn't a good fit then neither is Ilyasova, so what are we really talking about here? I think they both fit with what Stan is building with Drummond/Jackson in Detroit. The only way you're upgrading from Morris/Ilyasova is if you get an all-star like Horford or a borderline star like Harrison Barnes, but both are unrealistic. And for what its worth I think Morris is a better shooter. Your take on trusting your FO and using your 1st round pick is fair, but the odds of drafting a Rodney Hood in the 20's are very low. I just think its put to better use here. You only send out Meeks and get to keep Ilyasova in the rotation.

Markieff and Ersan aren't very similar. I don't know what you're getting at there. Ilyasova has also been a significantly better shooter from deep over his career than Morris has. Even going back to last season, which was Markieff's best in the league, it wasn't even really that close. I don't want the Pistons to have a guy who's just a shooter at power forward but that still has to be a pretty big part of the equation. Morris isn't really much of a threat from out there even if he does occasionally hit a jumper. The threat to pull the defense out is just as important as actually making it.

I would be pretty surprised if the Pistons end up picking in the 20's. If they make the playoffs at all they will probably have one of the worst records out of the playoffs teams. What happens after the regular season doesn't matter for draft slotting.

[tradejunkie101]

Trade #2: Suns-Raptors
Markieff Morris and PJ Tucker for Patrick Patterson and Luis Scola and the 2016 Knicks 1st round pick

The Suns are finally giving Morris the minutes to showcase himself (Hornacek firing no coincidence), so I think GMs around the league will start to remember how talented the better Morris twin is. And with a contract of only $8m per for 3 more years after this season, I expect his value to rise quickly with only 2 weeks left until the trade deadline. The inclusion of a 3&D guy like Tucker makes the overall package worth the Knicks pick. The Raptors have been crying out for quality PF minutes for a long time, and with an extra 3&D guy to buffer Carroll, this would give the Raptors a real shot against the Cavs.

[Scoot McGroot]

I think Larry Bird is going to try and turn Chase Budinger's expiring contract into something useful, albeit on a longer deal. Chase's minutes, and production, have gone down month by month, and with the shift to Myles Turner at the 4, and Paul George at the 3, CJ Miles is playing more on the wing, and Budinger just doesn't have a role here. Ultimately, I could see our "big move" being something around Chase/2nd rounder (since we already have Joe Young, Rakeem Christmas, Shayne Whittington, and Glenn Robinson III all signed through next season on "2nd round" contracts...) for someone with an extra year or two on their deal (around MLE level salary).

[Northern hoops]

Novak and McGary for PJ Tucker

[MadNESS]

Jennings / filler for Thad Young / Larkin

[GooniesNeverDie]

Trade #2: Suns-Raptors
Markieff Morris and PJ Tucker for Patrick Patterson and Luis Scola and the 2016 Knicks 1st round pick

The Suns are finally giving Morris the minutes to showcase himself (Hornacek firing no coincidence), so I think GMs around the league will start to remember how talented the better Morris twin is. And with a contract of only $8m per for 3 more years after this season, I expect his value to rise quickly with only 2 weeks left until the trade deadline. The inclusion of a 3&D guy like Tucker makes the overall package worth the Knicks pick. The Raptors have been crying out for quality PF minutes for a long time, and with an extra 3&D guy to buffer Carroll, this would give the Raptors a real shot against the Cavs.

since when are markieff and PJ worth a lottery pick? this has zero chance of happening. the best pick you guys could get is the clippers 2017 and we'd probably replace scola with james johnson or some other wing since we need two PF's

[sportscrazy]

I was listening to a podcast on ESPN for the NBA Trade Deadline and they said a few things that make sense:

-The Celtics have the best package of assets in the league right now and Danny Ainge wants a star.
-Because there's a lack of sellers, one team will decide to sell at the trade deadline and get crazy value once they decide to make a true star available.
-Putting those two concepts together, some one will make a superstar available and get pretty close to the whole basket of Boston's assets in return.
-They went on to discuss how it probably will not be any of the usual suspects (for example: DeMarcus Cousins, Carmelo Anthony, Al Horford, Danilo Gallinari, etc.), but will probably be with a team that sees cap space and draft picks as more valuable than a star they can't get over the hump with for some reason. They couldn't think of what team or player would make such a move, but said it would resemble "Deron Williams to the Brooklyn Nets" as a possibly out of no where trade.

I looked at the standings, what every teams goal is right now and a team that could trade a star and be cool with coming out with more cap space and "pretty close to the whole basket of Boston's assets in return" strictly in terms of draft picks.

When I analyzed this, I couldn't help but think the Wizards would be better off being the team that creates tons of cap space and gets a ton of draft picks in a market where no one else is selling. Because Isaiah Thomas can do 50-75% of what Wall does, but at such a cap friendly contract that after dumping Gortat's contract as well for David Lee's expiring contract the Wizards would have tons of draft picks and tons of cap space, that the Celtic's wouldn't need to include any of their core players in return.

For the Celtics, only having to lose David Lee and Isaiah Thomas players wise to get a superstar in John Wall plus Marcin Gortat to do a better version of what David Lee does right now means that giving up a ton of their picks would be worth it. The upgrade from Thomas to Wall and Lee to Gortat would put the Celtics over the hump and they would keep every other player, just with Wall in Thomas' place and Gortat in Lee's place.

The Wizards would have Thomas, Porter and some other young players, tons of draft picks for bench depth and enough cap space for some kind of big three. Maybe on draft night they make a play of their picks and Porter for Blake Griffin and sell their remaining picks, Isaiah Thomas, Blake Griffin and having enough cap space left over to build a super team in free agency to potential free agents.

I could see this going down for both sides when the clock is getting close to the deadline, I think both teams would do it:

Boston Celtics get:
John Wall
Marcin Gortat

Washington Wizards get:
Isaiah Thomas
David Lee
2016 Brooklyn Nets First Round Draft Pick
2016 Philadelphia 76ers Second Round Draft Pick
2018 Brooklyn Nets First Round Draft Pick
Future Memphis Grizzlies First Round Draft Pick

[tradejunkie101]

Trade #2: Suns-Raptors
Markieff Morris and PJ Tucker for Patrick Patterson and Luis Scola and the 2016 Knicks 1st round pick

The Suns are finally giving Morris the minutes to showcase himself (Hornacek firing no coincidence), so I think GMs around the league will start to remember how talented the better Morris twin is. And with a contract of only $8m per for 3 more years after this season, I expect his value to rise quickly with only 2 weeks left until the trade deadline. The inclusion of a 3&D guy like Tucker makes the overall package worth the Knicks pick. The Raptors have been crying out for quality PF minutes for a long time, and with an extra 3&D guy to buffer Carroll, this would give the Raptors a real shot against the Cavs.

since when are markieff and PJ worth a lottery pick? this has zero chance of happening. the best pick you guys could get is the clippers 2017 and we'd probably replace scola with james johnson or some other wing since we need two PF's

Since the Raptors became interested? Great to see people finally acknowledging PJ Tucker as a real value piece.

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/240665/Raptors-Interested-In-Trading-For-PJ-Tucker-Markieff-Morris

No one is getting to upgrade their team at two key spots where all they have to give up is a super late 1st. The Raptors have a serious weakness at PF and Morris would help immediately. DeMarre Carroll is injured and aging so Tucker would act as a great insurance policy, and adding another 3&D guy is always a good thing. A move like this makes a ton of sense for the Raptors.

[andyhop]

I could see this going down for both sides when the clock is getting close to the deadline, I think both teams would do it:

I can't see the Wizards opting out of the Durant stakes, unless they have been told they have no chance by him of course

[Scorpion King]

Knicks potential lottery pick is becoming valuable everyday. I dont see Masai parting that picks for Morris/Tucker.

Suns are better off holding off on Morris this season. Make him the main option and trade in offseason.

Raptors will try to get Tucker for Johnson + LA Clippers 1 pick + FILLERS

[GooniesNeverDie]

Trade #2: Suns-Raptors
Markieff Morris and PJ Tucker for Patrick Patterson and Luis Scola and the 2016 Knicks 1st round pick

The Suns are finally giving Morris the minutes to showcase himself (Hornacek firing no coincidence), so I think GMs around the league will start to remember how talented the better Morris twin is. And with a contract of only $8m per for 3 more years after this season, I expect his value to rise quickly with only 2 weeks left until the trade deadline. The inclusion of a 3&D guy like Tucker makes the overall package worth the Knicks pick. The Raptors have been crying out for quality PF minutes for a long time, and with an extra 3&D guy to buffer Carroll, this would give the Raptors a real shot against the Cavs.

since when are markieff and PJ worth a lottery pick? this has zero chance of happening. the best pick you guys could get is the clippers 2017 and we'd probably replace scola with james johnson or some other wing since we need two PF's

Since the Raptors became interested? Great to see people finally acknowledging PJ Tucker as a real value piece.

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/240665/Raptors-Interested-In-Trading-For-PJ-Tucker-Markieff-Morris

No one is getting to upgrade their team at two key spots where all they have to give up is a super late 1st. The Raptors have a serious weakness at PF and Morris would help immediately. DeMarre Carroll is injured and aging so Tucker would act as a great insurance policy, and adding another 3&D guy is always a good thing. A move like this makes a ton of sense for the Raptors.

we've been doing okay without them and they'll be back for the playoffs anyways. markieff may have been worth a lottery pick last year but his value has plummeted. not to mention he's an iso player, that takes a bunch of mid range jumpers and is average to below average defensively... we don't need any of that. we'd like to have him, sure, but not at the expense of adding a high ceiling young guy on a rookie contract.

tucker is the one we'd be interested in and he's definitely not worth a lottery pick

[tradejunkie101]

since when are markieff and PJ worth a lottery pick? this has zero chance of happening. the best pick you guys could get is the clippers 2017 and we'd probably replace scola with james johnson or some other wing since we need two PF's

Since the Raptors became interested? Great to see people finally acknowledging PJ Tucker as a real value piece.

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/240665/Raptors-Interested-In-Trading-For-PJ-Tucker-Markieff-Morris

No one is getting to upgrade their team at two key spots where all they have to give up is a super late 1st. The Raptors have a serious weakness at PF and Morris would help immediately. DeMarre Carroll is injured and aging so Tucker would act as a great insurance policy, and adding another 3&D guy is always a good thing. A move like this makes a ton of sense for the Raptors.

we've been doing okay without them and they'll be back for the playoffs anyways. markieff may have been worth a lottery pick last year but his value has plummeted. not to mention he's an iso player, that takes a bunch of mid range jumpers and is average to below average defensively... we don't need any of that. we'd like to have him, sure, but not at the expense of adding a high ceiling young guy on a rookie contract.

tucker is the one we'd be interested in and he's definitely not worth a lottery pick

That's funny cause Tucker is the one who has more value right now. If you can acknowledge Morris was worth a lottery pick a few years ago then you must also acknowledge his talent. I don't know why you keep on insisting he's an iso only player. He's not. He has it in his locker but if you have a system in place Morris can function just fine. Because what the Raptors are playing at PF right now is kind of laughable. I know you're 2nd in the east but that doesn't mean you stand a chance against the Cavs in the playoffs. Even if you want to play Carroll at PF that would mean Terrance Ross is getting minutes, which is rarely a good thing.

I just think the combined talent spike the Raptors would get from Morris+Tucker gives this team a serious upgrade that's worth the Knicks pick. Any serious upgrade and teams are going to require that Knicks pick. If you can do a deal that doesn't require the Knicks pick, then what's the point? It clearly won't move the needle for this team anyway, so just stick with what you have.

[the_process]

PHI gets Ross, Scola, Booker, and Wright
PHX gets Patterson, LAL 1st via PHI, and TOR 1st
TOR gets Kieff, Covington, Landry, and Stauskas

[Dcebucks11]

PHI gets Ross, Scola, Booker, and Wright
PHX gets Patterson, LAL 1st via PHI, and TOR 1st
TOR gets Kieff, Covington, Landry, and Stauskas

PHX won't do that with Booker looking so good