Sacramento early offseason in review (HW/bondom34/dbrandon/Slava)

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Grade the Sacramento offseason

A
3
6%
A-
1
2%
B+
2
4%
B
8
15%
B-
7
13%
C+
3
6%
C
4
7%
C-
11
20%
D
10
19%
F
5
9%
 
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Re: Sacramento early offseason in review (HW/bondom34/dbrandon/Slava) 

Post#61 » by giberish » Tue Aug 23, 2016 7:40 am

RipPizzaGuy wrote:
Barnes>>James Anderson
Tolliver>Acy (as a stretch 4)
Afflalo>>>Belinelli
Air>Rondo
Joerger>>>>Karl

None or are players are old were we should expect a dip in production. Cousins and WCS will only get better. So the way I see it we upgraded the team in the now and brought in Bogdan/Papa/Skal/Richardson for the future.


Barnes > James Anderson - but with Gay and Casippi already at SF it might not matter much.
Tolliver > Acy -> Sure
Afflalo = Belinelli -> both are bad. 10th men at best, if you're desperate for SG help.
Air << Rondo -> Not that Rondo's that good, but he is a viable NBA rotation PG. Right now the team is set up to collapse whenever Collison sits (and especially if/when he misses a few games). You'd think that if the FO thought this was a problem they would have done something about it already, but I haven't even heard a statement about getting another PG, much less action.
Joerger >> Karl -> Certainly for the Kings at this time. Really the main hope for big improvement as I don't see the roster as being upgraded much given the backcourt issues.
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Re: Sacramento early offseason in review (HW/bondom34/dbrandon/Slava) 

Post#62 » by LightTheBeam » Tue Aug 23, 2016 1:39 pm

giberish wrote:
RipPizzaGuy wrote:
Barnes>>James Anderson
Tolliver>Acy (as a stretch 4)
Afflalo>>>Belinelli
Air>Rondo
Joerger>>>>Karl

None or are players are old were we should expect a dip in production. Cousins and WCS will only get better. So the way I see it we upgraded the team in the now and brought in Bogdan/Papa/Skal/Richardson for the future.


Barnes > James Anderson - but with Gay and Casippi already at SF it might not matter much.
Tolliver > Acy -> Sure
Afflalo = Belinelli -> both are bad. 10th men at best, if you're desperate for SG help.
Air << Rondo -> Not that Rondo's that good, but he is a viable NBA rotation PG. Right now the team is set up to collapse whenever Collison sits (and especially if/when he misses a few games). You'd think that if the FO thought this was a problem they would have done something about it already, but I haven't even heard a statement about getting another PG, much less action.
Joerger >> Karl -> Certainly for the Kings at this time. Really the main hope for big improvement as I don't see the roster as being upgraded much given the backcourt issues.


I disagree about Barnes not making a difference because Casspi and GAY are on the roster. Last year Anderson played 15mpg in 50 games, he killed us everytime he saw the floor. Just an absolute terrible basketball player. Even if you just factor Barnes in for those minutes (which he will play more with the ability to slide 2-4) it's a huge upgrade.

I think your assessment of afflalo is just not true. 10th man? There's a reason that he keeps getting picked up year after year to be a starter or 6th man, he's a respectable scorer and averages 38.5% from 3 for his career. He also brings size to the position which creates mismatches when going against smaller guys who he can post easily. Certainly isn't the defender he once was but he is much more passable than Belinelli and will do just fine in Joergers system.

I also disagree about Rondo, that guy is just trash. He made everyones job harder by allowing defenses to double team cousins nightly and dont get me started on his defense i think at this point Calderon is a better defender. it's pretty obvious that the team knows they need a pg. I'm actually pretty happy the haven't rushed or panicked and went after a sessions type player. There's still plenty of passable backup guys in free agency and not rushing allows us to explore trades the next 2 months.

The coaching upgrade is huge and by far our biggest upgrade. As I mentioned in the past I'm expecting that difference alone to adjust our win loss 5-7 games minimum. We were 21-21 trending way up last season before the team basically quit on Karl, and it wasn't just Cousins it was nearly the entire team. Our team is designed to grit and grind and having Cousins run up the court non stop chasing Rondo and getting the ball on the 3pt line was mismanagement at its finest.

The most important thing is looking at the entire team composition. Last year the roster made no sense, we had no opening day power forward which basically meant playing 2 centers at once. Rondo/Gay/Koufos/Cousins was a disaster spacing wise for a team that wanted to run non stop. Now we have shooting in the back court with Collison/Afflalo. We know WCS will be our starting power forward. Our bench looks entirely more established and won't be losing us games. Do we have a backup PG problem? Absolutely, but the season doesn't start for 2 1/2 months so for now I have to give that part of the roster an incomplete. If we open the season with Collison/Cousins at pg then it will be a failure but I can't judge until I see the full picture and aside from pg I'm pretty happy with what we did.
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Re: Sacramento early offseason in review (HW/bondom34/dbrandon/Slava) 

Post#63 » by giberish » Tue Aug 23, 2016 4:10 pm

RipPizzaGuy wrote:
giberish wrote:
RipPizzaGuy wrote:
Barnes>>James Anderson
Tolliver>Acy (as a stretch 4)
Afflalo>>>Belinelli
Air>Rondo
Joerger>>>>Karl

None or are players are old were we should expect a dip in production. Cousins and WCS will only get better. So the way I see it we upgraded the team in the now and brought in Bogdan/Papa/Skal/Richardson for the future.


Barnes > James Anderson - but with Gay and Casippi already at SF it might not matter much.
Tolliver > Acy -> Sure
Afflalo = Belinelli -> both are bad. 10th men at best, if you're desperate for SG help.
Air << Rondo -> Not that Rondo's that good, but he is a viable NBA rotation PG. Right now the team is set up to collapse whenever Collison sits (and especially if/when he misses a few games). You'd think that if the FO thought this was a problem they would have done something about it already, but I haven't even heard a statement about getting another PG, much less action.
Joerger >> Karl -> Certainly for the Kings at this time. Really the main hope for big improvement as I don't see the roster as being upgraded much given the backcourt issues.


I disagree about Barnes not making a difference because Casspi and GAY are on the roster. Last year Anderson played 15mpg in 50 games, he killed us everytime he saw the floor. Just an absolute terrible basketball player. Even if you just factor Barnes in for those minutes (which he will play more with the ability to slide 2-4) it's a huge upgrade.

I think your assessment of afflalo is just not true. 10th man? There's a reason that he keeps getting picked up year after year to be a starter or 6th man, he's a respectable scorer and averages 38.5% from 3 for his career. He also brings size to the position which creates mismatches when going against smaller guys who he can post easily. Certainly isn't the defender he once was but he is much more passable than Belinelli and will do just fine in Joergers system.

I also disagree about Rondo, that guy is just trash. He made everyones job harder by allowing defenses to double team cousins nightly and dont get me started on his defense i think at this point Calderon is a better defender. it's pretty obvious that the team knows they need a pg. I'm actually pretty happy the haven't rushed or panicked and went after a sessions type player. There's still plenty of passable backup guys in free agency and not rushing allows us to explore trades the next 2 months.

The coaching upgrade is huge and by far our biggest upgrade. As I mentioned in the past I'm expecting that difference alone to adjust our win loss 5-7 games minimum. We were 21-21 trending way up last season before the team basically quit on Karl, and it wasn't just Cousins it was nearly the entire team. Our team is designed to grit and grind and having Cousins run up the court non stop chasing Rondo and getting the ball on the 3pt line was mismanagement at its finest.

The most important thing is looking at the entire team composition. Last year the roster made no sense, we had no opening day power forward which basically meant playing 2 centers at once. Rondo/Gay/Koufos/Cousins was a disaster spacing wise for a team that wanted to run non stop. Now we have shooting in the back court with Collison/Afflalo. We know WCS will be our starting power forward. Our bench looks entirely more established and won't be losing us games. Do we have a backup PG problem? Absolutely, but the season doesn't start for 2 1/2 months so for now I have to give that part of the roster an incomplete. If we open the season with Collison/Cousins at pg then it will be a failure but I can't judge until I see the full picture and aside from pg I'm pretty happy with what we did.


Everyone thinks Afflalo's decent until he plays for them. Knick fans last year thought the same thing going into the season. Prepare to be disappointed.

IMO you're overreacting to Rondo being a disappointment to consider him that bad. He still gets some star type hype but just isn't that good, but there's a difference between not having star type impact and being useless. It's the opposite of how fan bases can overrate a min salary player who does anything useful at all.
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Re: Sacramento early offseason in review (HW/bondom34/dbrandon/Slava) 

Post#64 » by SacSanity » Fri Aug 26, 2016 8:09 pm

Just want to give, what I think to be the correct, depth chart:

Current Depth Chart:
PG: Darren Collison, Garret Temple
SG: Arron Afflalo, Ben McLemore, Malachi Richardson, Lamar Patterson
SF: Rudy Gay, Omri Casspi Matt Barnes
PF: Willie Cauley-Stein, Anthony Tolliver, Skal Labissiere
C: DeMarcus Cousins, Kosta Koufos, Georgios Papagiannis

Some key notes:

--Gay and Casspi will most likely see some time on at the PF spot leaving more time for Barnes at SF.
--I wouldn't be surprised to see a move maybe involvoing Koufos for a backup PG.
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Re: Sacramento early offseason in review (HW/bondom34/dbrandon/Slava) 

Post#65 » by HartfordWhalers » Fri Aug 26, 2016 8:30 pm

HartfordWhalers wrote:
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The room exception is still there.

If we can't pull off a trade, may as well take a buy low gamble on someone like Lawson, if he'll take it.

But without doing anything else, we are in deep dodo man. I seriously think we could be under 30 wins even if healthy if not. The need is that great.


Taking a flier on Lawson would be worth it. Or trading for a 2nd or 3rd-stringer from a team that has a bunch of guards. BMac's fairly expendable and some team in need of SG help might be willing to take a flier on him.


Lawson has too much baggage for him to be worth it imo. And yes, I said I would have offered a 6m 1 year deal to Waiters.

Kendall Marshall gets cut in under 10 days. He should be available for the min. Also, depending roster spots I would sign Mario Chalmers right now and if he comes back in March he comes back in March.

Unless Koufos or Gay get traded before the season starts, the backup pg spot is going to take Lamar Patterson's spot. To have Chalmers as a third stringer would require an extra body cut.


And 2 days until Marshall clears waivers
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Re: Sacramento early offseason in review (HW/bondom34/dbrandon/Slava) 

Post#66 » by becorz » Sat Aug 27, 2016 5:05 am

HartfordWhalers wrote:
HartfordWhalers wrote:
dbrandon wrote:
Taking a flier on Lawson would be worth it. Or trading for a 2nd or 3rd-stringer from a team that has a bunch of guards. BMac's fairly expendable and some team in need of SG help might be willing to take a flier on him.


Lawson has too much baggage for him to be worth it imo. And yes, I said I would have offered a 6m 1 year deal to Waiters.

Kendall Marshall gets cut in under 10 days. He should be available for the min. Also, depending roster spots I would sign Mario Chalmers right now and if he comes back in March he comes back in March.

Unless Koufos or Gay get traded before the season starts, the backup pg spot is going to take Lamar Patterson's spot. To have Chalmers as a third stringer would require an extra body cut.


And 2 days until Marshall clears waivers

Aren't Isaiah Cousins and Lamar Patterson competing for the 15th spot? The team seems to like the second Cousins, I am not sure they would cut him for the likes of Chalmers/Marshall. But I hope they do because the team really needs a better backup PG.
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Post#67 » by HartfordWhalers » Sat Aug 27, 2016 5:22 am

becorz wrote:
HartfordWhalers wrote:
HartfordWhalers wrote:
Lawson has too much baggage for him to be worth it imo. And yes, I said I would have offered a 6m 1 year deal to Waiters.

Kendall Marshall gets cut in under 10 days. He should be available for the min. Also, depending roster spots I would sign Mario Chalmers right now and if he comes back in March he comes back in March.

Unless Koufos or Gay get traded before the season starts, the backup pg spot is going to take Lamar Patterson's spot. To have Chalmers as a third stringer would require an extra body cut.


And 2 days until Marshall clears waivers

Aren't Isaiah Cousins and Lamar Patterson competing for the 15th spot? The team seems to like the second Cousins, I am not sure they would cut him for the likes of Chalmers/Marshall. But I hope they do because the team really needs a better backup PG.


As of right now, Cousins is not signed.
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Re: Sacramento early offseason in review (HW/bondom34/dbrandon/Slava) 

Post#68 » by Sheva7 » Sat Aug 27, 2016 5:43 am

HartfordWhalers wrote:
becorz wrote:
HartfordWhalers wrote:
And 2 days until Marshall clears waivers

Aren't Isaiah Cousins and Lamar Patterson competing for the 15th spot? The team seems to like the second Cousins, I am not sure they would cut him for the likes of Chalmers/Marshall. But I hope they do because the team really needs a better backup PG.


As of right now, Cousins is not signed.

Can't we just sign cousins directly to our d league team if we find another PG?
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Post#69 » by LightTheBeam » Sat Aug 27, 2016 5:47 am

giberish wrote:
RipPizzaGuy wrote:
giberish wrote:
Barnes > James Anderson - but with Gay and Casippi already at SF it might not matter much.
Tolliver > Acy -> Sure
Afflalo = Belinelli -> both are bad. 10th men at best, if you're desperate for SG help.
Air << Rondo -> Not that Rondo's that good, but he is a viable NBA rotation PG. Right now the team is set up to collapse whenever Collison sits (and especially if/when he misses a few games). You'd think that if the FO thought this was a problem they would have done something about it already, but I haven't even heard a statement about getting another PG, much less action.
Joerger >> Karl -> Certainly for the Kings at this time. Really the main hope for big improvement as I don't see the roster as being upgraded much given the backcourt issues.


I disagree about Barnes not making a difference because Casspi and GAY are on the roster. Last year Anderson played 15mpg in 50 games, he killed us everytime he saw the floor. Just an absolute terrible basketball player. Even if you just factor Barnes in for those minutes (which he will play more with the ability to slide 2-4) it's a huge upgrade.

I think your assessment of afflalo is just not true. 10th man? There's a reason that he keeps getting picked up year after year to be a starter or 6th man, he's a respectable scorer and averages 38.5% from 3 for his career. He also brings size to the position which creates mismatches when going against smaller guys who he can post easily. Certainly isn't the defender he once was but he is much more passable than Belinelli and will do just fine in Joergers system.

I also disagree about Rondo, that guy is just trash. He made everyones job harder by allowing defenses to double team cousins nightly and dont get me started on his defense i think at this point Calderon is a better defender. it's pretty obvious that the team knows they need a pg. I'm actually pretty happy the haven't rushed or panicked and went after a sessions type player. There's still plenty of passable backup guys in free agency and not rushing allows us to explore trades the next 2 months.

The coaching upgrade is huge and by far our biggest upgrade. As I mentioned in the past I'm expecting that difference alone to adjust our win loss 5-7 games minimum. We were 21-21 trending way up last season before the team basically quit on Karl, and it wasn't just Cousins it was nearly the entire team. Our team is designed to grit and grind and having Cousins run up the court non stop chasing Rondo and getting the ball on the 3pt line was mismanagement at its finest.

The most important thing is looking at the entire team composition. Last year the roster made no sense, we had no opening day power forward which basically meant playing 2 centers at once. Rondo/Gay/Koufos/Cousins was a disaster spacing wise for a team that wanted to run non stop. Now we have shooting in the back court with Collison/Afflalo. We know WCS will be our starting power forward. Our bench looks entirely more established and won't be losing us games. Do we have a backup PG problem? Absolutely, but the season doesn't start for 2 1/2 months so for now I have to give that part of the roster an incomplete. If we open the season with Collison/Cousins at pg then it will be a failure but I can't judge until I see the full picture and aside from pg I'm pretty happy with what we did.


Everyone thinks Afflalo's decent until he plays for them. Knick fans last year thought the same thing going into the season. Prepare to be disappointed.

IMO you're overreacting to Rondo being a disappointment to consider him that bad. He still gets some star type hype but just isn't that good, but there's a difference between not having star type impact and being useless. It's the opposite of how fan bases can overrate a min salary player who does anything useful at all.

In no way am I hyping afflalo up as great. I'll tell you that he sure is a hell of a lot better than what we had last year. Also on the Knicks he was considered the #2 option coming into the season and then ultimately a #3 once porzingas came, but on an iso team. For us he will be used much differently were going to play inside out, he will get post opportunities, spot up shots, and he will be a 4th option even in the starting lineup. Players thrive in situations, afflalo certainly isn't that bad.

I don't think Rondo is completely useless overall, he's just completely useless on the kings. He really hurts Cousins and Gays game, we also don't have nearly enough spacing to make him work. He's a liability on offense when the ball isn't in his hands and on defense he's terrible. Addition by subtraction.

People need to realize that team composition can really affect an individuals contribution. It isn't always as cut and dry as are they good or not? They can be bad due to fit on one team bit help another team win.

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Re: Sacramento early offseason in review (HW/bondom34/dbrandon/Slava) 

Post#70 » by HartfordWhalers » Sat Aug 27, 2016 5:54 am

Sheva7 wrote:
HartfordWhalers wrote:
becorz wrote:Aren't Isaiah Cousins and Lamar Patterson competing for the 15th spot? The team seems to like the second Cousins, I am not sure they would cut him for the likes of Chalmers/Marshall. But I hope they do because the team really needs a better backup PG.


As of right now, Cousins is not signed.

Can't we just sign cousins directly to our d league team if we find another PG?


So, the team needs to offer him a 1 year unguaranteed contract to keep his rights. If he signs that contract (or any other official contract), then he needs to take up one of the team's 15 roster spots or be cut. If cut and it is at the end of training camp, they have the right to claim him for their d league team. However, if he is cut he can go where he pleases and is a free agent available to all teams.

If instead he chooses not to sign the 1 year tender and never signs any contract, then Sacremento could keep his exclusive rights while he plays in the dleague (or Europe).

We see one or two guys do that a year now, with the thought that they have a better chance of being signed by the team that drafted them if they have exclusive rights then they would by all 30 teams if they forced the issue and got cut becoming a free agent; becoming domestic stash candidates. However it is still pretty rare, and there have been instances of guys regretting it and not being able to play in the NBA because the one team with their rights isn't the one that wants to sign them.
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Re: Sacramento early offseason in review (HW/bondom34/dbrandon/Slava) 

Post#71 » by Sheva7 » Sat Aug 27, 2016 6:18 am

HartfordWhalers wrote:
Sheva7 wrote:
HartfordWhalers wrote:
As of right now, Cousins is not signed.

Can't we just sign cousins directly to our d league team if we find another PG?


So, the team needs to offer him a 1 year unguaranteed contract to keep his rights. If he signs that contract (or any other official contract), then he needs to take up one of the team's 15 roster spots or be cut. If cut and it is at the end of training camp, they have the right to claim him for their d league team. However, if he is cut he can go where he pleases and is a free agent available to all teams.

If instead he chooses not to sign the 1 year tender and never signs any contract, then Sacremento could keep his exclusive rights while he plays in the dleague (or Europe).

We see one or two guys do that a year now, with the thought that they have a better chance of being signed by the team that drafted them if they have exclusive rights then they would by all 30 teams if they forced the issue and got cut becoming a free agent; becoming domestic stash candidates. However it is still pretty rare, and there have been instances of guys regretting it and not being able to play in the NBA because the one team with their rights isn't the one that wants to sign them.

Thanks for the info! But according to the draft rights player rule we can decline to offer him a NBA contract and sign him to a d league contract which automatically puts him on our d league team. Am I missing something that makes this not an option?
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Sheva7 wrote:
HartfordWhalers wrote:
Sheva7 wrote:Can't we just sign cousins directly to our d league team if we find another PG?


So, the team needs to offer him a 1 year unguaranteed contract to keep his rights. If he signs that contract (or any other official contract), then he needs to take up one of the team's 15 roster spots or be cut. If cut and it is at the end of training camp, they have the right to claim him for their d league team. However, if he is cut he can go where he pleases and is a free agent available to all teams.

If instead he chooses not to sign the 1 year tender and never signs any contract, then Sacremento could keep his exclusive rights while he plays in the dleague (or Europe).

We see one or two guys do that a year now, with the thought that they have a better chance of being signed by the team that drafted them if they have exclusive rights then they would by all 30 teams if they forced the issue and got cut becoming a free agent; becoming domestic stash candidates. However it is still pretty rare, and there have been instances of guys regretting it and not being able to play in the NBA because the one team with their rights isn't the one that wants to sign them.

Thanks for the info! But according to the draft rights player rule we can decline to offer him a NBA contract and sign him to a d league contract which automatically puts him on our d league team. Am I missing something that makes this not an option?


That is not a rule. Teams are required to give contract offers to both 1st and 2nd round picks if they want to keep their rights. The date changes every year as the calendar is set, but for this year it is:

September 6 Second round draft picks become free agents if not given a required tender


For 1st rounders it was:
July 16 First round draft picks become free agents if not given a required tender
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Re: RE: Re: Sacramento early offseason in review (HW/bondom34/dbrandon/Slava) 

Post#73 » by Texas Chuck » Sat Aug 27, 2016 1:44 pm

RipPizzaGuy wrote:In no way am I hyping afflalo up as great. I'll tell you that he sure is a hell of a lot better than what we had last year. Also on the Knicks he was considered the #2 option coming into the season and then ultimately a #3 once porzingas came, but on an iso team. For us he will be used much differently were going to play inside out, he will get post opportunities, spot up shots, and he will be a 4th option even in the starting lineup. Players thrive in situations, afflalo certainly isn't that bad.

I don't think Rondo is completely useless overall, he's just completely useless on the kings. He really hurts Cousins and Gays game, we also don't have nearly enough spacing to make him work. He's a liability on offense when the ball isn't in his hands and on defense he's terrible. Addition by subtraction.

People need to realize that team composition can really affect an individuals contribution. It isn't always as cut and dry as are they good or not? They can be bad due to fit on one team bit help another team win.




I'd tend to agree that Afflalo should be better for the Kings than Rondo would have been. He should be a steady voice in the locker room and if he can shoot his career percentage from 3 while defending better than Belli he's going to be a help. And obviously getting teh culture corrected has to be paramount. Removing Karl helps. As does removing Rondo.

Just really wish the Kings could turn Koufos into a quality backup PG.
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Re: Sacramento early offseason in review (HW/bondom34/dbrandon/Slava) 

Post#74 » by Kings2013 » Sat Aug 27, 2016 7:15 pm

Slava wrote:
Kings2013 wrote:Slava - The owners tempo pace is unsubstantiated and there is no evidence of its current role. Karl was not a fit, for many reasons other than the organization, and one of the main reasons was pace didn't fit our personnel. Hence Joerger. The team will be trying a more half court look off Cousins on the block with shooting around him, hence why Collison fits as a off ball, spacing guard. Skal will need to gain muscle to play PF, there is zero center to him


I'm more or less going by what I read when they signed Karl and more recently by Lowe after the Joerger hiring

Kings owner Vivek Ranadivé wants to play fast, but it seemed that the Kings were hurtling out of control last season -- running for the sake of running, while sacrificing Cousins' power game and their own already dismal transition defense.


http://abcnews.go.com/Sports/kings-made-call-dave-joerger/story?id=38995322


The one thing though I agreed with was that Gay/Casspi at times looked fluid last year and might be a full time answer this year. I guess it depends on camp and coaching vision. WCS might benifit from another year of watching as a reserve

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Casspi/Gay
Cousins

Offers advantages and spacing around Cousins. Gay looks in top shape and in interviews is coming with a chip on his shoulder. No point in trading him just for change if the value isn't right, I just hope that bridge isn't in ashes
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Re: Sacramento early offseason in review (HW/bondom34/dbrandon/Slava) 

Post#75 » by basketballwacko2 » Sat Aug 27, 2016 9:13 pm

I gave them a C-. Their moves seemed chaotic at best. Trading Belinelli for a #1 was a good move, I like the kid they got Richardson. Dumping George Karl good move. Then picking Papaginnis at 13 was a shocker, getting Skal at 28 was worth the risk. The trade down from 8 to 13 should bring more than the #28 pick. The signings only the coach is a good signing. Affloalo is not worth $12.5 million but the 2nd year gtd at $1.5 makes it easier to swallow. Temple for $8 million a yr seems to be a reach, he might earn that who knows? Same for Tolliver. Matt Barnes is an average signing.

I don't feel good about these moves as a whole.
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Re: Sacramento early offseason in review (HW/bondom34/dbrandon/Slava) 

Post#76 » by Mystical Apples » Sat Aug 27, 2016 10:07 pm

Was tempted to give them an F but assigned a D for adding Joeger with the understanding Boogie will get moved. Big picture I don't see focus or direction. On 1 hand they're holding onto Boogie and signing nice but meh 30-ish veterans, on the other accumulating prospects who won't be ready for years, if ever.

The Belinelli and PHX trades were solid but SAC missed opportunities. The aggregated pick # for Papagiannis, Richardson, and Skal was 55 with a consensus grade closer to ~ 130. Maybe defensible in isolation, as a group disappointing reaches with better prospects sitting right there.

Also troubling are indications the FO lacks modern basketball awareness. For example most team have 1 or 2 rotation players - 3 at the most - that are bottom quartile positional passers.....SAC incredibly had 6. Yet they let their 2 best passers go, added Richardson, and are left with just 1 NBA PG who could get suspended.
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Re: Sacramento early offseason in review (HW/bondom34/dbrandon/Slava) 

Post#77 » by Sheva7 » Sun Aug 28, 2016 6:17 am

basketballwacko2 wrote:The trade down from 8 to 13 should bring more than the #28 pick.

It did. 8 for 13, 28, future 2nd, and the rights to bogdanovic who could easily be the best player in this deal.
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Re: Sacramento early offseason in review (HW/bondom34/dbrandon/Slava) 

Post#78 » by Sheva7 » Sun Aug 28, 2016 6:19 am

Mystical Apples wrote:Was tempted to give them an F but assigned a D for adding Joeger with the understanding Boogie will get moved.

What? Cousins is not going to be moved.
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Re: Sacramento early offseason in review (HW/bondom34/dbrandon/Slava) 

Post#79 » by biltalent » Sun Aug 28, 2016 6:23 am

I agree with a lot thas has been said in here. In a vacuum all the individual moves are fine with me. But the big picture doesn't add up.
Going into the off season the Kings had a few specific issues:
1. Competent veteran guard depth for this season. With Rondo gone, Collison facing a suspension and only Mclemore under contract the Kings neither have a starting PG nor a starting SG.
2. Young talent for the future. The Kings still owe their 2017 first rounder to the Bulls if they finish outside the top ten and their 2019 first rounder to the sixers.

The key idea that would drive done any grade I want to give is "opportunity cost". This off season the team had the chance to turn it around and fix the issues stated above.

Draft:
It started very promising with the draft: dealing Belinelli for the #22 pick was amazing and then getting #13, #28, rights to Bogdanovic and a secound round for #8 was another good move for this franchise that is short on future assets/young talent.
In hindsight I would have loved for the Kings to try to get into the Hill/Teague/#12 trade and convince Atlanta to take the #13 pick and f.e. Mclemore (or Koufos/secound rounders/#28) for George Hill. Of course no one knows if that would be possible because the trade happened earlier but I wonder if the Kings could have tried to get Atlanta to hold up that deal a bit.
After that you could have still taken Skal at #22 and a young point guard like Ulis at #28 to grow behind Hill/Collison. That way you would have added a starting level PG and two or three promising young guys in Skal, Bogdanovic and Ulis.
Early Draft grade: C+

Free Agency:
The Afflalo deal is fine and I even like that deal better then Courtney Lee for 4 years guaranteed.
I like the Temple signing because he is a very versatile defender and a good lockerroom guy. I don't quite get the Tolliver deal and deciding to let Curry walk for the chance to sign Barnes is questionable as well even though I like Barnes for this team. Looking back I wouldn't change much. I would still sign Afflalo but would not have signed Tolliver and one of Temple/Barnes. Instead I would bring Curry and Acy back and stay under the cap for a possible Cousins extention/restructuring or to absorb other contracts (f.e. Calderon).
Early FA grade: C+

All in all grade: C+
Overall I think the offseason was okay. The Kings avoided screwing up and if they somehow can get a decent point guard they can have a solid season. But this off season had the chance to finally get the Kings on the right track. They had the chance of a starting lineup of Hill-Afflalo-Gay-Cauley-Stein-Cousins with a second unit of Collison-Curry-Temple-Casspi-Koufos and 3 young prospects to develop in Skal, Bogdanovic and Ulis. With Joerger as HC this could have competed for the 8th seed and then hoped for Skal and Bogdanovic to pan out and take them to the next level.
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Re: Sacramento early offseason in review (HW/bondom34/dbrandon/Slava) 

Post#80 » by Sheva7 » Sun Aug 28, 2016 6:37 am

To the people saying we should have tried to trade for hill, looking at it now it's easy to see how that probably would have been better. The problem is that the draft was so unpredictable. We probably would have taken any of the players drafted before us. So the combination of one of them possibly falling and vlade also trying to trade up to draft Dunn made it too late for that deal.

I also want to add that some people don't understand the Barnes signing. It was because of several reasons. Barnes is from sac and wanted to come back. Joerger loved him last year and said he held the team together. Cousins has wanted to play with him for years. He also is known as a great teammate and brings the toughness and defense that we want to build our team on.


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