Minnesota early offseason in review (HW/bondom34/dbrandon/Slava/Klomp)

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Grade the Minnesota offseason

A
17
33%
A-
13
25%
B+
12
23%
B
5
10%
B-
3
6%
C+
0
No votes
C
1
2%
C-
0
No votes
D
1
2%
F
0
No votes
 
Total votes: 52

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Re: Minnesota early offseason in review (HW/bondom34/dbrandon/Slava/Klomp) 

Post#61 » by breatnach » Mon Sep 26, 2016 6:56 am

Laimbeer wrote:Is Thibs that much of a coup? I heard a lot of negative and positive about the guy. Dunn was nice value and the free agent signings don't seem like anything special. B- seems plenty fair.


Thibs on a blank canvas is already a pretty good signing. But Thibs taking over from Sam Mitchell makes it a great signing.

I think Chicago would gladly take Thibs back if they could. The main point of criticism was him running his better players into the ground. While there might be some truth to that, it was his first coaching gig and theres a good chance he's changed that aspect of his team handling. Ultimately, Chicago (and Boston) got worse when he left.
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Re: Minnesota early offseason in review (HW/bondom34/dbrandon/Slava/Klomp) 

Post#62 » by Texas Chuck » Mon Sep 26, 2016 2:59 pm

breatnach wrote:
Laimbeer wrote:Is Thibs that much of a coup? I heard a lot of negative and positive about the guy. Dunn was nice value and the free agent signings don't seem like anything special. B- seems plenty fair.


Thibs on a blank canvas is already a pretty good signing. But Thibs taking over from Sam Mitchell makes it a great signing.

I think Chicago would gladly take Thibs back if they could. The main point of criticism was him running his better players into the ground. While there might be some truth to that, it was his first coaching gig and theres a good chance he's changed that aspect of his team handling. Ultimately, Chicago (and Boston) got worse when he left.



I think Thibs was a really good hire for the Wolves. I'm not sold on him being a great head coach, but even if he comes in and gets the best players committed to defense before leaving to let the guy who can take them all the way comes in, he will have been worth it.

But Boston also got worse because their players were aging and injured a lot. Not sure Thibs leaving was a huge factor there. And in Chicago, Rose and Noah became shells of themselves, Boozer and Deng left. Again the roster was a much more significant factor in their decline than Thibs leaving.
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Re: Minnesota early offseason in review (HW/bondom34/dbrandon/Slava/Klomp) 

Post#63 » by shrink » Sat Oct 1, 2016 8:05 pm

The issue I would have liked to have seen stressed in this thread was the deals that Thibs didn't do. Most of us understand that Thibs was the top coaching candidate this off-season, with his defensive prowess, Olympics experience, and ability to get the most from his talent. With a Timberwolves team geared for the future, few off-season acquisitions, player or coach, could help so many players on this team as Thibs as a coach. However, he also became the Wolves GM, and that was foreign ground.

Thibs made free agent offers to three vets to improve the team, Pau Gasol, Courtney Lee, and Luol Deng, but all three went elsewhere:

Gasol to SA (2 yrs, $33)
Lee to NYK (4 yrs, $48)
Deng to LAL (4 yrs, $72)

Lee will be 34 when his four year deal ends, Deng 35, and Pau is 36 already. Thibs offers were for only two years (Deng had a partial guarantee on a third).

Thibs is known as a win-now coach, but GM's often have to look at the longterm picture. I give him great credit for not matching or exceeding these offers as a GM (maybe there isn't even enough money to get Gasol to come!). Instead, in an off-season with giant contracts, he got Cole Aldrich on a great deal (3 years for $22 - last year a team option), and cheap, one year deals on Jordan Hill and Brandon Rush.

Next summer, with Garnett gone and Pekovic potentially medically retired, they could have $50 million in cap space. They have now added a respected coach to an incredibly talented young core, who will now have one more year more experience. They may even flirt with the playoffs this season. MIN has set itself up to be a far more attractive free agent destination than ever before. Thibs 2-year offers would have put the free agency push at 2018, but matching four year deals would have meant 2020, when several of their rookie scale youth would be on their first big contract. Many GM's would have matched or bid higher to win more games now, especially coach/gms, and this was a concern of mine.

Every team should improve each season. You get to add a draft pick. Some bad contracts expire. You may add players In free agency. However, in the dangerous summer of 2016, I think many teams didn't keep up - or even hurt their futures. I know it's hard to improve an off-season grade because of deals that didn't happen, but the Wolves front office seems to have done an excellent job improving the team now and in the future because of their restraint in matching some very long contracts on some older players.
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