Middleton's Current Trade Value

[Texas Chuck]

I just don't like this thread at all. It might as well be titled, "Make a lowball offer for Khris Middleton."

Except none of the posts before yours was remotely that. It really ticks me off that you take this attitude in every Bucks thread. You create teh vibe you claim to be against.

Props to all the posts itt by Bucks fans and others showing how to have a worthy discussion on a topic. Terrific thread with great tone.

[Prez]

I think Middleton has the potential to be one of those late blooming star players if he can get his health together. He's got it all, he can create his own shot, he's got a handle, passes, can defend multiple positions, finishes in the paint and has a great 3pt shot.

Why in the hell trade him? He's a perfect fit next to Giannis.

These have been my thoughts for a while now, he has all the tools to be one of those late blooming stars kinda like a Kyle Lowry. It's just his damn health, if he can get back to top shape I think he has all the tools to be a 22/5/5 plus type guy. I mean, after a slow first 10-15 games or so in 2015-16 he was already around 20/5/5.

If he's in top shape you don't trade him, period. It all comes down to the hamstring and if that has any long-term effects on his speed/athleticism.

[TTP]

Would pretty happily give up the Sixers 1st this year for Middleton top 3 protected (or just trading a pick in the 4+ range post-lottery). Might even be willing to add to that.

[coolness]

Trade Jabari Parker not Middleton.

EDIT: I assume Middleton is a perfect fit for any team in the NBA. How many teams would Jabari fit on? Would the whole offense have to geared towards him? If so, would an injury or just the 15 minutes on the bench per game be overly difficult?

[AussieBuck]

Trade Jabari Parker not Middleton.

Yeah would take a massive overpay for me to want to part with Mids. Parker well I don't have a lot of faith in that working out but he's a great kid. Wouldn't be against giving him a fresh start.

[wablty]

Aldrich, Dunn, pick six for Telly, Middleton, Henson, pick 17 ?

I think this seems fairly close to a realistic deal. I'd have personally preferred to try to use the 6th to shore up the 4, but Middleton's game might be too nice of a fit in the wing rotation since he can play with both Wiggins and LaVine when he's healthy.

[wablty]

Trade Jabari Parker not Middleton.

Yeah would take a massive overpay for me to want to part with Mids. Parker well I don't have a lot of faith in that working out but he's a great kid. Wouldn't be against giving him a fresh start.

I'd probably try to do the same thing were I in Milwaukee's shoes, but I think that at this point Parker might be approaching "injury prone". Putting a value on him right now would be difficult.

[FNQ]

Trade Jabari Parker not Middleton.

Yeah would take a massive overpay for me to want to part with Mids. Parker well I don't have a lot of faith in that working out but he's a great kid. Wouldn't be against giving him a fresh start.

I agree here too. But Parker's value has to be torched at this point.. what does he return in a trade? Probably a lesser value than a healthy Parker would provide the Bucks. Tough situation there.

I think Middleton's only a sell candidate if complements another move AND its a great value. For example, Parker and Delly get moved for a pure shooter at SG. Now Middleton moving becomes viable though still unlikely. And it allows the Bucks to move on from him if a sweetheart deal gets offered.

But as far as his current trade value goes, I'd have to say mid lotto right now. We know he's good, the problem is the injury history and if you are willing to bank on it going forward.

[brackdan70]

I have always liked him. a great 2 way player and the impact he had on the bucks success is significant. Bucks should hang onto this dude IMO. oh yeah, team friendly contract as well.

That said if he is on the block I don't think he is worth a top 3 pick in this draft, but definite worth a top 10 and another decent asset.

If I were Danny Ainge I would think about Brown, pick #36, 2018 Brooklyn pick and Zeller (non guarantee contract for 2018) as a draft day trade.

Probably an over pay, but not by much.

(side note- the Bucks could draft Jonathan Jeanne with 36 and keep the theme of ridiculous length going).

[rugbyrugger23]

Trade Jabari Parker not Middleton.

Yeah would take a massive overpay for me to want to part with Mids. Parker well I don't have a lot of faith in that working out but he's a great kid. Wouldn't be against giving him a fresh start.

Fresh start for Parker and Gordon...

To Magic: Parker

To Bucks: #6

To Wolves: Gordon + #17

Magic swap out defense for offense at the 4 spot after drafting their SFOF with their own pick.

Bucks get one of the stud PG's ideal for lineup at 6.

I think Wolves fan will find this easier if Isaac is off board anyway. Thibs doesn't get a rookie to not play and instead Gordon next to Towns. With #17 draft BPA, but probably a defensive SF.

[coolness]

Fresh start for Parker and Gordon...

To Magic: Parker

To Bucks: #6

To Wolves: Gordon + #17

Magic swap out defense for offense at the 4 spot after drafting their SFOF with their own pick.

Bucks get one of the stud PG's ideal for lineup at 6.

I think Wolves fan will find this easier if Isaac is off board anyway. Thibs doesn't get a rookie to not play and instead Gordon next to Towns. With #17 draft BPA, but probably a defensive SF.

I don't think the Bucks give up an above-average starter AND the 17th pick. (injuries yes, but also young with upside) imo, they're more likely to get more than the 6th pick than add to Parker. There will be busts in this draft, so...

[rugbyrugger23]

Fresh start for Parker and Gordon...

To Magic: Parker

To Bucks: #6

To Wolves: Gordon + #17

Magic swap out defense for offense at the 4 spot after drafting their SFOF with their own pick.

Bucks get one of the stud PG's ideal for lineup at 6.

I think Wolves fan will find this easier if Isaac is off board anyway. Thibs doesn't get a rookie to not play and instead Gordon next to Towns. With #17 draft BPA, but probably a defensive SF.

I don't think the Bucks give up an above-average starter AND the 17th pick. (injuries yes, but also young with upside) imo, they're more likely to get more than the 6th pick than add to Parker. There will be busts in this draft, so...

I get not wanting to trade your guy for 6th overall, but to use reasoning of "risk" as why...what is more risky a proven player with 2 knee injuries or the bust-not-bust of a drafted player? Cause in the same breadth I could say #6 rewards you more years of rookie contract and if you assume doesn't fully bust (with upside) wasaaaay less risk vs. Parkers knees.

Just seems odd to use risk.

[coolness]

Fresh start for Parker and Gordon...

To Magic: Parker

To Bucks: #6

To Wolves: Gordon + #17

Magic swap out defense for offense at the 4 spot after drafting their SFOF with their own pick.

Bucks get one of the stud PG's ideal for lineup at 6.

I think Wolves fan will find this easier if Isaac is off board anyway. Thibs doesn't get a rookie to not play and instead Gordon next to Towns. With #17 draft BPA, but probably a defensive SF.

I don't think the Bucks give up an above-average starter AND the 17th pick. (injuries yes, but also young with upside) imo, they're more likely to get more than the 6th pick than add to Parker. There will be busts in this draft, so...

I get not wanting to trade your guy for 6th overall, but to use reasoning of "risk" as why...what is more risky a proven player with 2 knee injuries or the bust-not-bust of a drafted player? Cause in the same breadth I could say #6 rewards you more years of rookie contract and if you assume doesn't fully bust (with upside) wasaaaay less risk vs. Parkers knees.

Just seems odd to use risk.

Definitely, you're right and about the rookie contract too. But most 6th picks won't be at Parker's level. 75% won't to just pull a stat out of my butt. I think that front offices value proven production more than we do on the forums.

[FNQ]

I don't think the Bucks give up an above-average starter AND the 17th pick. (injuries yes, but also young with upside) imo, they're more likely to get more than the 6th pick than add to Parker. There will be busts in this draft, so...

I get not wanting to trade your guy for 6th overall, but to use reasoning of "risk" as why...what is more risky a proven player with 2 knee injuries or the bust-not-bust of a drafted player? Cause in the same breadth I could say #6 rewards you more years of rookie contract and if you assume doesn't fully bust (with upside) wasaaaay less risk vs. Parkers knees.

Just seems odd to use risk.

Definitely, you're right and about the rookie contract too. But most 6th picks won't be at Parker's level. 75% won't to just pull a stat out of my butt. I think that front offices value proven production more than we do on the forums.

If Jonathan Isaac or Jayson Tatum (or both?) were there at 6, would you be interested? I get that Parker was above average when he's healthy, but it's starting to look like that's a coinflip. And we dont know how he will look coming back from this one either.

FWIW, I'd prefer Isaac for the Bucks, as he could switch defensive responsibilities at 3 or 4 with Giannis depending on how they'd like to match up. And if he comes close to his Rashard Lewis comp, he presents another mismatch on a team that seems to be rife with them

Also, not related - I like the idea in your sig. I wish it would play out more like that than the current state of the lotto

[SactownHrtBrks8]

Middleton is that valuable? Last season i doubt people would give up Dunn straight up for him now he is worth, Dunn and the 6th? Minnesota already gave up on him?

[Ron Swanson]

Middleton is that valuable? Last season i doubt people would give up Dunn straight up for him now he is worth, Dunn and the 6th? Minnesota already gave up on him?

Well, the wolves would have easily done just that if the rumors are to be believed. Offer was apparently on the table of #5 overall + Rubio for Middleton before the draft.

[SactownHrtBrks8]

Middleton is that valuable? Last season i doubt people would give up Dunn straight up for him now he is worth, Dunn and the 6th? Minnesota already gave up on him?

Well, the wolves would have easily done just that if the rumors are to be believed. Offer was apparently on the table of #5 overall + Rubio for Middleton before the draft.

I must have been living under a rock. I don't remember those rumors. Maybe I need to watch Middleton.

[FNQ]

Middleton is that valuable? Last season i doubt people would give up Dunn straight up for him now he is worth, Dunn and the 6th? Minnesota already gave up on him?

Well, the wolves would have easily done just that if the rumors are to be believed. Offer was apparently on the table of #5 overall + Rubio for Middleton before the draft.

I must have been living under a rock. I don't remember those rumors. Maybe I need to watch Middleton.

At the end of last year, he was a 24 year old SG coming off a 18-4-4 season on .560 TS% (1.7 spg to boot) who can play 2-4.. He's really good. Until he tore his hamstring in September, anyways. Came back a little rusty to start but proved his health by the end of the season, with nearly identical advanced and per 36 stats as the year before.

I think he's in the conversation for top 5 SG. And his importance is tripled in Milwaukee due to their lack of outside shooting.

[Streakers33]

Well, the wolves would have easily done just that if the rumors are to be believed. Offer was apparently on the table of #5 overall + Rubio for Middleton before the draft.

I must have been living under a rock. I don't remember those rumors. Maybe I need to watch Middleton.

At the end of last year, he was a 24 year old SG coming off a 18-4-4 season on .560 TS% (1.7 spg to boot) who can play 2-4.. He's really good. Until he tore his hamstring in September, anyways. Came back a little rusty to start but proved his health by the end of the season, with nearly identical advanced and per 36 stats as the year before.

I think he's in the conversation for top 5 SG. And his importance is tripled in Milwaukee due to their lack of outside shooting.

Which is why we in minny have been trying for two years to get him, in real life and on realgm.. literally solves a ton of our issues in one swing... so let's get this done!


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[Trader_Joe]

Personally, I love the guy. For me, he checks all the boxes. The only problem will be in two years, when it's time to get paid. I imagine he could draw a max deal offer from somebody, but I find it hard to give out max deals to a guy that won't ever be a star. That said, I would give an awful lot for the guy, and expect that he returns to full form next Fall.

I don't see that as an issue. You are getting great value for two years and then see what happens. Also, what is the average contract length now 3 or 4 years? Most teams aren't trading players year 1 of their deal, if they are, that's a red flag. If they are trading them saying year 2 of a 4 year deal, it's usually at the deadline, so you are down to 2.5 years which seems like the max value vs. length from a non-rookie contract you can expect to get in trade.