[JSports] Source: Blazers Rockets and Knicks are talking 3 team trade that would send Melo to Houston

[giberish]

I'd be shocked if the Cavs wouldn't do Thompson and Shumpert which has to be better than anything Houston could offer no one wants Crabbe

I don't see anyone wanting Thompson either. Non-star centers just don't have value around the league now, and non-star centers on big, long-term contracts are a big problem to move.

It really comes down to whether Thompson or Anderson can be turned into something marginally acceptable for the Knicks so they can get on with their life.

[vxmike]

Someone has to take on salary and that someone is Houston. Portland needs to shed salary and NY will want assets or shedding Noah's deal. Portland wants to clear salary. This is gonna be tough and Portland will need to add picks.

I'm not sure it works.

Wait... why is Portland adding picks?

If the names involved are Leonard, Harkless, Anderson, Anthony... than from my view Harkless is the only true positive value player in the deal, even if he's only a small positive. Anderson is a negative at his contract... he's basically a Crabbe level player with a Crabbe level contract. In the right situation you could argue Anthony is still a positive... but he's viewed by many as neutral at best given his style of play, age, friction with management, and huge contract. Leonard sucks, and his contract isn't great... but he's the lowest paid bad contract here. I'd argue that this deal was probably DOA... probably on Portland's end. I doubt they're moving Harkless in this deal without some sweetener, and the deal probably died on the table, as the Knicks likely won't accept Anderson in return for Melo.

I certainly see Harkless + Leonard + 1st rounder for Anderson as a complete fleecing of Portland... which seems to be what you're suggesting.

Portland will want to shed salary and none of the players they will want to trade have positive contract value. Turner, Crabbe, Leonard all have toxic contracts. They'll need to attach assets to dump these guys. Agree that Portland probably killed this deal. Harkless isn't nearly enough value added to dump the crap deals.

The Cavs and Rockets want Anthony but nobody is giving up assets since they know NY wants out of him and his contract. Houston lacks the right contracts to trade for him directly. I think Frye+Shumpert will end up being the best deal as a salary dump for the Knicks. They should hold out for the Cavs next unprotected pick too though.

[BlazersBroncos]

Ya, I am with Roy on this one. I would do ET for Ryno, bad contract for bad contract. Maybe include Noah Vonleh because I personally don't see PDX resigning him if Ryno was coming over and with both Caleb and Zach able to play PF. But nothing more in terms of picks or Harkless.

[BlazersBroncos]

Portland will want to shed salary and none of the players they will want to trade have positive contract value. Turner, Crabbe, Leonard all have toxic contracts. They'll need to attach assets to dump these guys. Agree that Portland probably killed this deal. Harkless isn't nearly enough value added to dump the crap deals.

Ya but Portland isn't shedding any salary in taking on Ryan Anderson. So this analysis doesn't make sense.

[vxmike]

I'd be shocked if the Cavs wouldn't do Thompson and Shumpert which has to be better than anything Houston could offer no one wants Crabbe

I don't see anyone wanting Thompson either. Non-star centers just don't have value around the league now, and non-star centers on big, long-term contracts are a big problem to move.

It really comes down to whether Thompson or Anderson can be turned into something marginally acceptable for the Knicks so they can get on with their life.

Non star centers who are the most devastating offensive rebounders in the NBA still have value. Thompson's contract isn't really that bad these days. Someone will want Thompson. Heck I think he would be a decent fit next to Porzingis up front.

[gswhoops]

I just don't see it for NY. They're going to take on a longer deal (Crabbe, Anderson, and Turner all have 3 years left to Melo's 2) for a clearly inferior player in order to get...a guy who was just the #26th pick in the draft? A late 1st rounder in 2020? Another bad contract?

If I were the Knicks, I'd rather keep an unhappy Melo than do virtually any of the deals proposed here.

I think getting a smaller bad contract on a young player, a fine contract for a fine young-ish player in Harkless, and a first is enough to just hit the restart button for the knicks. This melo thing has become a toxic situation for them, though maybe that changes with Phil out

It strikes me more as swapping a wrinkled dollar for three dimes. You know Melo is going to be sought after - if you don't find the right deal for him now, trade him at the deadline, or next offseason. At least you ought to be able to find someone that's going to give you substantial cap relief if nothing else.

[Roy The Natural]

Someone has to take on salary and that someone is Houston. Portland needs to shed salary and NY will want assets or shedding Noah's deal. Portland wants to clear salary. This is gonna be tough and Portland will need to add picks.

I'm not sure it works.

Wait... why is Portland adding picks?

If the names involved are Leonard, Harkless, Anderson, Anthony... than from my view Harkless is the only true positive value player in the deal, even if he's only a small positive. Anderson is a negative at his contract... he's basically a Crabbe level player with a Crabbe level contract. In the right situation you could argue Anthony is still a positive... but he's viewed by many as neutral at best given his style of play, age, friction with management, and huge contract. Leonard sucks, and his contract isn't great... but he's the lowest paid bad contract here. I'd argue that this deal was probably DOA... probably on Portland's end. I doubt they're moving Harkless in this deal without some sweetener, and the deal probably died on the table, as the Knicks likely won't accept Anderson in return for Melo.

I certainly see Harkless + Leonard + 1st rounder for Anderson as a complete fleecing of Portland... which seems to be what you're suggesting.

Portland will want to shed salary and none of the players they will want to trade have positive contract value. Turner, Crabbe, Leonard all have toxic contracts. They'll need to attach assets to dump these guys. Agree that Portland probably killed this deal. Harkless isn't nearly enough value added to dump the crap deals.

The Cavs and Rockets want Anthony but nobody is giving up assets since they know NY wants out of him and his contract. Houston lacks the right contracts to trade for him directly. I think Frye+Shumpert will end up being the best deal as a salary dump for the Knicks. They should hold out for the Cavs next unprotected pick too though.

The problem is... Anderson is a crap deal as well. I'd agree that Portland has bad, hard to move deals. But the names that were listed as involved necessitate that Portland BETTER NOT be sending out picks. I'd agree with you that Portland needs to send picks as well if what they're getting back is positive value. That's not what's been noted in the rumors though. Maybe we were just on different pages regarding who's involved though.

I'd personally be very hesitant to trade Crabbe for Anderson straight up... I think they're similar value as players, and I think Crabbe has fairly significant room to grow... and Anderson, is who he is. The jig is up on Anderson's defense, it's an abomination at a very difficult position to hide, and hasn't gotten any better.... and his offense has been streaky and inconsistent for years now. I'm not involving any positive assets in a deal for Anderson... let alone adding 1st rounders on top of positive value like Harkless.

[vxmike]

Wait... why is Portland adding picks?

If the names involved are Leonard, Harkless, Anderson, Anthony... than from my view Harkless is the only true positive value player in the deal, even if he's only a small positive. Anderson is a negative at his contract... he's basically a Crabbe level player with a Crabbe level contract. In the right situation you could argue Anthony is still a positive... but he's viewed by many as neutral at best given his style of play, age, friction with management, and huge contract. Leonard sucks, and his contract isn't great... but he's the lowest paid bad contract here. I'd argue that this deal was probably DOA... probably on Portland's end. I doubt they're moving Harkless in this deal without some sweetener, and the deal probably died on the table, as the Knicks likely won't accept Anderson in return for Melo.

I certainly see Harkless + Leonard + 1st rounder for Anderson as a complete fleecing of Portland... which seems to be what you're suggesting.

Portland will want to shed salary and none of the players they will want to trade have positive contract value. Turner, Crabbe, Leonard all have toxic contracts. They'll need to attach assets to dump these guys. Agree that Portland probably killed this deal. Harkless isn't nearly enough value added to dump the crap deals.

The Cavs and Rockets want Anthony but nobody is giving up assets since they know NY wants out of him and his contract. Houston lacks the right contracts to trade for him directly. I think Frye+Shumpert will end up being the best deal as a salary dump for the Knicks. They should hold out for the Cavs next unprotected pick too though.

The problem is... Anderson is a crap deal as well. I'd agree that Portland has bad, hard to move deals. But the names that were listed as involved necessitate that Portland BETTER NOT be sending out picks. I'd agree with you that Portland needs to send picks as well if what they're getting back is positive value. That's not what's been noted in the rumors though. Maybe we were just on different pages regarding who's involved though.

I'd personally be very hesitant to trade Crabbe for Anderson straight up... I think they're similar value as players, and I think Crabbe has fairly significant room to grow... and Anderson, is who he is. The jig is up on Anderson's defense, it's an abomination at a very difficult position to hide, and hasn't gotten any better.... and his offense has been streaky and inconsistent for years now. I'm not involving any positive assets in a deal for Anderson... let alone adding 1st rounders on top of positive value like Harkless.

Yeah I don't see a trade that works for Portland here. They just need to use a 1st and dump an objectively bad contract on one of the tanking teams with excess cap space. PHX, CHI or maybe BKN if they miss out on RFAs are the likely trade partners here.

[NatiboyB]

And as usual the Cavs do nothing.

[vxmike]

And as usual the Cavs do nothing.

The Cavs have literally NOTHING of value to trade. I doubt they want to give up Love for Melo.

[rugbyrugger23]

And as usual the Cavs do nothing.

The Cavs have literally NOTHING of value to trade. I doubt they want to give up Love for Melo.

They should do Love for Favors + Hood. Jazz can pair Love with Rubio and shooting next to Crowder.

Cavs can play Favors and TT next to LBJ. Or get a third team who has a win-now player LBJ wants.

[CBA]

Last year's contracts are still unbelievable to me. $46 million given to Crabbe, Turner and Leonard this year - by the same team. It's maddening.

[Mayhem]

Quick question: Which players have non-guaranteed contracts on the Rockets that are being used for trades?

They supposedly total around 10m but I only count 5m.

The ones I know of are:
Ryan Kelly
Shawn Long
Tim Quarterman
Isaiah Taylor

Who am I missing?

[K_chile22]

Quick question: Which players have non-guaranteed contracts on the Rockets that are being used for trades?

They supposedly total around 10m but I only count 5m.

The ones I know of are:
Ryan Kelly
Shawn Long
Tim Quarterman
Isaiah Taylor

Who am I missing?

175% of that plus 100k is what they can return in a trade, which is over 9 million

[Wizenheimer]

LOL at Knick fan(s) trying to slip Noah into this deal. People used to get hung for selling rusty muskets

[JasonStern]

odd trade proposal. Harkless+Leonard for Anderson is solid value-wise for Portland, but doesn't really help their cap space situation.

also seems like conversations could have happened. Olshey has worked with Morey before, and most of his recent deals seem to be with familiar GMs.

oh well. if there ever were any legs, the trade is leaked so it's probably dead.

I disagree here... Anderson's year last year was comparable to Crabbes... he's getting paid more as well. If Crabbe's an issue to trade, Anderson isn't far behind.

It seems to me like Harkless is the only name in this whole trade who's truly a wanted asset. The rest are guys that everyone scoffs at for their pricetags. If anything, I'd imagine that if Harklee is moving out, Portland's getting a 1st rounder back in one of these deals. Anderson has been up and down offensively for the last 3 years, he's a good shooter... but he's an abomination on defense, and wildly overpaid for what he brings. He'd also be close to unplayable if Portland wanted to play a smidgen of defense with their guards on the floor.

I think Portland needs sweetener here, and I don't see how Anderson holds a smidgen of the positive value that people here think he does.

oh, I'm not saying that I would do the trade. in fact, I literally called the trade idea odd. but I don't think the trade value itself is that far off. maybe I'm just higher on players like Crabbe and Anderson that can do one thing - even if only one thing - well. or maybe I'm just lower on Leonard and his $31.8 million owed for a 5ppg/3rpg 8.9 PER player that seems to do nothing well. but Harkless' positive value + Leonard's massively negative value seems roughly equivalent to Anderson's slightly negative value, maybe with a 2nd round pick thrown in.

but again, the whole trade makes little sense for Portland. Nurkić and Davis should be healthy, Vonleh started looking like a capable player towards the end of the season, and they just drafted 2 bigs. why trade a wing for another big? especially when the Blazers are weak defensively, Harkless is one of their better defenders, and Anderson does nothing to address this. plus there's the whole salary cap situation. Nurkić and Vonleh are due for extensions after this season, and the Blazers are well into the luxury tax. this trade fails to reduce Portland's salary obligations. so why trade two smaller, easier to move contracts for one larger, harder to move contract?

Turner makes a lot more sense in that at least the Blazers know he doesn't fit with Stotts' system, so why not take a gamble on Anderson? but I can't see why the Knicks would want Turner.

[Ballerhogger]

Don't see the move happening at all still. If he does happen the blazers need move one of their huge contracts.