Woj and Shams: Chris Paul to Phoenix

[Texas Chuck]

That pick is irrelevant. Two years from now if the suns are still in the lottery, they’ll have bigger problems than not having a pick. Furthermore, LeQ is a project, Jerome will be in Europe for his next deal, and Oubre lost his starting job.

Try to use some better analogies, please.

Really? That's where you're going with this? What other words are we not allowed to use for your feelings sake?

As for the deal. Solid W for both teams IMO

LEt me be crystal clear to everyone --- we are not using rape analogies on this board. And you need to check yourself if you think its appropriate on any level.

[LloydFree]

I thought McDonough got fired. This is ridiculous. Why in the world are the Sun's the team that is adding the pick?




So much for all of the idiots who said Chris Paul was the worst contract in the NBA last off-season.

[cjmcallist]

Bradley Beal for Presti....who says no

OKC says no.

[Buzzard]

I'm just thinking back to the dozens of threads last year where OKC was throwing in multiple picks to get teams to take on Chris Paul.

It did take Presti a year to move him but his patience payed off. I think when the trade first went down for CP3, 75% of the board thought he would be moved by the 2019/20 deadline for a lot of cap space.

[VCfor3]

I like the direction of the trade for both teams, but feel the Suns paid too much. Maybe replacing the 1st with a 2nd would have me feeling better but oh well.

[jscott]

Try to use some better analogies, please.

Really? That's where you're going with this? What other words are we not allowed to use for your feelings sake?

As for the deal. Solid W for both teams IMO

LEt me be crystal clear to everyone --- we are not using rape analogies on this board. And you need to check yourself if you think its appropriate on any level.

Thank you. Agreed 100%.

[Texas Chuck]

I'm just thinking back to the dozens of threads last year where OKC was throwing in multiple picks to get teams to take on Chris Paul.

not all of us buddy.

[Spin Move]

Phx grossly overpaid.

Disagree, Oubre was expiring and they did not want to extend him, not a lot of value to the suns limited value to other teams. Rubio's lack of consistent 3 point shooting was not a great fit with Ayton though his defense was certainly helpful in improving but he was not a great contract for his contribution. Ty Jerome and Leque or not high level prospects and phoenix should bb good so its should be a late 1st. They kept #1 and their good young players.

To Phoenix making the playoffs if huge for keeping Devin Booker happy, defenitly think next season the team is better for this trade, neither Rubio or Oubre or a late 22 1st were going to likley be important cogs long term. I think the value is right given the contract sitatutions of Oubre and Rubio.

[MoneyTalks41890]

I'm obviously really happy about OKC's end here, but setting aside whether the value was bad, good, or just right for PHX, Chris Paul is going to dramatically change the fortunes of the Suns if he's healthy. And even if he's not out there all the time, Booker is going to get a lot better, which is somewhat scary.

[patman66]

well my premise that Paul will not get along with another established star will be put to the test soon enough, Paul's or Booker's team to be decided soon enough. I think phx overpaid, but if it works out bless them.

[zimpy27]

I think Suns paid too much because they could pay too much, which isn't great.
Instead of trading Oubre thinking that they wouldn't keep him, they should have traded Oubre thinking that they would've kept him.

[Texas Chuck]

I'm obviously really happy about OKC's end here, but setting aside whether the value was bad, good, or just right for PHX, Chris Paul is going to dramatically change the fortunes of the Suns if he's healthy.

Here is what I think this board loses sight of at times --- there just aren't enough players of Paul's caliber available. So getting one is almost always a positive. In this deal the player loss is nothing and yeah there is some risk with those specific protections on the pick, but you are getting a guy who was really great last year and played every night.

We are right to look at contracts and age and injury risk and all of that. But not ahead of what is the most valuable and hard to obtain thing in the Association -- star impact.

Get a star. You pretty much win.

[FutureKnicksGM]

What steal by OKC, squeezing a pick out of PHX, when they were already getting fairly value contract filler.

[MoneyTalks41890]

If PHX is able to effectively use their cap space and OKC cooperates (which, I don't see why they wouldn't) on that piece, then we may need to evaluate this is the context of adding an 18m player in FA as well, which is smart GMing.

[the_process]

This is a terrible overpay. I’m not convinced the Suns even make the playoffs either of the next 2 years, and that pick could easily end conveying as a lottery pick. And to add insult to injury CP3 is 36, injury prone, and owed 86M the next two years!

I mean, I gueeeeessssss if it keeps Booker happy and in town it’s worth it??

[loserX]

If PHX is able to effectively use their cap space and OKC cooperates (which, I don't see why they wouldn't) on that piece, then we may need to evaluate this is the context of adding an 18m player in FA as well, which is smart GMing.

It would be pretty hilarious if the Suns wanted to preserve that capspace to sign Gallinari and the Thunder jerked them around and said "no" so they could S&T him elsewhere

[HartfordWhalers]

If PHX is able to effectively use their cap space and OKC cooperates (which, I don't see why they wouldn't) on that piece, then we may need to evaluate this is the context of adding an 18m player in FA as well, which is smart GMing.

It would be pretty hilarious if the Suns wanted to preserve that capspace to sign Gallinari and the Thunder jerked them around and said "no" so they could S&T him elsewhere

Suns can have 18m in cap space. Or Saric, Baynes and the MLE (what fits of it). I would stay an over the cap team and use those cap holds personally.

[penbeast0]

Presti is a wizard.

Nah, as a longtime Washington fan, the last time I was excited about a Washington trade in a good way was when they traded Jeff Malone (who I loved but who was not a needle mover) for Pervis Ellison (who never got healthy but that was the downside risk and it could have worked out).

Seriously, calling an NBA figure a wizard is NOT a compliment.

[Texas Chuck]

If PHX is able to effectively use their cap space and OKC cooperates (which, I don't see why they wouldn't) on that piece, then we may need to evaluate this is the context of adding an 18m player in FA as well, which is smart GMing.

It would be pretty hilarious if the Suns wanted to preserve that capspace to sign Gallinari and the Thunder jerked them around and said "no" so they could S&T him elsewhere

Suns can have 18m in cap space. Or Saric, Baynes and the MLE (what fits of it). I would stay an over the cap team and use those cap holds personally.

I think I'd trade Saric, Baynes, and anyone I could realistically sign for the MLE for Gallo and a taxpayer MLE signing. Especially since I think Saric showed the best way to use him is at backup center so not sure I want to bring back both he and Baynes anyway.

[kobe_vs_jordan]

Thinks overpay with the pick, Think a team like the suns should have made the move when he was on the block last season. Would like it better for Suns pending the follow up moves they make.